Not really a difference. Just emphasis on she/they. Like this.
- No emphasis: She (Ze) is pregnant.
- Emphasis: She (Zij) is pregnant. I am not!
Alexis, are you hearing a difference between the two. I am thinking that zij has a slightly longer pronunciation. How do you distinguish which the computer is using?
The "ij" pronunciations sound more like "ay" as in day for me. The "e" endings sound shorter...maybe more like an "oo" sound, but shorter. I really haven't gotten too many sentences with the "e" endings, so it's pretty safe to say that any pronunciations you hear will be Hij, Zij, or Wij. :)
Indeed, de ij in zij sounds roughly like ay in day, but not exactly, Dutch people will think you say zee (sea) if you do that. The e in ze sounds exactly like the u in luck and is indeed shorter.
I'll trust you're a native speaker, and believe what you say, but I wish that the people who made the Dutch course said more about pronunciation. :/
The use of "Zij" in this example is not according to that rule. Is this made by a non-native speaker?
Native speaker here. Zij in the sentence is correct, it has emphasis. Alex simply explains the difference between emphasis and no emphasis, in English that is done with the same word (she) in Dutch we have a word for emphasis (zij) and one for when there is no emphasis (ze).
I'm actually replying to your latest comment below. OK, I haven't been using those tips so much yet. Thanks! Your example of You and they makes even more sense to me in comparison with German. I studied that for years back in high school with my German mom (not to discount my polyglot Brazilian Dad!) as my "template", so I actually have a great affinity for languages in general, but German (and Portuguese/Spanish) in particular. I'd put that on my personal icon, but SocioEco stuff is a priority concern of mine! Anyway, in German, Sie, sie, and sie, wow, three similar forms, and You and they are only distinguishable in writing by the capital letter! Fascinating. So Jij drinkt melk indicates that YOU are drinking (not someone else).
Yes that's it.
(Sie actually has 4 forms, the capitalised Sie can be the singular or the plural polite form, and don't forget about ihr which also just has too many different meanings…)
That's helpful. DL is throwing an unusual feature early on without making the essential nature of it clear. It's like Dungeons and Dragons for linguists! It also occurs to me that no one has mentioned any other gender. Don't tell me this pronoun differentiation only applies to the female?!
It is explained in the tips and notes, if you select Basics 1 in the tree, you get to the page where you can select the lessons, scroll down from there. I find these tips and notes for the various skills/lessons very useful.
You can see there, there are 4 such cases: - you (singular) - jij (emphasised), je (un-emphasised) - she - zij (emphasised), ze (un-emphasised) - we - wij (emphasised), we (un-emphasised) - they - zij (emphasised), ze (un-emphasised)
As you can see they and she are identical in Dutch (similar to the English you), you can distinguish them by the verb conjugation, e.g.:
- Ze is groot. > She is big.
- Ze zijn groot. > They are big.
Later on you will see that other forms of they and she, like theirs and hers are not the same.
You said it. Right, Sie is one crazy word. As for ihr, I just learned that deren can be used with the same meaning for their, I believe it is.
Why do you say that? I just added context to help the original poster? It makes sense in daily life. I often say: "No, you", but don't tag anything else onto it.
Sorry, this is lesson two, and I have NO background in Dutch. My German is NOT helping my imagination in this question. I find this to be an unusual and distinctive feature of Dutch. Your and Susande's subsequent comments complete the necessary features of the point you originally made. Thanks, guys! Good work!
Come to think of it, in German too I just learned an additional unusual possessive form that was not introduced very didactically. DL is a bit of a jungle for us linguists!
What's the difference in pronunciation between "jij" and "zij"? they both sound exactly the same for me and I can't manage to tell the difference when either are being pronounced.
I still need to work out she and they on here I keep loosing hearts on it :/
- zij drinkt = she drinks
- zij drinken = they drink
- zij loopt = she walks
- zij lopen = they walk
So if the verb ends on -en it's they (if I'm not mistaken this works for all tenses), if it ends on -t it's she (works for present tense, in other tenses for the vast majority).
a typographical error... Something that happens when you press a letter in your keyboard instead of another one.
I would leave out "de", nobody says she drinks "the" milk. This counts the same for Dutch. People would just say she drinks milk. Unless it is specifically pointing out a special milk as in she drinks the special goat milk with extra magic otherwise no article needed in UK or NL. Just my opinion.