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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Geimle

Irrelevant Popup Help

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I don't know how sophisticated Duo algorithms would have to be to fix this problem, but I find it only piles one frustration on another to have a little pop up advice slide show up after an error that is in no way related to why I got the last thing wrong. It's like being told to dry the dishes before putting them in the cupboard after you've crashed the car into a tree. It's gotten to the point where I don't even read them. I just click an answer randomly and move on.

April 28, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Atervanda

I agree they're often completely irrelevant. And what I find puzzling is that machine learning is used to present you with these 'smart' Tips, but there's no way to provide any feedback. So how exactly is this machine supposed to learn that it presented me with a tip that has nothing to do with the mistake I made?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/angus390025

When they introduced the "motivational" messages everyone complained. I found a violentmonkey script written by FieryCat and downloaded it to stop the messages. Eventually, after about a year of complaining, duolingo offered a switch in the configuration page that allows us to turn those off.

Maybe if we complain enough about the popup "help" messages duolingo will offer a way to opt out of those as well. I agree that they are distracting and in no way helpful. There may be a script for that. You have inspired me to search for one. If I weren't so lazy I'd write one myself.

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It's like being told to dry the dishes before putting them in the cupboard after you've crashed the car into a tree.

Almost forgot. That's worth a lingot. Well said.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Atervanda

Are you sure the switch was provided in response to your complaining? It had existed in the app for a long time and was bound to be added to the web version eventually.

I personally don't want to get rid of smart Tips at all. I just want them to be relevant.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/angus390025

Are you sure the switch was provided in response to your complaining?

Absolutely not. In fact, I don't think I ever made a thread about it. I am reasonably convinced, however, that the option came about due to the complaining.

I have not yet found any of the tips that I like. So far, they have fallen into one of two categories: (1) After I stared at my wrong answer for a few seconds and figured out what I did wrong the next thing I get is a little tip distracting my rhythm explaining what I have already figured out or (2) more commonly, after I have spent a few seconds figuring out what I got wrong, the next thing I get is a little tip explaining something totally unrelated to my error.

I'd certainly like to have the option to turn them off and I know I'm not the only one. Fortunately, most of languages don't seem to have them. I've been working on Arabic for the past couple of days and I don't think I have ever seen the pop up tips in that course. Last week, I worked on Catalan all week--got my tree golden, yay!--and I don't think I ever saw one in that course either. I can only remember seeing them in French from English and in Spanish from English. (I suspect German and Portuguese from English have them as well but I haven't used those in a long time, not since the pop up tips were invented.)

By the way, I searched and didn't yet find a script for it. I use several excellent duolingo scripts but I'm not really such an experienced hacker so I haven't written any yet. I guess I could probably delete the "motivational owl" blocker now that we have the option to turn it off.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/No3dig

They can be annoying sometimes

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