https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzOprofesor

Flashcard review issue (spanish)

So I am enjoying having the flashcard option integrated into the site (it would be cool integrated into the app too, but you can do it in Safari/browser non the less).

However, it is giving a me the wrong answer for flashcards. Often turning nouns into verbs.

Like botas, from objects, is supposed to be boots. It told me "(you) launch"

invierno is (I) winter Larga is (she) lets out Sala is (he/she/it) salts Calles is (you) be quiet

I know these as winter, large (f), living room, streets.

July 25, 2014

22 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

Same problem in Italian; I have reported some of the most obvious through the support tab and have had a response that they are looking into it. Might be worth you doing the same!

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzOprofesor

Grazie!

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Fargbast

Agreed. The flashcard bit was launched WAY before it was ready or even tested.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

Most answers are not incorrect. The only problem is that they are showing these words without context. For example, sala can mean salt, if used as agua sala (salt water).

In Portuguese for example, the word "são" generally means "are", but it can also mean "sane" as in not crazy, or SADIO, SAUDÁVEL ("são", in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], 2008-2013, http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/s%C3%A3o [consultado em 25-07-2014]).

I also got that word in the Portuguese flashcards. They should either add a disclaimer indicating that these are alternative translations, or teach them. Realistically speaking though, no language course will cover all definitions in a dictionary. So I don't really see them as a big problem since you don't lose points, and you still expand your vocabulary.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

Well I'd still like to know about 'morta' =' dead hedge' in Italian! Cannot find that iny any dictionary. More worryingly I have had words like 'sia' come up as a conjunction on the flashcards answer, but then in my word list it says I have strengthened it as a subjunctive verb. It is not all correct, although I think the concept is great.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

I'm not sure about "morta" perhaps a L1 speaker can help you with that. But sia can also definitely be a conjunction.

Edit: I think "dead hedge " is incorrect and should be reported. See dead hedge

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

I'm well aware it is a conjunction, and that was the meaning on the card: my issue is that when I completed the set and looked at my word list it said I had just strengthened sia as a subjunctive verb, which I had not. That is why I am saying it is not always correct.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

Now you understand why the word list (vocabulary) was originally removed. People expect too much from it. A word can be many things (an adjective, a noun, and a verb) simultaneously. Tracking the word list for minute changes like this is not what it is meant for.

Besides, it is only indicating where it was taught, not necessarily what it is, e.g. feira is listed in Dates and Time, but to L1 Portuguese speakers feira is commonly known as "market" if there's no more context. Sometimes a word may actually be taught under many skills too, e.g. massa = mass (science), spaghetti (food).

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

I take your point with the examples you have given, and I could give you many in Italian too; my point here is that 'sia' as a conjunction is very different to 'sia' as the third person subjunctive of essere the verb. I do not think the word list should suggest I have strengthened the latter when the card was showing the former.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

@lindaljc

I take your point with the examples you have given, and I could give you many in Italian too; my point here is that 'sia' as a conjunction is very different to 'sia' as the third person subjunctive of essere the verb. I do not think the word list should suggest I have strengthened the latter when the card was showing the former.

Well, unfortunately, your mind doesn't work the way you believe. Seeing a word, regardless of its context will trigger many different memories. When you saw it, you may have immediately thought of two or more alternatives, and even if you didn't, you've seen the word, which strengthened your memory of the word, regardless of its meaning.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

I did indeed think of both options; it would just be really good if the flashcards gave alternative answers, and ideally, the option to say 'I was right' to one or more and therefore strengthen both meanings at one go! I say this as one with pages and pages of overdue words!!

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

Thanks, already did that!

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzOprofesor

I see what you are saying but it is 100% incorrect/wrong to say the definition for the object botas is you launch. I have not been introduced to botas as a verb. For some I know I know, and could say I got it right anyways. But it's a real pain when I know it's showing me something I've never learned, but I also can't remember what the noun is supposed to be. Again, I like the flashcard idea. But I think it needs help.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

You are right! I agree some nouns could also be translated as verbs, so surely it would be better if the flashcards answers had both options? That would confirm what we already know and teach something new at the same time. Win, win !!

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

It didn't say anywhere that the word was an object. Unless you have a different version of the flashcards which indicates it. To me it only shows a word and its "possible" translation. I do however agree that it needs improvements which they are already making, e.g. they've already added a language icon to each word.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzOprofesor

Why doesn't it test me on "fuiste"? Because it hasn't taught me it yet. There is no doubt that it is trying to test the words I've been taught, that is why it's only pulling words that I've learned. No where is my mid do I think Duolingo is purposely seeking to test us on alternate definitions while ignore the meanings we've been taught and want to review so we can continue to practice them in our tree. I understand the technicalities you are bringing forward but I feel like it is over justifying something that just needs to be fixed. I don't think it's a hard fix and I can be patient but I want them to know about it and fix it when they can.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

Most of these words are shown when you peek. If you didn't learn them at that time then that's another problem altogether. Also Duolingo generally puts the right answer on top (when peeking), and that is what it seems to be testing with the flashcards.

You can only fix what is broken, for now it is a design feature rather than a design flaw. That is until Duolingo says otherwise, of course.

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/lindaljc

Well I have had a response from the team to my reports and they are working on it, which rather suggests they know there is indeed a problem!

July 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/SorceressQuistis

Where is this flashcard feature? Do all the available languages have it?

July 26, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzOprofesor

Not sure. I have it for spanish. It is located on the top navigation bar, it says "Words". In between Home and Activity.

July 26, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/SorceressQuistis

Thanks for answering! Hm, I don't have it for Spanish (or German for that matter). Odd.

July 26, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/JadeSteffe1

I reported this issue (used "botas" as the example) and received a rather canned response instructing me to update my flash (maybe as "flash" was in the title of the request?). I hope they look into this issue soon, as it is potentially detrimental to one's progress. Mine seems about 95% accurate - still OK to use but quite off-putting.

January 15, 2015
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