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https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian

Just completed the Dutch tree!

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Thanks to Lavinae, KaiEngle, Rhynn, kirlll, and MrsKwakker for all they've done for the course. Now I can go to Amsterdam with substantial experience in Dutch. Well, substantial for an American, anyways.

A few comments about the course:

  1. I was impressed by how thorough the course was. Clearly you five were very committed to giving us the full Dutch experience. Kudos.

  2. There were a lot of mistakes, though. Some happened to be the difference between passing and failing a level. Also, I must have gotten at least 30 emails a day saying my alternate translation had been accepted. But I guess that's why they beta-test it.

  3. Really liked the culture section at the end. The Netherlands was the one part of Europe I never really learned that much about in school (probably because they never get involved in any wars). But now I'm really looking forward to experiencing Dutch culture firsthand.

  4. I especially liked the food section, but I noticed one glaring omission: the best Dutch drunk food, bitterballen en mosterdsaus!

  5. I still can't pronounce the Dutch 'g' or 'sch'. And when I try to, I inevitably end up getting a sore throat. Clearly I need speech therapy. That's why you don't smoke, kids.

  6. Being a native English speaker and B1 in German, I was incredibly lucky to have completed the course so quickly. If I didn't have that German background, I'd be killing myself over the grammar and syntax. At least there's no cases in Dutch.

  7. Owing to my (even stronger) French background, I would often mistakenly translate 'je' as 'I'. Must have made that mistake at least a dozen times.

  8. On that note, I find the concept of strong versus weak pronouns incredibly annoying and arbitrary. Same with 'de' and 'het'.

  9. Much as I'm looking forward to Amsterdam, I'm tempted to make a side trip to the Wadden Islands just to see those seals.

  10. Bring on Irish and Danish!

4 years ago

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Congratulations! I'm still working my way down slowly but surely!

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https://www.duolingo.com/sojinjung
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Totally concurring on 7. Eight years of French will do that to you ;)

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https://www.duolingo.com/azureskye
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Great job completing the tree so quickly!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
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Congrats! I'm still just at the beginning of the tree! Have 5 lingots!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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Giving those 5 back, I already earned hundreds just from completing the Dutch course

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
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Oh, I see... thanks then ;) (I obviously needed my precious 5 lingots back ;) It's really unfortunate how useless lingots are these days...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azureskye
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Wouldn't giving XP be cool? I mean it takes the learning out of learning...but still. ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
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It would be cool... I have a lot of excess XP in French, I think I should be on level 27, but at the same time it helps me maintain first place in the all-time leaderboard :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Allopathie

Use the lingots for quizzes. Take a quiz a day; when you run out, redo Basics 1.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jeanette525

Congrats! Dat is goed! (And that's how far I am on the Dutch tree so far, lol).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexisLinguist
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Congratulations! I would say that in Dutch, but the spelling is killing me right now. Thanks for the rundown! I'll add the Dutch trophy to your trophy line tomorrow. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/athanais

Gefeliciteerd! ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Congratulations, that is amazingly fast!

I really recommend visiting the Wadden Islands, especially in the summer. Vlieland is my personal favorite, it's absolutely gorgeous.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/le-lapin-noir
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Wow that was fast. Did you complete the Dutch to English course beforehand?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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No, I tried doing that but I couldn't get past the first tier. It got so much easier once you threw text-to-speech, notes, and dictionary hints into the mix.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/makiminami
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Wow! Amazing, I'm barely a level 6 on Possessives, Adjectives Basic, and Clothing. You make me even more motivated to finish my Dutch tree!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dallontrash
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That's about where I am on my tree, haha.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikertnemw

Congrats man, I see you are a Notre Dame fan by your username. go Irish!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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Yes! Finally someone got that reference! Though I did once have somebody write in Armenian on my profile, lol

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Whle_
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Congratulations, in such a short amount of time too! I'm just up to Indefinite Pronouns, but I started a week into the 'beta' phase and my style is basically complete a level, and then practice it over and over, and then strengthen all my skills since I'm so scared of forgetting! Well, a big well done to you, and I hope you LOVE Amsterdam. I personally loved it when I went, be sure to try the Stoopwaffels and chips/french fries with mayonnaise. Lingot to you, my friend! C:

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SDPhil
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We are actually on the same skill. I should be like you and review because I'm forgetting words after a few days.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Whle_
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Yeah, especially starting out a language it is hard to remember, but I suppose it must come more natural later on.

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https://www.duolingo.com/SDPhil
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Yeah, I agree. The orthography is really difficult to me, especially since I've only studied Romance languages.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stephenbal4
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I love the attitude toward Irish and Danish!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PopTartTastic

Wow! That was fast. I'm still on level 5. :P I've been to Amsterdam, and it's a beautiful place. I'd recommend taking a ferry around, and visit some art museums (I went to Rijksmuseum and the van Gogh museum.) and just walking or cycling around. There are tons of little shops out there. No trip to Amsterdam is complete without buying cheese though, so you ought to get some. I wish I lived in a Dutch cheese shop...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stwel
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Congratulations, that's really fast! And this probably makes you the first to complete all current 6 languages for English speakers?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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Doubt it. I feel like there's got to be somebody out there under the radar who finished within a week.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stwel
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I'm sure you're not the first who completed Dutch, but I'm sure there are not too many people who completed all the other languages, so I think there's a pretty good chance that you're the first to complete all six. Anyway, well done and good luck with the languages to come :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stephenbal4
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He also may be the first non-Dutchman to finish it.

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https://www.duolingo.com/marzman
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Gefeliciteerd araparseghian. Goed gedaan, erg snel ook voor een Amerikaan.

You should be able to translate that now :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TimoHeddes

Also for an American? What do you mean to say with that? Genuinely wondering.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marzman
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The group here is 'erg snel ook' and not 'ook voor een Amerikaan' what could be an insult (and it's not, 'erg snel ook' is a compliment)

I don't think a lot of people speak the Germanic languages over there. And I have not finished the tree yet and I am dutch. So therefor the 'voor een Amerikaan'.

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https://www.duolingo.com/stwel
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:-) One can understand the confusion. By the way, a lot of Americans speak at least one Germanic language, seeing English is one :-)

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https://www.duolingo.com/marzman
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It is indeed part of it, i never realised that.

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https://www.duolingo.com/TimoHeddes

"I find the concept of strong versus weak pronouns incredibly annoying and arbitrary. Same with 'de' and 'het'."

As a Dutch person I full-heartedly agree. I have people around me trying to learn Dutch and I've come to find that Dutch grammer is impossible to explain with logic.

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https://www.duolingo.com/dallontrash
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Congratulations, araparseghian!

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https://www.duolingo.com/SuzanElise
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Please, go outside Amsterdam if you have the time too (and after you visited the highlights ;)). Amsterdam is beautiful, but the Netherlands are so much more than that! Visit het Groene Hart if you can, lots of pretty nature to discover (hire a bike if possible), the Wadden are great too. Maybe you can try 'wadlopen', mudflat hiking to see the seals (or go on a boat trip), just make sure to bring a pair of rubber boots :) And, of course: Gefeliciteerd on finishing the tree!

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https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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What do you recommend in Rotterdam? I can't see everything due to time constraints and the desire to see other countries, but Amsterdam and Rotterdam are definite.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marzman
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I would skip Rotterdam and go for some place else. Utrecht or The Hague maybe (in that order). Rotterdam has the harbour but further no history because it was destroyed in WWII.

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Getting flattened in a war isn't a history?

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https://www.duolingo.com/marzman
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I mean no historical buildings or places.

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https://www.duolingo.com/SuzanElise
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Sounds like a good combination of the 'old' and the 'new' Netherlands. Rotterdam (as marzman said) was bombed in WWII and therefore has a lot of modern architecture. Recommendations for Rotterdam: de Euromast, de Erasmusbrug, the cube houses, de Kunsthal, het Maritiem museum, boekhandel Donner (not a very interesting building, but it is a huge book store), de Sint Laurenskerk (never visited it, but sounds interesting), the SS Rotterdam (a cruise ship of the Holland-America Line that can now be visited, completely restored in his former state and you can take tours). I've probably missed a few highlights, but I only ever go to Rotterdam for the childrens' hospital. My favourite city in the Netherlands is Maastricht, but is in the far south and quite a long drive from de Randstad.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991
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I can relate with the "je." The Norwegian word for "I" is "jeg," which sounds just like the Dutch "jij," meaning "you." This has cost me many hearts.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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Very interesting to hear this..............exactly how similar are the Nordic languages to German and Dutch? Anything I should watch out for?

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https://www.duolingo.com/blizzard-spider

They are really similar in that it's easy to see a lot of the words have the same roots, but not quite similar enough that you could always just guess the meaning if you know only dutch/german. Knowing english helps too btw! The verbs are easy because they don't need to be conjugated based on the pronoun. There are also various false friends to look out for, as with any language, like 'bil' meaning 'buttcheek' in dutch and car in danish. Or 'fart' meaning speed- hehehe (sorry, this is my 5-year old brain speaking).

Some grammer concepts are different though- like in some cases you add 'the' to the end of a noun (i.e.- mand=man, manden= the man), which you don't have in german/dutch/english. So to conclude, the vocabulary will be recognisable but not always guessable, and there are some grammatical differences as with most different languages. (Interesting to note is that danish has a similar sentence structure and counting system as dutch, but other scandinavian languages may differ in this.)

4 years ago

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All non-English Germanic languages I've studied have "e"s in adjectives that follow the definite article: das weiße Haus, het wite huis, det hvite hus(et), etc.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Physiker729
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I had this problem too! But from a Swedish learner's perspective, so it's maybe less forgivable, since "jag" doesn't even really sound that much like "jij".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/blizzard-spider

I'm dutch learning danish and I initially had the same (jij vs. jeg) problem :) But you'll get used to it quickly, especially if you see it used often.

4 years ago

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Congratulations! Impressive! I am looking forward to jump on that boat in a while xD At first I Thought you were a native..

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdrianJosh
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like the three was out in 2 weeks how was that?

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https://www.duolingo.com/Elen-ka
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Awesome! Did you know any Dutch before or you started completely from scratch? Either way very impressed and motivated by your example!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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I tried doing the Dutch-to-English course when it came out (so I knew a few words like ik, kaas, paard, etc) but I couldn't get past the first checkpoint. Because I'm more of an audial learner, hearing the text-to-speech (even if it needs improvement) is absolutely crucial.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Carolind
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On point 5: My cousin married a Dutch. When learning the language, she had a sore throat for months. Good news is it eventually goes away. Try the Flemish 'g'. It's softer than the Dutch 'g'. I find it quite pretty.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melaninja
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I am very impressed.. congrats!

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https://www.duolingo.com/stephenbal4
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and I also love that we have so many lingots that we can just give tons of them away on posts to show which ones we really like

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https://www.duolingo.com/Fazac
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Out of interest, do you feel that you've really learnt the language completing it that fast? Or have you just completed the tree? Can you remember everything you've learnt?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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I still think there is a lot more learning to be done. That's why I've been strengthening my weak skills constantly the past few days. And there are a lot of weak skills. I'm still not entirely clear when to use "er", and I often get the syntax wrong on long sentences.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/donalush
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Gefeliciteerd :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dm77
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Wow Congrats! Goed gedaan! I'm still learning - I'm on basic adjectives on my dutch tree. ^^;

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/athanais

Don't forget to do Wadlopen while in the islands!! :D it's an amazing experience!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/drockalgzemoser
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Second with the "je" mistakes :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lolaphilologist
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Super impressed with your speed!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shastri23
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Congratulations! I'm barely 1/4 way through it. I'm hoping to impress everyone in Suriname when I go in December

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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That sounds really fun! I've heard the food there is incredible!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shastri23
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It most definitely is. Cultural fusion always manages to create some culinary works of genius!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ghossilva
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Felicitaciones. ¿Cuánto tiempo te tardaste?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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Un poco menos que dos semanas

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coloraday
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"probably because they never get involved in any wars" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_Netherlands

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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It was an exaggeration

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coloraday
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Ah, then I think you should coin a stronger word for it. Kidding - well done. :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/buunny
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Congrats! What level are you at now that you've completed the tree?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/araparseghian
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12

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/groscochon

Congrats! :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/J.Farrelly

hello congratulations! im fairly new to this site let alone this whole learning a language with motivation, but i was wondering how substantial the level of your dutch is now? how strong in a language do they courses make you?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stephenbal4
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I just finished my German tree (took me 59 days of a lot of playing in my free time). I am able to listen to German pop music and pick up quite a few of the lyrics. More classical music would be slower and even easier. If I'm watching a lyrics video, I understand a lot of it. And if I'm reading the lyrics, I understand 75% of them usually. I've been talking to natives for a week or two, and I make a lot of mistakes, but I can actually hold a chat conversation. I have a ways to go before fluency, and I still look up a lot of vocab, but it's a hell of a headstart. I took a semester of German in class, and I don't think I was anywhere near this proficient.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/J.Farrelly

thank you for such a speedy reply, i appreciate it. i happened to come across this website by chance (stumbled upon) and have always felt it important to at least try and learn another language, it seems only fair. But in school i always found it difficult (french and spanish, and latin to an extent) but i think i lacked motivation then, i feel a lot more motivated to learn, especially when these lessons seem very easy? but when i make a mistake i tend to go back and re do the lesson, how is it you've been talking to natives?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stephenbal4
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You're welcome. That's good. Motivation is really important. My strategy was to never go back and redo the lesson, because that would slow me down and (for me) probably kill my motivation eventually. The skills become colored anyway when Duo thinks you need to practice them, and you should definitely regold them when that happens. The skills do get harder.... quite a bit harder. The first section or two of the tree is pretty simple. I went on conversationexchange.com and mylanguageexchange.com. the first is free, the second requires you to pay 25 a year to contact people. I did not pay, but someone ended up contacting me from there a week or so later. I exchanged email / skype information with them and I talk to them on there.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/J.Farrelly

i feel i have to redo lessons because i struggle a lot with suffixes and spellings of words? varkensvlees and schrijven for example, i assume it's just due to a different lay out and coupling of letters in comparison to english and obviously an increase in the letter v. Quite a bit harder isn't necessarily a bad thing though right! i mean difficult keeps the mind busy? right? tell me i'm right haha. the whole skype thing is really cool though.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stephenbal4
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That's fair enough. To each their own. Haha yeah I like when it gets harder. French is boring me right now :(. Yeah, I really enjoy talking to natives.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PyroNewman
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Gefeliciteerd, araparseghian!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/schiffmeister
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Congrats! I finished mine just today. I alternate between C1 and C2 in German, and that knowledge helps SO much in Dutch (and Danish, even)!

3 years ago