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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Angry_Anglo

Will Finnish have Puhekieli?

Now that the Finnish course is finally out I am even more excited on my Finnish journey, however I tried using puhekieli for answers and they weren't excepted, which is obvious because kirjakieli is the standard. I know that the course literally just came out but i would find it great if it was added. I hope it is added because Finns use Puhekieli more than Kirjakieli. Sorry for clogging the discussions haha :D

June 24, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brendolinif

This is my guess but I would reckon they wont just due to the wide variety of dialects of Finnish. However, if they focused on just the Helsinki dialect, they possibly could, even if it will make all non-helsinki Finns cringe. If we are lucky, maybe they'll teach Savo :kappa:


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Janne_G_Pirinen

Finnish - en tohdi enää katsoa samaa asiaa

Savo - Mie en kehtoo kahtoo ennee sammoo hommoo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

No elähän ny. Kyllähän tuota soppii katella aenakki iliman laseja.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Papualaisooppera

Kirjakieli is always correct to use and puhekieli has various degrees. Usually you enter the puhekieli zone when you start using the shorter pronouns.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

Terve! So far the course includes spoken forms that are used by at least 80% of Finns. This includes some vocabulary like the word tosi taught alongside the more formal todella. Most of these are grammatical features though. Like always accepting minä, sinä, me, and te in subject position, which is taught early on. Some common features are also accepted as alternative translations. For instance, the passive forms of verbs (me ollaan) are accepted alongside the first person plural forms (me olemme). If you find some of these missing in certain translations, please report them by clicking on the flag icon.

We hope to have more spoken language alternatives available in the long run, but I doubt that we will start adding them until the tree is much longer than it is now. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tiskitabletti

Well you do well in finland whith only kirjakieli but there is some problems in puhekieli. there is tons of differend puhekieliä in finland and they are really hard.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mrGroovish

Like people have said, kirjakieli is the "proper" Finnish language that is (or should be) written, is always correct, and is understood and accepted everywhere, including formal and official contexts. In my opinion, regular foreigners outside Finland (and probably mostly in Finland as well) should focus on learning it and forget the many forms of puhekieli (the dialects) until they are more proficient with the kirjakieli (unless they happen to have some special, e.g., linguistical, interest in them). It may sound a bit stupid on the street to speak kirjakieli, but one will always be understood—the same does not apply to all of the different dialects with their own local vocabularies. Even I, as a Finnish person, do not understand much of the local vocabularies used, for instance, in the dialects of Northern Finland, not to mention the Stadin slangi. I do not even understand some of the words that my own father uses. :-) Furthermore, one does not need the dialects unless one is trying to understand the speech of others, and the dialects, in principle, are local to geographical areas. I'm sure that if one actually comes to live in Finland and pays attention to the spoken language after studying the kirjakieli, one picks up the local dialect relatively quickly without specifically trying to learn it. If one doesn't live here in Finland or is just on a vacation here, one is much better equipped with the "proper" Finnish—the kirjakieli.

Another thing is, why would one want to learn some dialect. To understand others? That is a valid answer. Out of interest in dialects? Another nice answer. But why would one want to speak them, unless one is, for instance, an actor or an undercover detective? If one is not from a certain area, one's real identity is something completely else, and one should respect oneself in that. After living in some area for a longer time, one's identity, including speech, may gradually adjust towards the local identity, and that is natural. However, in paying significant efforts to learn a dialect to appear like a local person, one would not be true to oneself and one's own heritage. So, in general, one should target one's efforts primarily to the official forms of foreign languages (in Finland, the kirjakieli) and learn local dialects as one encounters them in the real life.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kummitus

I think that would be neat, but then again there are so many ways people speak Finnish it might be difficult to include. F. ex. just the word "I" can be minä, mä, mie, mää or miä, depending on where you're from.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EmilyBenne971133

I am using the book "Kato hei" - I have a physical version but it's available online too. Might be difficult to get a physical copy if you don't live in Finland.

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