Translation:They must have found out that we were arriving.
I have been entering the correct solution over and over again, and yet Duo keeps rejecting it for some reason. I even went so far as to copy and paste the correct solution that Duo recommended just in case I was somehow making a typo each time I typed it myself, but Duo still wouldn't accept it. I've reported it, but apart from that, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do.
As far as I can see, with the word blocks there is no correct solution, as DL deems that the correct one is wrong. There's no method of moving on directly from this point in the lesson. One can only quit and start again on something else.
There are many of us who had the same issue and have been able to move on. I keep reporting the problem and even went to their fb page and complained. I did stay away from the course for a few days when I went back I found that they had changed some of the questions and that sentence was missing and was able to move on. Don't give up keep reporting the problem.
That's funny. I gave that solution and it was marked correct. Maybe DL has acted on your reports!
The unusual answer, definitely not English as I speak it, which was accepted as correct was: They will have "learnt" that we arrived.
I am having the same problem! What am I supposed to do? I did it right more than ten times! I just keep losing points and cannot go on!
The very stilted translation that was accepted as correct is "They will have learnt (is that English) that we arrived. Strange, very strange.
Look up any English conjugation resource. "Learned" is past indicative: they learned. "Learnt" is the past participle, used in all perfect tenses, and therefore the correct choice here. Neither strange nor stilted.
Certainly not in Canada. Where I have lived all of my 48 years. Native speaker. I have never used the word learnt, or heard anyone else ever use it.
I'm Canadian too Dino. Indeed, we never say learnt. I have heard it from a well-educated, well-spoken Australian. Language is fluid, and regional. I am pretty sure from some of the more unusual translations (unusual at least to the Canadian ear) that DL creators are not native English speakers. Tha't;s fine. I would appreciate though if there was a broader range of responses graded as correct.
Which of these do you use? I burned/burnt the toast by mistake. He dreamed/dreamt about his holiday. Luke kneeled/knelt down to find his contact lens. Tanya spoiled/spoilt her dinner. She spelled/spelt her surname an unusual way.
Hello Malcolm. In eastern Canada, we would indeed use burnt toast but say I burned the toast. Kneeled and knelt would be used for prayer for example. We would never say spelt in any circumstances except for a kind of wheat.
It is worth mentioning this. I have found that Duolingo often uses British English for describing things that is just not commonly practised in Canada or the US. Canada is a bit of a hybrid between being very influenced by the US, but still retaining a lot of British English such as how we spell things like 'colour' etc. Interesting this comment from the Oxford dictionary: These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Both are acceptable, but learned is often used in both British English and American English, while learnt is much more common in British English than in American English.
My experience has been that American (US) english was the first style used. I have had to report and wait for many British English translations to be accepted. e.g. biscuits instead of cookies sweets instead of candies and many more. I think we're still waiting for grandad to be accepted for Nonno.
Meanwhile "They must have known that we arrived" is accepted by DL. 28032016
Same thing happens to me, and I am stuck in the program. Two years later. Grrrr
No, not two years later - the bug seems to have only started this week. These comments from two years ago are just the usual sort about wanting more variations to be accepted. The bug we're all encountering now, just simply doesn't accept anything - not even that correct translation shown at the top. But welcome to the club! I think you're member number 12?
Not matter how long the issue has been going on is crazy. Yes, the program is free but this is a hell of a way to get people to use it and tell others about it. Very SAD!
If you read through all the comments on here, you'll see some workarounds suggested (obviously it'd be best if there wasn't a bug in the first place). The only one that was suitable and worked for me was to use the Test Out option on the whole Future Perfect skill. If you've tried lesson 2 several times, trying to get past the bug, then you'll already have a good grasp of how the sentences work. You'll know a fair few of the ones in the Test Out off by heart as well. So, don't be scared of it and give it a try.
If, like me, you really want to still go through all the other lessons, you can afterwards. Completing the Test Out will unlock them and allow you to progress.
Hi. Thanks. Already solved the problem and posted it on here. Just leave out 'that' in the translation. DL accepts the resultant wording and the lesson can move forward. Cheers
Duo does not accept 'they probably found out that we were arriving' Oct 2014 reporting
I may be a little slow on the uptake here- but where is the 'must' part of the sentance implicit?
It is not part of the Italian sentence but the word "must" is in the duolingo translation. They are the ones who is in error. Can't get them to respond to all of these requests for HELP.
It does say in the dropdown info for "avranno" that "must have" is a colloquial usage. Just because it isn't a word-for-word translation with English that you recognize, doesn't make it wrong. Think idioms. : )
It's not an idiom and is more than just colloquial. One use of the futuro anteriore is conjecture about the past. In English, 'must have' is the shortest way to say it, hence the translation. The only way to know it is intended is when it's the usage that makes most sense in the context. See https://www.thoughtco.com/future-perfect-tense-in-italian-2011696 for useful detail and examples.
"They will have found out that we were arriving" is actually incorrect, as the correct meaning would be "Avranno scoperto che arrivavamo". The word "saputo" is the past tense of the word "sapere", which means " to know. The correct answer is therefore, " They will have known that we were arriving"
But I still find it illogical in English - Future Perfect and Past Continuous - unlikely combination! I would have failed an exam if I had written something like that.
You are unaware of this unusual usage of several past tenses of sapere, which mean: learned of, came to know, got to know about, heard about, and other synonyms.
It makes more sense when you reflect on the passato being a completed action in the past. The literal English translation (I knew/have known) is silly in relation to knowledge, as this is continuous and so requires the Italian imperfetto. However the various options above do work, and that's why avranno saputo has this meaning. The same logic lies behind the 'meet/met' meanings of conoscere.
Why DL wants to make it so difficult. Wouldn't it be easier to say:"They will have known that we arrived"
Sapere means "to know” in the sense of "to be able to," or "to know how to." It can also be understood as knowing about a situation or a fact, like “Non sapevo che tu fossi qui.
- I didn’t know that you were here.”
Conoscere, on the other hand, means “to know” in the sense of “to know someone” or “to know an area, town, restaurant, etc. https://www.thoughtco.com/italian-verbs-sapere-conoscere-2011690
Two issues with your version compared to Duo.
Che arrivavamo uses the imperfetto tense, signifying continuous or repeated action in the past: hence we were arriving. "We arrived" is not continuous and so would need one of the passato tenses.
Imagine a film scenario in which some bad guys have just realised they are about to be intercepted by some cops ...
Given that, "will have" is acceptable but so is "must have". It signifies a conjecture about the past - one of several uses of the futuro anteriore. I heartily recommend https://www.thoughtco.com/future-perfect-tense-in-italian-2011696 to learn about this. Note the second example in the list at the end.
"They will have known that we arrived." What is wrong with this translation?
I sometimes wonder if DL reads these comments. If so, they don't seem to bother, otherwise they would have improve some of the things.
Finally, I am no longer a single voice in the wilderness.... Have a lingot, it may make you feel better
Duolingo is made up of volunteers - I believe they start with the 'reported problems' so they won't see these comments unless they stumble in here.
but it won't let me! it won't allow me to 'skip' it, and when I get to the end, it's the last question again, and it keeps saying wrong, wrong, wrong and removing my bar until I just quit. how can I move on? there has been no response to my many 'report a problem's . . . help?
I have not idea of how to get this corrected. No response from Duolingo as of this time.
I have reported the same problem - my answer is correct and is marked wrong. The same answer I gave is the one DL marks wrong. I see others have the same problem. It's got to be a glitch somewhere in their system.
Problem is still there. Just tried again and no luck. I belong to an Italian language group and we use this program as an additional learning tool. Need this corrected so that we can continue our learning.
Help! Does anybody know how to get past this. It is a severe software defect and will force me to exit the course permanently since there is no way past it. Does anybody know how to get help from Duolingo staff?
I've checked Google and didn't see anyway to contact them. There's a lot of us "stuck".
Well i had the same problem and then i did the same lesson on my phone and this sentence is not even there, then you can just complete the lesson no problem.
Not good news for any of us without anything compatible, is it? So...not really a solution.
Just do the "test out" of that whole lesson - and you will be able to move on.
This is how I finally settled for doing it - and it's actually not that difficult. If you have attempted lesson 2 several times to see if it's been fixed, then you should know about a quarter of the test out questions really well by now! ;)
Wouldn't "would have known" also be an acceptable answer? If they "would have found out" they "would have known."
After you have submitted your answer there are two flags at the bottom of the screen. One for "report" and one for "discuss". Use "report" wisely and sparingly and only after you have read all the comments - often the answer is in the discussion.
Oh come on DL for the love of Pete, to have known and to have learnt are the same damn thing, and certainly sapere is 'to know' so far as we know and imparare is to learn.
Oh come on, this is the same session and now the answer is supposed to be "They must have found out that we were arriving"
Tell me, where is 'the supposed to have found out' coming from?
Er, thanks, I think. Basically I have no idea what you're talking about and will have to take your word for it. Have a lingot for your trouble.
Look Duo, if "found out" or "learnt" can be used of SAPUTO then why can't "known" be used? Because if something was learned of found out it is then known, vero?
I give up. Duo's "correct" answer is "They will have learnt that we arrived." Really?
That's just a correction of your error, whatever it was; the preferred answer is at the top of this page. Duo is a machine. When 'he' finds an error, it seems that one isolated correction is made to what you wrote and the rest is unchanged; also if there are 2+ errors, only one is changed. These can produce junk - I've seen worse than yours.
Therefore I long since ceased to be bothered, and instead I (a) note what is marked in the suggestion and (b) try to understand its relation to the preferred translation. You learn more that way. Sometimes the preferred translation itself is not great, perhaps from a non-native speaker, which to me is worse. But this is a good one.
It's too distant a synonym. 'Learned' isn't the same as 'got to know' or 'found out'. When we deviate that far, Duo simply thinks we haven't got the vocabulary.
my answer exactly matches the correct solution. quite sure I also tried "... we arrived" as well. anybody else have this problem?
I thought I was being really stupid somehow when nothing I entered was being accepted for this...thank god for these comments so I know I'm not alone! Have reported, so hopefully it'll be fixed...
so you people that had this same issue, THEN what happened? did you get a reply from 'report a problem'? I haven't found any other way to 'contact us' or get help (the troubleshooting section didn't seem to have anything close to this)
I have now also sent in a bug report, hopefully that will speed things up more than just reporting a problem on the sentence. Fingers crossed, huh!
Still got the same problem. Surely it should be possible to skip faults without losing progress.
"they must have found out that we were arriving". I wrote that and Duolingo keeps saying it is wrong? What kind of a bug is that?
Too all who were having problems with Level 12, Lessons 2...they have changed some of the questions and have remove sentence in question. Go in and give it a try. Good luck
Thanks for keeping an eye on this. I just tried it again and it is still the same. Looks like then end of Duolingo for me. I also tried someone else's the suggestion of going to the Android app and came across another fatal bug that it wouldn't accept my password. Just as an aside, do you have some way of finding out about changes other than by attempting the defective "lesson" over and over?
I was wondering if you have been reporting a problem. I did it quite a few times and I also went to their fb page and complained about the issue. I don't know who monitors their page but about 2 days later it was fixed and I've been able to move on. So don't give up keep filing reports and try leave a message on fb.
I highly doubt they fixed it just for one user and left it broken for everyone else? Did you perhaps switch to the app like ralimaru has been saying? In a newer comment by them, they've said that the app doesn't have this sentence - which seems to match with what you're saying?
I haven't changed a thing on my end. All I know is that I had reported the problem at least 6 times and left them a message on fb. Went back into the program several days later and "that" sentence had been removed and several other sentences where there and I was able to complete the unit to move on.
Vedo che ho tante companie con questa phrase . Non si puo andare avanti. Noiso.
cosa facciamo (non so cos'é l'App" UFFA!!
I have put in an error message as I have cut and pasted the answer from the correct solution and it is still being marked as incorrect!
Keep reporting an error. Go to fb and message them that there is an error. I did that and I don't know if that is what really worked but it was corrected and I was able to move on.
Keep reporting the error. From what I've been seeing it's getting fixed in pieces. Also go to their fb page and tell them there that there is a problem . Keep the pressure on them. Good luck!
I wrote They must have found out that we were arriving and it was wrong! Reported twice.
Ugh! I see others are stuck at same level due to mistake in the programme not accepting the exact correct answer. Been stuck for 3 days now, what can I do? They must have found out that we were arriving is now driving me nuts!,,,
SarahStack8 above suggested using the 'Test Out' option for this skill - that's what I had to do and then went through to 'redo' the other four lessons.
There's a bug. SarahStack8 above suggested using the 'Test Out' option for this skill - that's what I had to do and then went through to 'redo' the other four lessons.
This must happen to everyone who encounters the question with the word blocks. I had to sacrifice the whole lesson to continue. There's no method of directly moving on.
Come on DL what kind of game is this? I give the answer DL gives and DL then rejects it. What is the objective here??
Incredible! May 4th, 2017 - still doesn't accept its own answer suggested by DL!!!
I just can't pass to another lesson because of the same problem that other people have with this sentence...
The best solution I found suggested (and what I ended up doing) was to use the Test Out option on the whole skill. It's not all that difficult and you can always go through the other Future Perfect lessons afterwards.
I solved it with the Android application... But i wanted to learn and have it only on my desktop. :/ Much better than the phone.
Just the other day I answered the question correctly and came on this discussion to see whether anybody else was getting the same problem. Of course, ALL of you were getting the same problem. I'd probably entered the correct solution, "They must have found out that we were arriving" about 3 times before it dawned on me that Duolingo wasn't going to give in. As I said, I came on here, and my suggestion was to cancel the lesson and do another instead. But then, when I went back to the question, I FOUND THE ANSWER THAT IS ACCEPTED [sorry about the CAPS but I wouldn't want you to miss this]. Instead of the above solution, you write, "They must have found out we were arriving" Just omit 'that' from the full sentence. It's still absolutely OK in English translation, and sometimes the 'che' isn't featured in a translated sentence anyway. Anyway, DL accepts it. So no more need for those "they-must-have-found-out-that-we-were-arriving" blues to ever appear again.
that failed for me. I copied your sentence in, removed the quotes, and got the same error message as before ... Thanks though
Yup, I went back through lesson 2 to try your idea and it didn't accept it for me, either. I used the Test Out option instead.