"Non ci posso credere."
Translation:I cannot believe it.
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Non lo posso credere? I cannot believe it? Non ci posso credere? I cannot believe us? I'm confused about "ci" and which pronoun group it belongs in
"Ci" here is more "a questo/quello" (I can't believe this/that): credere is mostly followed by "a" or "in", unless it supports a subordinated period. It's not a mistake to use it transitively though, "non lo posso credere" is just unusual.
I watched the video and found it is pretty good. It also gave another web address: www.iltavoloitaliano.com for more information.
Great reference. It simplifies the understanding of how to use ce and ne. It also referrences a free web site iltavoloitaliano.com
so how many different ways can ci be expressed , I get tripped up about it a lot and it seems to be used ALOT
Ci is used as a reference to a part of a previous sentence. See: http://www.uvm.edu/~cmazzoni/3grammatica/grammatica/ciene.html
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then could I also translate this as "I cannot believe that" ? or is it best to try and remember this and carry a spare lingot in case I forget?
Is this the "missing" Italian neuter gender - "it"? ("ci" being the dative case)
Hm, I can't find any resource to support it, but it does make sense.
What is a 'subordinated period'? I've heard of subordinate clauses, but this is new to me. ( learned grammar a long time ago). Thanks for explaining anyway.
Apparently it is acceptable for Duo - see https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/176145
I think there's a less technical explanation possible. Lo = It Ci = in it (credere a = believe in) Ne = of it/ them.
Might not be 100% but it certainly gets you past the understanding bump.
You are right
But it is not very technical, it’s just a replacement we are doing here
“ci” and “ne” replace prepositional phrases.
“ci” replaces “in” or “a” (and their object).
So in this case in the sentence:
“Non posso credere a questo”
you replace “a questo” with “ci”
and you get:
- non ci posso credere
- non posso crederci
(both are correct)
Yes. The direct object can be attached to the infinitive like that. Tu puoi farlo!
"I can't believe us" sound right to me...like in: again we are were fooled by that girl
I like your attempt to rationalise this tricky area Gil and it could be right only isn't the third person singular indirect object pronoun gli and not ci which then points us towards Bill's "missing" neuter pronoun.
(American English speaker) I'll vote with you, because "ci" is a direct object here, not an indirect object.
It is not. "Non lo posso credere" would be acceptable. In Italian, indefinite direct and indirect objects come before the verb and after "non", or they can be attached at the end of the 2nd verb (the one in the infinitive form.
So, this could also be written as "Non posso crederlo" or "Non posso crederci".
'It' is translated as 'lo' everywhere here. If DL wants ci there should be an explanation.
From DL tips:
“Ci” and “ne” replace prepositional phrases. “Ci” replaces “in” or “a” and their object.
So in this case in the sentence “Non posso credere a questo” you replace “a questo” with “ci” and you get:
- non ci posso credere
- non posso crederci
(both are correct)
From what DL has taught so far, it should be 'lo' -- 'ci' in this usage hasn't been explained.
Non CI/THERE posso/Be able to credere/to believe = lit. (Right) THERE, I can't believe about it.//Semplice; Non me lo credo//Non ci posso crederti; I can't believe you (niente/nada/a piece of it), uno dimeno centavo per niente i tuoi pensieri)
BilloofKemsey non é CI/THERE sempre così in significato ma usato lí/lá/cui/cioe/ci+è=c'è/Io/noi/they// non ci credono nel nostro arrivo a Mosco/They don't believe in our arrival to Moscow
Pity none of this useful information is provided by Duolingo in the tips but has to be independently searched for.
