https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi

Grammar Notes for French!

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Hi! I'm DXLi, and I'm a contributor and moderator for the French/English Duolingo team.

Our team has been developing grammar notes for the French for English Speakers course. Such notes are a very common request from users, and we're happy to announce that the first batch of notes is ready! To find them, open a skill (e.g. Basics 1) and look below the lessons. Some users may have to press a button on the right side to see them.

As we continue to develop these notes, we'd love any feedback you have on them. Perhaps the notes are too short, too long, missing content, not detailed enough, etc. Keep in mind that we're trying to teach grammar gradually, so not every note will have everything you need to know about a particular subject. Please feel free to comment on this thread with general feedback, but for errors, please contact me directly on my stream.

UPDATE 3/1: Still working on the notes! We're gradually rolling out tree updates to French users, so you should be seeing new notes shortly if not already.

We hope you enjoy your new grammar notes!

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/RienaW
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That's awesome! I know that a lot of people have been looking for this. Will the notes be appearing on the mobile versions as well?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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As far as I know, the mobile versions don't currently support tips and notes. I don't interact with the product team, so I don't know if such a feature will appear in the future. Sorry! You should be able to read them if you log in on a browser, though.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Epazoj

Hopefully we will not have to wait too much longer for the tips on mobile. I think tips and notes are needed more on mobile, since switching pages for grammar guidance using a desktop computer is much easier.

For the present though, I guess I will start using the web browser's interface for lessons.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zzrlovinghaters

I am really happy that I know about this site because it can really help me learn the language that I have been trying to learn

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/M1ck3yJ0

True that. These notes are really helpful, not to mention clear and concise. I have adopted a strategy of doing my actual learning on the mobile platform, and then breezing through the entire thing on the computer (even if it's at a later date).

The added trouble only because I prefer a non-structured environment, though. I absorb things better while walking around, etc.

And this makes for great XP and Lingots too! ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stevegreg5119

oh

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bush_Dog

I have seen grammar notes on the iPad version, so I think they will probably add it to mobile soon.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kieran_lillis

Isn't Duolingo a universal app (i.e. it's the same on both iPhone and iPad)? I've never seen notes in the app.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dylan11741

Yes it is. But there is also an entire desktop version of Duolingo which is admittedly more expansive and in-depth. I would say that mixing mobile and desktop versions is the best way to get the best out of the service.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bush_Dog

I see them in the iPad version, weird.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zawaaly

I use it on my Galaxy phone app and on my laptop and they are the same

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jjcapao88

Oui, s'il te plaît! Parce que j'utilise plus mon téléphone portable pour apprendre le français.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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I saw the grammar notes in basics one. It seems huge to me. Maybe they should be sub-divided, link to different sub-sections, or be automatically collapsed to prevent one from becoming overwhelmed. It seems to me that those notes are likely to scare off some prospective learners with too much information.

Also in the current lessons screen (not the experimental beta), the tips and notes are kicked off to the bottom of the screen. Therefore, a user with a small screen is unlikely to see them. Currently I only see the tips and notes in basics 1, so I'll provide more feedback later.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Yeah, I know what you mean. It's a tough balance, because there's so much to learn in the first few lessons. We may end up shrinking them to the bare minimum and then posting the extended discussion elsewhere, but tables aren't enabled for discussions yet, so we'll have to wait on that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Feedback 2:

Important

  1. Provide definitions for Gramatical terms , for example, Partitive Article, or entirely avoid them.

  2. Emphasis - Tips and notes should probably emphasize the skill they're under. Under food, I'd expect something also related to meals or eating.

  3. Prepositions - I think this is one of the most important skills, and even L1 speakers struggle with it, so I believe it should probably be prioritized.
  4. Permalinks (anchors)* - A way to avoid repetitive descriptions in the forums, or to refer quickly to other descriptions in other sections is to use permalinks/anchors, for example, this & this refer to comments/sections in this page. It can also work for external links.

Optional

  1. Small cultural notes - for example, diminuitives are used often in Portuguese like Ronaldinho (little ronaldo), and rabinho (small buttox).
  2. Add a horizontal line to split subsections
  3. A picture is worth a thousand words, sometimes it is better to show things rather than explain it.

Anyway, overall the notes are well designed. It just seems that they need to be properly organized and with better spacing between the headings.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lindakanga
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Dessamator, you are one of the bright brains in this world. Thank you for input in so many ways - not just here - but on other posts as well. As a programmer in a past life - things all take time. But I 100% agree with you that it is FANTASTIC to include Pictures in learning - as it engages a different part of our brain. As does Sound, as does Listening, as does Smelling (not really replaceable on computer interface), as does Touching (not really replaceable on computer interface), and even more importantly as does Emotion (it can be engaged a computer interface). For us humans often Pictures have a quicker way of engaging our emotions, as well as using a different neural interface to our brains. Typed words though are a quicker interface to get up and going for communications - in a computer environment. (In a restaurant or social situation - hand gestures - and figure drawing on a note pad are fantastic ways to communicate all sorts of things ;)

I have been in a bit of a transit zone recently, and I am yet to get up to speed on internet world - but I like what I see and 'comprehend' (hear) here ;)
MOST IMPORTANTLY thank you for the efforts of the team behind the scene - to improving human learning :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Smelling (not really replaceable on computer interface)

Actually it is, though it is still in the prototype stage. The same applies to touching, called haptic feedback.

With animated svg or even webp it may be possible to generate various animated images to help people learn, without consuming a lot of bandwith.

Anyway, thank you for your kind words. You're also helping people with your French notes. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lindakanga
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Thank you. You make me laugh :0 ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/creoleladyk

This is basically how I learned these prepositions in middle school... My French teacher would say the preposition and put her hand in the correct position in proximity to her head...if that makes sense! It stuck with me for 15+ years!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Akram.Ahmad

i liked that

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HWOmega

Wow, that's awesome! I wish we did that...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Thanks a ton for this very useful feedback. I'll see what I can do.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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I also noted that some tips and notes are only covered in the bonus skills. I think this may be a mistake considering that many people may never buy those bonus skills. So I think they should be repeated elsewhere.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WaterBomb
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Feedback: This information is very useful-it helped a lot! Thanks so much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/francais.learner

Feedback 3: This information should be accessible on the Duolingo iPhone app as well. In addition, suggest to have a basics page on some theory as applicable before going into testing out lessons. For example, I've gone through French till Food and Animals (on mobile) and have not yet seen a comprehensive Je suis, Tu es... Ils sont yet. Similarly for As-tu, although they have been included in pronunciation exercises.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

Feedback 3: This information should be accessible on the Duolingo iPhone app as well.

The course contributors have no control over that. You can't view the tips/notes for any course on any of the app versions. It's just not a feature that is present on them yet.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ziaphant

Where is this picture from and are there more like it?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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That's just a random picture I found online, http://chezbonnefemme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/French-Lessons.jpg. If you know what you're looking for I suppose you can find it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/djubradin

great example, i saved the picture and gave you a small lingoth. I usually draw pictures like that for learning :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eshamandlik

it helped!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Querist
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Love your pictographs! Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarshaGree1

this is a good gesture. thanks for the reminder of the prepositions :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JacquiMelbs

Great picture system - do you have others?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Do you really cover all that in just 4 basic lessons?

Anyway, it may not be a big problem because people actually have to click to see the tips and notes. So those who aren't interested may end up ignoring it anyway. I think it would also be fruitful if you provide references for the grammar notes. From what I've seen in sentence discussions, people have real fights over even the simplest concepts.

At one point I recall two users arguing over the use of a semi-colon in an immersion document. Others were arguing over something that wasn't really up to discussion (whom vs who) in a lesson. Some things are iron-clad and should be referenced (preferably reputable sourceS) while those that are open to interpretation should be left as such, in my opinion.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rljones
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Dessamator, this is the first thing you've said (that I know about) that I genuinely disagree with. So called "language rules" and standard "grammar books" and "properly referenced" usages, as well as dictionaries themselves, are nothing more than records or descriptions of how language is used by people. Lewis Carroll had it right when he had Tweedledum (or Tweedledee?) declare that what he meant was simply a matter of "Who's master here?" The answer is, of course, the user, the populace; they are the final arbiters of how any language is used, regardless of what any book may say.

Language is of course stratified; it is often a marker of social or educational class, and what people have learned in school as "correct" will sometimes provoke fierce defenses of their status against interlopers who speak differently. But how people ultimately speak, or write, is going to be in the heads of those who do it. Duo's "method," if it can be called that, is firmly based in this truth. "Crowd sourcing" depends on the numbers of people who use language in some particular way. Appeal to "standard" usages is in the final analysis irrelevant. It solves no problems. It merely says that "a lot of people do it differently." But "who's master"? The ones who use the language that survives. We may never know.

Duo's "trial and error" procedure is close to the way we all learn our native languages. We speak in the way we have learned from our parents and peers, after listening, reading, trying, failing, trying again. As adults, we are less patient. We've been there done that, and want quicker certainty this time around. But repetition is what produces fluency; when something "just sounds right" it has become the way we think, and not until then have we mastered the language. At that point "rules" may become helpful, but the final rule will always be "That's the way I have always heard it and said it."

I am ambivalent about the new "grammar notes." They may help reduce the stress of trial and error learning, but they may actually impede the progress toward fluency. We'll see, won't we?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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What you say about language rules is true for English, but it's much less true for regulated languages like French. People may use French however they wish, but official grammar rules (promulgated by the French Academy) do exist. This course is designed to teach proper French writing technique in the Parisian style, so the Academy's rules are canonical. Sure, the Academy created their rules by standardizing the vox populi in 1635, but there is a master here. Or rather, forty masters.

As far as Duo's method goes, apart from Immersion, I don't think Duo uses much crowdsourcing at all. Translations need to be manually entered. Moderators come up with the sentences. Sure, we receive reports about missing translations, but they still need to be vetted and entered by the staff.

I keep seeing people post that Duo's method is similar to how a child acquires language through trial-and-error and immersive feedback, but I wholeheartedly disagree that this is the case. When you learn a language on Duo, it's not the same as learning it organically like a child. There are a ton of differences, but the most important is that Duo presumes that you already understand a language and can build from that.

This means that Duo begins by teaching you a small chunk of grammar and vocabulary and making sure you know it well. Then, it adds another chunk, and another. This is serial learning, and this is why lessons are grouped by grammatical concept.

When children learn a language, they don't acquire it serially. Parents definitely don't start out by reciting pronoun and article tables to their infants. They learn in parallel, refining gradually. Mistakes are ignored as long as the content is correct. Studies have shown that parents tend to avoid correcting grammar until children are well past the initial stages of language acquisition.

When you learn on Duo, you're not going back to square one. You're just creating a bridge between your native tongue and another. If you subscribe to Noam Chomsky's idea of universal grammar, then you'd say that you're just learning the adjustments to the principles and parameters.

And thank goodness for that! I don't know about anyone else, but it took me at least ten years just to become fluent (even without proper grammar) in English. Learning like a child can be painfully slow. That being said, it's also painful to try to learn another language by committing grammars to memory without functional use of the language. The Duo technique is somewhere in the middle. You learn by trial-and-error, but you can use everything you've already learned to help.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rljones
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I didn't realize that there were forty of you folk "playng God" over the current state of the language. The influence of the Academy has diminished somewhat. In fact, people in Provence seem to take great pride in preserving local speech. There are also Canadian "rules" that do not always agree with the edicts from Paris. And some Louisiana Cajuns still insist that "Laissez les bon temps roulez" is good French. Whatever.

I do not subscribe to Chomsky's notion of "universal grammar,." but even if I did it would mean that chlldren ALREADY have an "existing" language and "can build from that," as you assert Duo's strategy relies on. What children have is a logical relationship to the world, and they learn how their own culture refers to it in language. In Duo, adults learn that there are different ways of referring to the same reality that all of us share. That is important to know.

And I have gratitude and great admiration for those of you who make this possible. You are absolutely right that learning any language takes time, and there's not much way to speed up the process. However long it takes parents to begin correcting their kids' language, they learn primarily from their peers, who are less forgiving. They learn to "fit in," even including the "right" accent. May Duo's accent always be "right."

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marmar.84
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I agree with you about Duo´s method.I graduated in english translation.According to David Nunan´s book vocabulary is more than lists of target language words.As part of the language system,vocabulary is intimately interrelated with grammar.In fact,it is possible to divide the lexical system of most languages into grammatical words such as preposition,articles,adverbs,and so on and content words.the grammaticality of vocabulary also manifests itself in word morphology,that is ,the grammatical particles that we attach to the beginning and ends of words in order to form new words.the following task is designed to focus learners on this aspect of language.I learned Spanish here and I can speak it well,I should say that I really like this language;it is so sweet for me,but Duolingo helps me a lot(Mil Gracias Duo)!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Well, perhaps you misunderstood. I didn't mean that Duolingo wouldn't add any new suggestions or change things as necessary. Any course (language based or not) should be fluid and change with the times. But sometimes people argue over simple things that are used by the majority of people. It would also be a problem to randomly accept the words of all dialects.

Can you imagine reading a text that uses many dialects?:

"The trunk that was near the tree was closed but the boot kept opening over and over again, suddenly my pants fell, so I needed to pull my pants up and wear my pants thereafter, so I could quickly catch a lift on my lift to my apartment"

I encourage you to decipher that :).

Allowing a course to grow is fine. But there has to be a point where one simply needs to take sides, otherwise future moderators will have a hard time maintaining the course. If all current staff and contributors choose to leave there must be a template future contributors can follow to improve and maintain the course. That is in my opinion, simply a necessary evil.

In any event, those are simply "tips and notes", a tip or a note is something that by definition can be simply ignored anyway.

P.S. It is good to disagree sometimes, it encourages discussion and creativity. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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@rljones:

We can certainly agree that the OED is a good document to reference from, and that historical differences are particularly important when maintaining a language course.

As for my Dialectical challenge, you got most of it right, the original story was this:

"The rear compartment of the car which was near the tree was closed, but it kept bouncing open, and the distressed driver's underwear fell with all that commotion, so he really pulled up his underwear, then pulled up his trousers, and grabbed a ride on the elevator to his apartment".

Possibly to call for help.

I played on the fact that the British and the Americans can't seem to agree on what pants means, so pants referred to both the underwear in British English and trousers in American English. I also played around with the word trunk, boot, and tree.

P.S. You actually added fun facts to the story that weren't there, so I just stuck with it. It wasn't a crash originally, the car was simply near a tree but I like your version better.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rljones
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I had not realized before that your dialect was British. Stupid me; all the markers are there. I will refer you to the OED, the greatest dictionary in the world, and its insistent historical focus. Language changes, not just courses in language or anything else, and the entire gamut of usages is spread out in the OED for examination. That, to my mind, is "properly referenced."

Thanks for your little dialectical challenge. i assume it refers to a car crash in which the hood of the car, near the tree, was shut, but the rear compartment was bouncing open, and the driver, who was in some distress, realized that he was at fault and had to "man-up" and grab a ride on the elevator to his apartment (presumably to call for assistance?) Anywhere close? Correction requested. "Tips and notes" and all that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jeanprendiville

No matter what you do you will not eliminate squabbles over grammar. A review article writer on English grammar books wrote recently that, only religion aroused the same degree of emotion and hostility. Apparently egos flare when it comes to English grammar. All the team can do is their best and their best looks pretty good to me. Congratulations.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nikitakimba

"only religion aroused the same degree of emotion and hostility."

LOL. Hardly. I didn't realise review writers were so hysterical! I've not read of one massacre which has started because of a disagreement over grammar. Could be interesting though.

"Cambridge students slaughter visiting Harvard students over blatant misuse of Queen's English"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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I don't think that is a problem. But if Duolingo justifies their sentences and translations by referencing a grammar book then it will reduce it to an extent.

It is something like saying, "we know there are different ways interpreting grammar, but we are generally following this book". The bonus is that grammar 'lovers' can always buy the book and/or use it to expand their knowledge.

I would personally never waste my time arguing over something that is properly referenced, especially if many sources say the same thing, and it is not my field of expertise. But as you say, each person reacts differently to grammar.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jeanprendiville

Ah but the question is "what is properly referenced?". You give me The Chicago Book of Style and I will give you Fowler and on and on. So along with general rules, a deal of tolerance and humility is required.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Not really, there are some iron-clad Language rules, that relate to all forms of a language.

I think you're confusing learning with general discussion. In learning a language you follow its documented rules, regardless of the general opinions of the populous. That is at least in written form, spoken form is chaotic at best.

Referencing styles are dependent on preference, not any steadfast rules.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/El_Devorador
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Well said !

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I have seen one of the 'whom vs. who' arguments, and it completely baffels me that someone could actually try to argue against the proper use of whom! It is absolutely mind-boggeling!

Anyway, I shouldn't say too much, so as not to draw the conflict to his discussion!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pianorulz

Hey, I know that you're only part of the French Program, but I can't really find people that are in the Italian Program. If you can contact people who are, could you ask if they can start up grammar tips and stuff for Italian? I'm really confused with all the articles and definers and conjugations and whatnot. It's a bit too much for me to remember without something to learn it from. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/relleke

"Wait for that (?)" I wait on someone at the table ../

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimSCasey

DXLi as a first time language learner you are right about the overwhelming part and so I think the repetition with a few very basic notes at the beginning is on the right track. Clear definiions and EXAMPLES! EXAMPLES! EXAMPLES! are really helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flint72
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I notice that you say the tips and notes are at the bottom of your screen.

In my account (using a PC) I have to click a little button in the top-right corner to get the tips and notes up.

This was not always the case however. There used to be Spanish notes below the lessons, but it changed a few weeks ago, and now you have to click the little button in the top-right corner. I do not like this nearly as much as being able to scrol down. Partly because it's harder to read them over the gold background as opposed to the white, and also the pop-up box is only half the screen.

Anyway, I also notice that you say that there is an experimental beta. What is that? I have not heard of it.

If this is the reason for the difference, how do I revert to the old look, as it sounds like you have done?

Thanks!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Anyway, I also notice that you say that there is an experimental beta. What is that? I have not heard of it.

You can't revert back because Duolingo is testing it out to see if it is better or not.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flint72
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Ah I see, thank you for that.

Hmmm, well if I can't revert, are they going to ask us to give feedback?

Personally I think the old version was better, but it seems most people in the discussion you linked prefered the new one.

Either way, it's not the end of the world!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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No, they rarely ask for any feedback. They generally evaluate usage metrics based on lesson success and such, and decide based on that. I suppose they probably also monitor the forums and review their emails for any feedback users "wish" to send them.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarr2193

Categorizing the would definitely be helpful and user friendly.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/navdeepio

Please, please add a print/save as pdf button alongside the notes!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dybber

I would like to see that as well! Eventually a single PDF with all the notes for each language

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/toussaintlou
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Il est trop tard ! Je suis déjà bilingue !

Seriously, thanks for your efforts. It's been a lot of fun, and very challenging. The notes will take away a lot of the frustration involved with beginning a language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joseangelxi
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Finally! Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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De rien ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GregHullender
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Let me suggest that you add a note at the top of the lessons to this effect: "If Duolingo makes language study into a game, you can think of grammar rules as a form of 'game guide.' You should try the lesson a few times, and then read the grammar rules. Reading the rules cold is boring and overwhelming, but if you wait until you've tried a few lessons, the rules will seem helpful and clear."

I know there's already a mild note to that effect, but (to me) it still implies that a "good" user would read all the rules first and then do the lessons, and that it's tolerable if you don't. Instead, I think it should make it clear that, unless you have already studied French and want a refresher, you should not look at the rules until after you've tried a lesson or two. (That's why I like the game-guide analogy; you only look at the game guide when either a) you get stuck or b) you've finished but want to know if you missed anything.)

Many, many people say that they lost interest in languages when they were asked to memorize tables of rules. I think Duolingo has gone too far in avoiding rules (and I applaud the great work you guys have done here) but I want to be sure you don't recreate the original problem.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Hi Greg, thanks for the valuable input! I wish we had more flexibility in what we could do with the notes, but unfortunately, Duolingo doesn't have a lot of features in that department. I do really like the idea of suggesting that users try the lesson a few times and only refer to the notes if they run into trouble. I'll see about implementing that.

EDIT: The new text I'll be putting up is:

Grammar notes like those below can be helpful if you're having trouble with the lessons, so consider trying the lessons above before reading the notes. They'll be more helpful once you have a context for understanding them.

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Excellent. I also think you should only include the themes covered in the particular lessons. Especially in basics 1 and 2. For example, I see that you talk about contractions in Basics 1, but unless I'm mistaken none of the sentences there use a contraction. You also expose the pronunciation of H, which really doesn't differ much from English, and is unnecessary at that point, maybe later.

Plurals are described in basics 2, and in the Plurals skill there seems to be more about punctuation. L' amour is discussed in basics 2 yet there is a whole skill for feelings, that should probably go into the flirting skill, or feelings.

More importantly those tables although informative are huge. Especially considering they aren't collapsible. I understand that contributors want to decrease FAQs based on their experience with the incubator and the sentence discussion.

However, in doing so, you're simply exposing information the learner doesn't need to know at that time.

4 years ago

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Thanks again for the feedback. The notes are indeed designed to include as little as possible while covering the grammar introduced in each section. However, there are times when we introduce extra grammar because it fits well with existing grammar.

For instance, we introduce contractions with elisions because they're very similar. And since we introduce elisions, we must introduce the idea of the mute H, because an English-speaker would see an elision before an H and wonder how it could be a vowel.

I'm not sure what you mean about punctuation in Basics 2. Do you mean conjugations? If so, that's intentional, and meant to show that verb conjugations have plural inflections. As for the "L'amour" section, I put it there because that's where aimer first appears, and it's really important to know that aimer only means "to love" for animate things. Even though that has to do with feelings, the verb aimer appears all over the place, and pushing that note down the tree would result in a ton of confusingly lost hearts.

I agree with you that the tables can be a bit bulky, but I've tried putting that information in both list and prose form, and the consensus has been that it's way less accessible in those forms.

4 years ago

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I meant that you discuss Punctuations in the PLURAL skill, while in the Basics 2 skill you also cover plurals. Though it makes sense at that point. I think the Basics 2 table is kind of confusing. It shows both singular forms and plural, and the point you're trying to get across there isn't clear. Are you teaching how to conjugate or are you showing the differences?

I see what you mean about l' amour, your explanation makes sense. The only thing that is kind of complicated is that agreement section, Portuguese is my L1, so I understand it perfectly. But I imagine that anyone who doesn't understand genders will be very confused.

I suggest you underline or highlight the differences, e.g.:

Masculine singular: Le chat noir — The black cat
Masculine plural: Les chats noirs — The black cats

4 years ago

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Interesting analogy, some people just throw out the manual in most cases, and some don't even know it exists. I think it would be better if the hints and notes were automatically hidden for basics 1 and 2, and once a user fails something like 3 or 4 times they automatically magically appear.

Something like the old dos adventure games that gave you hints if you lost enough times, but never revealed too much in the beginning.

4 years ago

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Not the manual; the game guide. It's a book that you pay extra to buy. It does not come with the game. The one for Skyrim costs $27 and is almost 900 pages long. (As big as a reference grammar.) :-)

A game guide always contains walk throughs for the different adventures plus tables of information about different aspects of the game, together with rules to follow to get better results. Anyone who plays games should understand the analogy. With a game, it's a form of cheating to read the game guide before playing, and it spoils your enjoyment of the game. For language learning, it's not cheating, but it can definitely spoil the enjoyment.

Again, not everyone feels that way. A linguist will always want to read that stuff. Someone who already studied the language will appreciate the reminder. Someone who already knows a related language will find it fairly easy as well. But young people approaching their first foreign language will definitely do better to wait. The time to explain grammar to a young person is at the point where he/she is begging to see it.

Maybe you're right about the old DOS adventure games. "I'm prepared to give you a hint, but it will cost you 5 lingots. Do you still want the hint?" (I'm not sure chaging makes sense, though.)

To really make that work, I think you'd want a per-question option of the form "I don't understand why my answer was wrong" that would direct you to a section of the grammar rules that explained it. That'd be a tall order to implement, since there are far, far more ways to give a wrong answer than to give a correct one.

Of course, again, it would be nice if Duolingo offered separate reporting options for "I'm sure my answer is correct" (i.e. Duo has an error) and "I don't understand why my answer is wrong" (i.e. I need someone to teach me something).

4 years ago

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It makes sense, the grammar is definitely cheating from that perspective because it gives you solutions for things you'd learn intuitively.

Maybe you're right about the old DOS adventure games. "I'm prepared to give you a hint, but it will cost you 5 lingots. Do you still want the hint?" (I'm not sure charging makes sense, though.)

Now that is a novel idea. Gamification of grammar instructions. That would essentially kill two birds with one stone, and would require one to complete a lesson with full hearts. An alternative is a big bonus skill for grammar lover such as linguists. Although, like you said, it may be difficult to implement.

But who knows maybe Duolingo will be able to pull it off.

4 years ago

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How about a game where you can see other people's mistakes for a sentence and map them to grammar rules. You win a "grammar point" when that person confirms that they understand. Then when anyone else inputs that sentence, they automatically get referred to that rule.

If you have a high enough grammar score, it puts "Master" in front of your name. :-)

4 years ago

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So basically what we do in immersion but explained with grammar?

I think this could work just as well as immersion does, but it would be better if they provide a layman's explanation, and map that explanation to the grammar rule.

Of course the problem is whether people would really enjoy searching for grammar rules and providing explanations. What would be the benefit to the explainer aside from "Grammar nazi" status? :)

Furthermore, a simple survey of immersion would indicate that most people can't be bothered to do that even to resolve " edit-wars".

4 years ago

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My thinking is that the moderators would leverage the results. So an edit war would end when a moderator (or a "master") marked one answer correct. Simply letting people vote for the ones they liked could also work, if the system applied that forward. That is, if you liked my very-linguistic explanations in the first ten lessons, then my explanations for future lessons will be shown to you before anyone else's. But if Jane hates my explanations, then she won't see them at all in the future. More sophisticated is to determine that because you like my explanations, you'll like Jack's explanations too. This isn't rocket science to do, given enough data, but it's fairly advanced nevertheless.

4 years ago

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I see, that is basically a recommending system. I think that if it were coupled with something like Duolingo's progress quiz or Duolingo's aptitute test it could potentially yield very good results.

The thing is that they already have this data from "millions of reports". So one other option would be to subtly introduce users reports to other users as a multiple choice question within the lessons themselves. That would effectively create a hidden master ranking, and allocate more weight to their reports who could then add the applicable grammar rule to it.

I know there is the theory that users shouldn't be shown wrong sentences because they may learn it incorrectly, but I think if a user is advanced /proficient enough it wouldn't matter.

4 years ago

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I noticed those! Thanks so much! Great idea and good job.

4 years ago

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C'est génial, ça ! I just finished my tree, but you can bet I'll go back through every single lesson to see all the tips. Merci beaucoup pour cette nouvelle fonctionnalité !!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NietPiet

I find the notes very helpful. I was wondering if, in future, they might be available as downloadable PDF's...? Then one can refer back to them and do revision even when not online.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

We really need this for German. There are of course tips/notes already, though not for every skill and they are nowhere near as in-depth as the tips/notes you guys now have. I am tempted to start learning French now (just as a little side project for fun) because German grammar makes me want to commit Selbstmord and I just can't take doing it right now. I feel like my brain is melting.

4 years ago

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First of : I LOVE that notes are being added. THANK YOU all of the team behind what you are developing. However I need to ask:

Re AUDIO: When might you will be adding the 'click to hear an audio file'? This is EVER so important - as most people - initially - and probably fundamentally - want to be able to communicate by speaking and hearing what other people say. And THAT is one of the great gifts the internet has over a printed book - so flaunt it. ;) (of course in all the best taste ;) I like that in the " PHRASES Tips and Notes " you have included some " Romaji "(how to pronounce words using simple roman script). This does really help people also. I do hope that you though add in as soon as possible that you can click on all the french words and hear an audio file. It is great work that you are doing. Thank you again.

4 years ago

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Hi Linda! You're very welcome, and let me also thank you for your great contributions in the forum! As far as the sound goes,we explored this option, but we seem to have no way of playing sound files using links or anything like that. The formatting limitations for the tips & notes really limits what we can do.

I agree with you that having some basic sound files for French phonemes is critical, and we're looking into alternative solutions. Perhaps we'll just have to link to some other page. If you have any ideas, please let me know! =)

4 years ago

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Having audio is a very big issue in learning to communicate in a language. I think your idea of having a 'standard' « French phonemes » - in text - is a great idea. And also that the symbols for what sounds these « French phonemes » indicate should ideally be based on the standard roman/latin alphabet. The main exception to this is :
The accents used with the letter e. This is the accents use with the e does indicate a change in sound. Being:
- * l'accent aigu (m) : é , as in le café , and is often described as an « ay » sound.
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l'accent grave (m) : è , like « eh » , as in le procès
- while e, makes a sound « euh » type sound
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la cédille :ç ,makes a « s » as in le façade
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la ligature : œ , as in un œil , le bœuf
- And also ë , ï , ü and ÿ , where
le tréma* indicates in french there are two vowel sounds said one after the other. (ie such as for Noël
I would suggest using these standard french accent words - especially when they also appear in the french word - as this also assists learning to read french and pronounce the words.
In my research to date, all the other use of accents helps with identifying the meaning of the word, or have historical contexts - and the other accents marks used do not indicate a change in how a letter is said.
And of course to clearly state that the pronunciation is based on the 'official' Parisian pronunciation.
It would also be GREAT to develop an 'activity' that worked through these sounds - helping people read and say the standard phonetic sounds in french.
Of course you then go on to the unique nasal and guttural sounds - not in English, and the rolling/guttural sound of the r.

Another advantage of developing a standardized and simplified « French phonemes » is that this also is a great tool to boost learning. As sound information is presented also in a written form, not just in an audio form. I would of course LOVE to also see where you could click on words and hear audio. But one must work with what can be achieved, within resources available. And working just in text is a constraint that can have advantages if it enables these textual clues and supports to be developed.
:)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cruise2525

I definitely could use some grammar notes with some of these lessons. I want to understand why things are said as they are as much as possible. Sometimes it's just done that way too.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ValentinSebenik

The most difficult for me is spelling, because English, French and Spanish have doubles, like mm, ll, pp, and so on... My mother tongue is Slovenian has generally no doubles, and you write down all the vowels and consonants just the way you hear them, no one is mute, like in English. Nobody would ask you, how to spell, except for foreigners and those who have some speech defect.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimSCasey

try to divide information up in small bits, with an example after each bit. For example, in the notes for using liaisons, the note refers to nasal sound, but then makes exceptions for en un on. A better way would be to say in the note: " Liaisons are used nasal sounds like " (insert best example)" The exceptions un on en, (insert another example for this). Also, in teaching the sounds of things an added feature of clicking an aural example would be very helpful. that said, I am delighted with the addition of this feature, and all your work and contributions. Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zydekona

This is excellent, I really appreciate the ability to understand the big picture. It can be pretty confusing. BTW I was with a group of native French speakers yesterday and they were VERY impressed with what I have learned in four months using Duolingo. I get a lot of enjoyment and have learned SO much from your site. Merci!

4 years ago

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Thank you! Very helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kgor33

Thank you very much, the notes are very helpful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Finneganegan

Sorry if this has been addressed in an earlier comment, but 716 is a lot to look through. Does this mean that the grammar notes will eventually make their way down the tree, eventually reaching things like subjunctive and gerund?

Cause I see a lot of notes for early lessons, but later lessons with more complicated concepts are missing notes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JimmieFelidae

Grammar notes are really nice and helpful. Thank you, Duolingo guys!

Many says that these notes looks huge and would scare off beginners. But I feel it is fine when reviewing the material after passing the first checkpoint. Grammar notes are really helpful but in my view should be kept locked to beginners until they reach some checkpoints. It is much easier for beginners to feel the grammar than read it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/llama.leah

This is exactly what I need to help understand. I think it is very well done; not too much, not too little. Great examples help clarify. I do wish I could see in the android app.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tobotimus

I found these notes great! Straight to the point, really direct, well summarised and well set out with examples. One suggestion is linking to/ including explanations of umlauts and accents. Thanks, I appreciate your work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrigidWallace

The grammar notes were an easy review for anyone who has a background in the language. For a beginner the explanation was good as it was compared to the English language.

4 years ago

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excellent idea, very well applied keep the good work, thanks!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vvtrinh

merci beaucoup!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nikitakimba

This is a great start! Well done!!

I think the lack of grammar notes was one of my biggest complaints. Often it wasn't addressed in the comments section, and you can find plenty of examples where someone has asked a reasonable question which has remained unanswered.

Having notes at the start may reduce some of the bulk of questions in the discussions, too (I'm thinking of ones I see regularly like "how do I know if it's C'est or Il est????)

Based on my recollections of having to search elsewhere for information, may I offer the following comments from the Basics 1 notes?

*"All nouns have a gender that you must memorize." This is a difficult concept for some English native speakers....... Can you point out that these are called articles? That is, point out that the gender correlates with a corresponding article. On reading this paragraph, I found myself thinking so if "une apple" is feminine, how do I know that? What tells us that "une apple" is feminine? And then I wondered how do I know what the male equivalent of that is?

*Can you add a quick explanation of countable / uncountable nouns? From discussions, there seems to be a lot of confusion over these.

*"Verbs in French conjugate to different forms to agree with the subject of the sentence. " If you don't know what conjugate means, you might look it up, to be told "give different forms of a verb". The sentence is then understood (or not) as "Verbs in French give different verb forms to different forms....."

Perhaps you could simply say "Verbs in French conjugate (adopt different forms) to agree.... etc.

Also, what about defining subject? From discussions, this too causes initial confusion. I suspect a lot of native English speakers can speak English fluently and correctly, but would give you a blank stare if you asked them who or what the subject of the sentence was, and you need to know this to conjugate the correct verb form.

Eg. The apple is bad. The apples are bad.

If presented with a verb conjugation chart, I am given options for je / tu / il / nous / vous / ils (I, you, he, we, you, they). How do I know which conjugation to use if I don't know what a subject is?

I think having access to the notes before you begin a lesson is good. I'd have liked to read them (even if they didn't make much sense) before starting a lesson, even if to give me a sense of what I'd be learning!

4 years ago

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Thanks for this detailed feedback! I'll take it into consideration. As for countable/uncountable, the explanation is in "Food".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/llama.leah

Within Count Noun, Mass Noun, or Both; I was hoping to find an explanation as to why des is translated to some and other times it is ignored.

I would also suggest, perhaps within basics 1, an alphabet phonics option. Being able to correctly pronounce the basic sounds will allow to speak properly. As I teach my babies to talk, they first practice sounds, then words. French is new to me as is any language to a baby.

4 years ago

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Des can be translated to "some" or omitted because that's a flexibility we have in English. French doesn't have that flexibility.

As far as phonetic tables go, there are a few in the bonus skills, but we don't have a great way of linking actual sound recordings, and text-based phonetic explanations only go so far. I'd highly recommend seeking out other sources for that, like videos on YouTube or audio courses like Michel Thomas'.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/llama.leah

Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarkDjinaj

Maybe I'd be useful if you provide some examples in the "ending-patterns-to-tell-a-word-gender-part" in Animals subsection!

4 years ago

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I'm finding these extremely useful! As a suggestion I do hope that there will be a dropdown at the bottom of the notes for FAQs since there will always be questions.The conjugation of a word as part of it's definition is also extremely useful!

4 years ago

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I appreciate your effort! It really helps a lot when we forget the rules.

Just one suggestion: If the site could create a tips/notes section for each language, it would be a lot better. It's annoying to have us clicking into different lessons just to read the tips. (I know it's not up to you guys, but let's hope that duo will introduce the function soon.)

Merci beaucoup!

4 years ago

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We've discussed this option, and I'm not sure if it will be implemented. I like the idea, but there currently isn't really any place on Duo that would be suitable for it. After all, Duo's generally designed to avoid extensive grammar discussions. If you're interested in reinforcing grammar specifically, I'd recommend getting a proper French grammar and going through it.

That being said, maybe I can post them somewhere else in a commingled form once they're all done. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for your input!

4 years ago

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I think a better idea is that once the grammar tips are all compiled, it could be uploaded to immersion. That way you can have access to permalinks(anchors) since each sentence is itself a permalink, and this would be perfect to refer students in discussions.

For example, if I want to refer to a particular part of the ICG, I'd simply use line 3. This is a very efficient way to refer to just about anything in those guidelines, and would be a perfect way to stop repeating the same answers in sentence discussions. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elikon96

I have got to say, this is simply great. thank you so very much.

4 years ago

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loving them! Thanks so much team :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeslieSandra

English actually has three present tenses: simple, progressive, and emphatic (I do love).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/foxtrotwhiskey9

Great work DXLi. I think the early descriptions are a bit too long and overwhelming for a new user. Though no one is forced to use them, which makes that OK. I would really like to see more of those little blurbs of grammatical information that you see when you encounter a new concept for the first time in early lessons. Can more be done on your end to add such things? They are extremely lacking in lessons past the first checkpoint.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlleyPerkins_98

Awesome! Very simple and easy to understand. Your notes leave no room for confusion!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JuanMousset

Thanks! these notes are really helpful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tinagazo

Very helpful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HL081001

Would it be possible to have every word that you would learn in Basic's 1-4 is written down with its definition and everything in order that we learn them on the way???.............love learning french:)...............

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stillveron

These grammar notes are very useful and helpful! It gives a picture of the lesson learned! Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Johmust

Slightly off the point but is there any chance that your word lists could include the gender? ie la pomme, le chat and so on. That would be very useful..

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jujubalovessauro

I liked the grammar, it really helps us to understand better! Thank you for posting it, please keep posting!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HenriMaes

I'm finding them very useful, thank you for making them available.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/uk712

i like the interface of this site.....it's like someone is teaching you live....

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dsimonds

Just read the notes on liaisons, and I thought it would have been helpful to have specific examples of the "forbidden liaisons" along with the general descriptions of such liaisons.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PhamTramAnh

Hello, I'm working on the French Possessives 1. There is an example that says "Ton abeille". As I understand "une abeille" is a feminine noun, should it be "ta abeille"? Please help to clarify further on this case. Thank you very much.

4 years ago

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Right below that section, it says "For the sake of euphony, all singular feminine possessives switch to their masculine forms when followed by a vowel sound."

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElFFELTOWER

That's nice

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/naenaepie

it would be great if the notes included some basic notes on pronunciation, especially since french pronunciation is so weird. Because of the simulated robot voice, for example, it is impossible to know that there is a difference in pronunciation between "Le" and "les"

4 years ago

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We share the same problem. I started French after Italian and it's extremely difficult for me to adapt.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xLuvableMuffinx

Thank U =^.^=

4 years ago

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I just wanted express how glad I came to the discussion room and saw that these tips existed! Recently ma soeur et moi, were discussing what was missing on DUO, and I have gotten soooo much from the site, it was hard for me to really criticize...but finally I settled on the fact that each lesson was not really explained very well anywhere. I just sort of launched or have always launched into each lesson and figured it out as I go through it. I use DUO on a small netbook, and I honestly didn't know that those tips were down there, until I read through DXLi's and Dessamator and some other's posts below, that these great grammer tips where there, because they weren't shown on the screen, where I could see them. SO...now I have gone and checked them out and it makes me want to go back and start from the very beginning, reading the tips as I redo each lesson, and see if these make a difference in how I am learning. My feedback is that depending on what a person is using to view the info on DUO, he/she may not ever even know those great tips are there...and perhaps there could be some sort of 'roadsign' above that lets he/she user know that these are below, and to go down and at least look for them. I think something like that was mentioned by Dessamator below, and I think it would really help if there was a note at the top, telling one to look below...so they dont get missed. (longest run-on ever)

On an unrelated note, I would love to see DUO have a way to skype and have discussions areas for people who want to talk to other speakers who want to learn the converse language. Something like...English speakers who want to speak French, practicing with French speakers who want to speak better English.

Thanks for all you guys are doing with the fantastic site. I really do love it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mecassid

I like the grammar notes, but I wish I could get to them outside the lesson for review. I also would like to find a review for the words in each lesson. I'm trying to make my own flashcards (since there are limited ways to review the flashcards on here) and I'd like to review words based on the lesson I just learned.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mecassid

I know I'm commenting on my own, but they changed it and it looks great! So wonderful to see it all on one page! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dwb5173

Merci beaucoup! I've been a casual student of the French language since my college days. This is the most succinct explanation of basic rules I've ever seen.

4 years ago

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These notes are fantastic! Merci beaucoup!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stramae

I am handwriting all of these notes in my old-fashioned notebook. This helps me to understand and retain the content I am studying.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Musaab.Hamid

merci beaucoup

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/La-Ranita

So many helpful tips!!! Thanks so much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CaliSurfer

Notes are great! Concise and easy to follow. Love it!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ca429502

I LOVE the grammar notes. As a new French student, they are a MAJOR help! Have a wonderful day monsieur, madame, or mademoiselle! MERCI!

COA!!! :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Flaviadmgs

Thank you. I'm loving it. I'm from Brazil and speak english, portuguese and a little bit of spanish, and learning french was my dream, now it's possible! I'm learning french through english and it's complicated sometimes. Have you though about french lessons in portuguese? :P Anyways, I'm really loving it, the grammar notes are really good :D Thanks!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/malangali

Thank you for the grammar notes. This comment is from a web design perspective: grey text on a grey background? It is not very easy to read, and would probably be quite difficult/ impossible for people with visual impairments. Please consider tweaking the background/ text to have higher contrast.

4 years ago

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Awesome, thanks so much.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jsrozner

Please add pronunciations everywhere there's a french word (i.e. any French word anywhere should be clickable to hear how it's pronounced).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelaGJ1

The notes are excellent. Just the right length and easy to follow. Carry on with them like that. I find them helpful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/believe321

this is so cool

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sswaid6

EXCELLENT IDEA

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JoshuaFive

Is there a way to integrate the grammar notes with the lesson? Doing the lesson is easier than to just read the grammar notes because the pace is progressive but I would like to know the grammar rules of the language while keeping that progressive flow. Thanks.

4 years ago

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Hi Joshua! For various reasons, that's not an option at this time. Sorry!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/monder232

thank you

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kstiggy10

thats great! I will be sure to tell my friend who does french with me and I will be sure to LOVE it!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LindaFergu2

Hello , I find these notes very helpful as im just earning a new language .

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/agirlwhowrites

Simple and easily understood. Keep up the good work! I love this!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DeeAlain

Partitives, articles, definite articles, etc.? -- talk ENGLISH! Only English majors would know what you're talking about! Drop the grammar lingo and speak on a common man's level. Or just forget the notes altogether, because they don't mean anything to us if we can't understand them.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vicky555328

Have just read the BANGS mnemonic and found it really really useful - it helped to clarify this for me so thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cavatefernanda

two thumbs up!! very well explained :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/crazymom45

I have been studying french for decades (slow learner, I guess). I have never had an explanation for where an adjective is placed and why. It finally makes sense.

I'm enjoying all the notes and tips. They're clear and informative.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidEsdaile

I really appreciate the grammar sections. I have to knowthe patterns for the language to make sense.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jockamoe3

Thank you so much for the grammar notes. They do help very much AND they also help with understanding of my own language. They are definitely a good review for THAT!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kmundkur

thanks alot it helps

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/howard10000

I noticed - Well done!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/weihan2013

good tips

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/granmoun

very helpful. Thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ncressman

These are a really big help -- Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/UTILISTA
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Thank you very much. You are doing a great job, I am not a native english speaker but with your explanations everything become clear and understandable. Keep doing.

4 years ago

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I'm a beginner in French but I did Spanish and German courses before. I must say this tree has the best and the most helpful grammar notes of all of them. Merci beacoup et continuez votre bon travail !

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/linabe23

nice french translation

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lasp2005

I think you should put down more tips. They are helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/linabe23

I loved French since I was young and just learnt the basics and this has been soo helpful to me because I can now make fuller sentences that are grammatically correct. Thereforem I think it would be a great idea to have the grammar notes. Thanks DUOLINGO!!!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Immesh

I'm a Sri Lankan, currently living and working in Muscat, Oman. The other day i met a lady at a shop and learned that she was from Morocco and speaks French. Even though i am still in my beginner stages in the lessons I thought I'd give a try and speak to her in French. The lady was impressed. I obviously struggled for words and put in English words as fill-ins. The overall conversation went well. I'm now motivated and driven to learn this language to the extent i could communicate,read and understand fluently. Thanks to Duolingo Team!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mahnaz56

The tips were quite helpful,t hank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leeyentan

Great job on the notes, I think they really help us understand better when we learn the languages! =)

4 years ago

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it the best thing i've ever found. thanks a lot

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amavi14

The grammar notes for this section ("plurals") are sorely lacking. The topic itself is quite simple but there are new grammar structures which have yet to be addressed in the grammar notes. What about including some information on asking questions in the Manges-tu format, also about fixing the "English translation" for sentences using the "of" property of des because it makes almost zero sense to say it that way in English. Please give grammar explanations because without them, there is not enough context to guess the "correct" answer except by memorizing the individual awkward answers that are permissible, and checking the comments for any scrap of advice.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Deb_Duo_France

I enjoyed the grammar notes very much. They were very clearly presented and were a refresher for me. THANKS!

4 years ago

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Thnks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/natalia.br14

that s great, the first time i did this lesson I wasn't able to understand why sometimes is used a male possessive for a woman, but now is clear. Thanks a lot

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tam-Than

it is wonderful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LaurenStockton

Really useful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LoisRoberts

Helpful. More examples, perhaps.

4 years ago

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I've seen them. The notes are very useful for my learning. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lafayste

This is a great job. it really helps. keep up please!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EugenP
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Incredible! 5 years in french class and nobody told me some of the thinks thatI've learned here! So many things make sense now! Good job!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zemoGLiiiizzzz

I think the notes are great!! I mostly log on using a desktop, notes are helpful without being too much. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/khalid001

very well explained in simple words

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mickisf

This is very helpful. Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kingsley.tracy

Love this feature. But the left side of it does not appear on my monitor, and I can't scroll to the left. I cut and paste the whole thing to a text editor so I can see it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenWelsh

Excellent. I find your course very easy to follow and it progresses naturally. I do notice occasionally that you put in something that has not been revealed at that point. For example "votre" was used as a correct alternative in the exercise for singular possessive pronouns. It could be a deliberate ploy. Overall: Excellent. Thanks so much.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lary890

Amazing notes, easy to understand. Keep up the good work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/khogal

awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks so much

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinNissen

The notes and tips clarify the points I don't quite get. Thanks so much for this.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/naomilrose

It would be good if there was a whole grammar notes section just like the words page, so I do not have to go to each lesson to read up on notes. Or something like https://www.duolingo.com/comment/4614759 but a little more detailed like the notes under the lesson

4 years ago

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The team has discussed this idea, and while I'm in favor of such a feature, we don't have any plans to implement it. However, once the grammar notes are done, maybe we'll find a way to post it somewhere for easy reading.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/naomilrose

That'd be great, thanks. So far I've found them really helpful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WarrenWlice

I like the grammar notes. They are a good length, stopping just about the time my brain says, "No more."

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsmarks

wow, I loved the notes, VERY VERY VERY helpful... thanks so much for that1 Keep up with the good work! I'm telling all my friends to try Duolingo!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dashesofsugar

Thank you for what you do! youre the best <3

4 years ago

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Is it not possible to enclose the grammar tips as pdf? They will be easier to read and exercise.

4 years ago

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I was looking at the grammar notes for the color module (that page does not seem to have a link to comment on its notes) and am confused because they state that orange and marron do not become pluralised, but in the word list for lesson 2 the words oranges and marrons are listed, though these words don't seem to appear in the actual lesson. Am I missing something?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Hi DXLi, thanks so much to you and the team for the grammar notes (very concise and right on point). As I am sure others have pointed out:

  • Please add grammar notes to the skills later in the tree.
  • These forums need pagination - this thread is too long and can slow down Firefox (also, over 2MB of js and almost 1MB of css?).

Mostly wanted to say thanks and you have the balance just right - there is plenty of material on the web that is more detailed and we don't need that here, IMO. A concise and accurate companion to the skill is parfait.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnjaKern

Please have always the french article with the noun. It would be so easy to remember easier if we always see and hear the article with nouns. Even when pairing up....,

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AwesomeStarr

Moderator?????

4 years ago

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He helps keep Duolingo awesome but he doesn't get paid or anything.

4 years ago

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Haha, yeah, that's the gist of it! It's a labor of love. We answer questions, look at reports, fix errors in exercises, and all that good stuff.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ThatOneKidJosh

Egocentric. No, I'm just kidding. :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AwesomeStarr

Oh cool! I didn't know that people worked for Duolingo.

4 years ago

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If there were no people that worked for Duolingo there would be no Duolingo. Here's the duolingo info page: https://www.duolingo.com/info

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ThatOneKidJosh

Did someone else really give you 24 lingots?! Also, for that info page, is there an age requirement to join?

4 years ago

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I have no idea why I got 24 lingots... kristinemc said that you have to be 13 to use duolingo.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LilPeterPan

Wellll, kinda buuuut it's kind of ignored.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shipu23

seriously? why?

4 years ago

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Nothing is completely self sustaining.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shipu23

what does sticky mean i see at the top of some discussions

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/broconuts

Sticky means a post will stay on the front page for a few days so people can see. Sticky posts are usually for important stuff like announcements, such as this one.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shipu23

oh ok. thanks.

4 years ago

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Awesome! Read the Basics 1 Tips & Notes, and very explanatory for the beginning users!

Great job! Looking forward to more! Merci beaucoup French team! :)

4 years ago

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Hello I want to say something since this is something "BIG"!!

When I first started my french tree from Spanish (it was still in beta) there was not much explanations about the exercises and I noticed some other courses (mainly for English speakers) had this tips and tricks sections and I thought that was fantastic. This is information is necessary if you really are into learning any language and I'm sure I'm not the only one who used different resources to study these things. But:

Even though these are simple and basic rules, it is pure grammar. After being here on DL for a few months I think I understood why teaching pure grammar is not one of the main goals of this platform, the immersive type of teaching really works and some may consider it more "friendly".

At first, it looks like "too much" information. I'm aware that it is very complex to divide each explanation for each individual lesson and it is better to have all the info, but going this direction could detract from this immersive factor that, I'm sure, fits better most people.

Don't get me wrong, I totally love this because this way you can now really learn the language. I took a look at every lesson and even learned some interesting things doing a quick read. The info is better organized that some pretty good sources I've found (and it makes sense because it is focused on this specific course).

What I suggest is that this info is not given before starting the skills but after finishing them, like a review for a better understanding of what you just learned with the exercises. This way it can be an option for people to choose whether or not they want to study this because I agree that many info can scare you before even starting. I believe the lessons are progressive enough to be able to understand most of it using the current basic resources, translations and discussion section.

I'm sure not that much info would be needed as you progress in the lessons because starting is the most difficult but if you carry this up to the top of the tree many holes in comprehension would be filled and you would have a much better level at the language when you finish your tree.

Thanks for taking this step, I'm sure it is in the right direction and be sure I'll follow updates. =)

4 years ago

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Ah here, giving the information after having done the lesson would be the most fustrating thing in the world! If one spent a large amount of time trying to figure out some rule, such as why it is 'au/ al' instead of 'a le/ a el", only to have it pop-up in a handy explaniation at the end, when you would have been delighted with having it before begining, you'd go mad!

I completely see where you are coming from, but I do not think that your proposed solution is a good one. Perpahs a better solution would be to have the tips and notes as is, but make it clear to people that it is only semi-optional extra information, and that they do not 'need' to read it all in advance of the lesson.

That way, people would be able to make the option of 'text-book' style learning, or 'immersion' style learning, as it suits them individually.

4 years ago

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I get your point but I'm sure you won't be "lost" without this information, at least up until now the course has been pretty good as it is. Resources as the discussion section helps clearing up most of the questions you have and the time you spend trying to figure out what something means is the time it takes to read comments and answers here, and I personally believe making mistakes is important in a learning process.

Either way this is a personal point of view and a suggestion, not really a solution since I don't think this is a problem.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dumbo_235

good idea!

4 years ago

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Merci!

4 years ago

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Great. Thanks for all the work.

4 years ago

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YAY! Saw these for dutch but was disappointed they werent on french

4 years ago

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'"Conversely, an aspirate H doesn't participate in elisions or liaisons. It's usually found at the beginning of loan words from German or other languages. Pay attention to this when learning new vocabulary."

Basic 1 -- examples would be helpful here. Thanks!!

4 years ago

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Added an example. Thanks!

EDIT: Here's a list of common ones: http://french.about.com/od/pronunciation/a/h_3.htm

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/psujatav

"To find them, open a skill (e.g. Basics 1) and look below the lessons." should read as "To find them, open a skill (e.g. Basics 1) and look at the top right corner (Tips and notes + )."

4 years ago

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You have the new beta version of the site's layout =)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/psujatav

oh okay

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/snorrepaatopp

Hooray! Well done!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shabzillaa

For a beginner this seems overwhelming. I would have more examples and have more subdivisions. Jumping right into conjugations and THEN talking about exemptions just confuses the student more.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LesJohn

I don't agree. Some of us need more information, rather than less. We all learn differently. I'd rather get conjugations throughout, as this is the way people communicate, using full sentences, which necessitates verb usage and conjugation, in many tenses.

4 years ago

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LesJohn, I agree with you that we all learn differently, and also we also learn differently ourselves at different times of our learning journey. No one reference will provide you with the knowledge needed to learn a language. These brief Grammar notes are fantastic, and they give me new insights. However I would like to see a plethora of "sensai" explanations, of different people with the ability to explain things in different ways. These official notes - I believe are fantastic if they are very short - and just highlight some important points and insights that may assist you in passing that "skill".
For more specific questions and information, that cover all sorts of interesting queries and insights - people get to ask them within the sentence comment section itself.
They do not need to be masters already of the language (as I, for example am not), but that can provide explanations that make sense to others. And to be in an environment - such as Duolingo, that if they are not correct - that those with greater mastery can correct and deepen the discussion - for the benefit of that person who explained something, and the benefit of others who read the post.
To this end - I have created my own reference - that I call "my" learning loom . and I actively encourage others to create their own references. And I will also gladly create links to others reference records.
This is one of the great advantages of this new world in its ability to share knowledge.
And this can also be done within the framework of duolingo :)
So if you would like to start also adding to the wealth of learning - also check out here - Duolingo - creating Links, Webs, Mats, looms

And I continue to look forward to our wealth of information expanding. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Riley86

Fantastic implementation. I've gone back through all the lessons to look at the tips and hints. I will say though that the first lesson, all the information can be a bit overwhelming. Might be worth cutting it down, I downloaded the app from Google Play and did the first lesson as a taster, loved it and carried on. I think, personally, if I had read all the hints and tips first, I may have been put off as it is a lot to digest.

4 years ago

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Thanks for this valuable feedback. I'm taking a look now, and I think it's possible to push some of that stuff to later. I agree that it'd be better to keep the early notes as short as possible.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/reikidoc

For those of us who work in airports for TSA, we could use some phrases and sentences that we can use with passengers who are French speakers (Spanish, Japanese, etc.). I'm taking actual French studies, and do find this a helpful site! The one course I'm taking on line doesn't allow me to hear them pronounce sentences in French. I can hear the folks here (but for beginners, the pronouners are a little too fast. I like this site, thus far. Dr. Elizabeth King, DCH

4 years ago

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These are fantastic, essentially the missing piece of a complete education through Duolingo!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carmenkakaa

I saw the grammar notes. It is really useful for me. While taking the normal duolingo exercises, sometimes I want to spend some time and revise. And having the grammar notes is a good way to remind myself on what I learned. Maybe I'm asking for too much but it would be great if we can have other notes as well, e.g. vocab table. Also, I think the notes will be more useful for people who have completed the course (e.g. Basic 1). Because it is a bit difficult to understand if I haven't taken the course. But anyhow, I love Duolingo, and thank you so much for making this great app :)

4 years ago

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We can't add vocab tables to the grammar notes, unfortunately, but I think that the Duo product team is beta-testing a flashcard functionality that can help you reinforce specific words quickly.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreaLRMarsh

I found the notes on adjectives very helpful! Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bjwillo

The grey text is hard to read. Please consider replacing it with a color with more contrast. Like black. Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/e-Xcat

Good work! Keep going for the next skills.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LittleConartist

Merci! These really help!

4 years ago

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Thank you, thank you for this. I'm sure they'll be very useful, even if they're a work in progress.

4 years ago

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I'm really enjoying this ap. It is a refresher course for me so far but I hope I can handle the next lessons . Merci beaucoup.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Naomi242729

thank you for the notes. very helpful.

4 years ago

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Great! I can't wait for the notes for Pronouns 2, those lessons still confuse me.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lyragsd

I found the notes very helpful with just the right amount of information. Thanks very much for providing these!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MateuszKap2

Awesome idea. Well done. Do you can do some tips for questions?

4 years ago

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The first draft of the tips for Questions is done, but it's not quite ready for release yet. Sorry, and thanks for being patient!

4 years ago

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Thank you and the team very much for this new wonderful addition! I find them extremely useful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/unelangue

I like the notes. I am not sure if they only exist for Basics1. More hints to navigate the home page would be good.

How do I get to notes on the iPhone?

Are the lessons different online vs iPhone? They appear to be quite different.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sardar.hamad

very nice notes, i like it too much because it gives enough details, really good organized.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NEEMAAGARW

they are very helpful. thanks

4 years ago

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The Pronouns and the Prep. things are quite hard for me. could be nice if they got split into easier ones , and more interesting ones as well.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sulincampbell

1) Thanks VERY MUCH for the new grammar notes and tips. I find them very useful. I started Duolingo French a few months ago as a beginner (now am at Level 8), and I find that having the notes/tips now available has been a great way for me to review the material. The notes also point the way to beginning to generalize about, and to discern rules regarding, grammar and usage. 2) It's hard to say if it is too much to have the notes/tips from the very start. I would say it depends on how much language-learning experience the student has. Probably would have been helpful for me, as I have studied other languages. 3) I loved your example of Napoleon as "un grand homme" and not "un homme grand"! That's the type of example that really helps one to remember the rules, which at times seem to be overwhelming. Thank you all for your good work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jana.tenax

Nice and clear, thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sue102

Thank you for adding this feature. Extremely helpful to understand some of the rules that are not always apparent, and often zing us as we move through the regular lessons.

4 years ago

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Is it on the pocket edition for ipad

4 years ago

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Love it, love it! Thanks a bunch and keep up the good work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MzMolly65

I have nothing to contribute but just want to say THANK YOU to a hard working bunch of people who I greatly appreciate!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daniel007

I think the grammar notes are very helpful, I am very very grateful for them

4 years ago

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j'adore francais

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RohitAgraw3

This is really cool my kids are enjoying to learn french please give more lesson on grammar as well as meaning of words.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sere_41

hi! explanations are perfect! there's just some problem with line-spacing in some of them, if you want to fix it, to help the reading. thanks!

4 years ago

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The difference between an enchainment and a liason isn't very clear

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NCIS-

That's awesome!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rakhimebrams

really really helpful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/venetoblu

Wow! Total beginner here and so much to learn. I appreciate the tips and notes, refer to them before, during and after doing the lessons. Now I have found this page, I have so much more to read and digest. Thanks to all of the contributors to this page.

4 years ago

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Helpful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorydonH.M

Thank you for explaining the grammar in simple, yet technical terms. It's brilliant!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Savriel

I just discovered this feature today and I love it! There were a lot of things included that I'd been having trouble with and struggling to form standardized rules for. Thank you sooo much for making these.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kennymat1

Why is the "s" pronounced in the expression "plus tard"? Why would there be liaison here?

4 years ago

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There's no liaison. Liaisons can only occur when an ending consonant is followed by a beginning vowel sound. This is something different entirely. The word plus is special. When it's used to mean "more", then the S is sounded. When it means "less" (e.g. in a negation), then the S is silent.

C'est bizarre, mais c'est la vie!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kennymat1

Ah hah..so if I said, for example, "il n'est pas plus grand qu'elle" you would not pronounce the "s"?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sharongil

Very helpful!

4 years ago

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Thank you so so much for this! I'm trying to learn French on Duolingo with some colleagues and family members and this will surely help us out!

4 years ago

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Thanks a lot :)

4 years ago

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It would also definitely be helpful if there was a pronounciation guide in the first basic or something early so people can speak better. I'm also hoping for a FAQ's dropdown since there are so many comments on some answers and that dropdown part of the note could answer them.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KitoBrandt

Really looking forward to the notes the French team puts out. Team Irish has been providing excellent notes, so if Team French followed something similar, it would be amazing! Keep up the good work.

4 years ago

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thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adarusha

The notes are great keep them coming!! Merci :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/natalia_intl

I am already enjoying the tips and notes, as well as those "A ha!" moments of comprehension. Merci beaucoup!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PapaVums

Absolutely FANTASTIC! Merci Beaucoup!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PhysTech

Thank you very much. Merci beaucoup. خیلی ممنون

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adnan_M

Hello, I just wanted you to know that I think that it would be more useful for you to make the grammar notes more easier to understand as when I read them, I become confused by them

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/damscott

Excellent addition.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mtitievsky

Maybe someone has said this, but haven't seen it just yet. These notes are VERY helpful but my screen is smaller so I'd love to see a collapsible menu or a way to scroll through easily...or even be able to bookmark or highlight certain notes within duolingo for tricky concepts. THANKS DUOLINGO, you make me so happy.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shweetu

thanx they help a lot

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChristinaGrassi

I am a complete beginner in French. I think the notes are very useful, informative and of the right lenght.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CCNascimento

I hope that a humble "Thank you" is enough for all your hard work. That said, 'thank you', and thank you very much so!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/willijanb

This is really exciting! I am currently taking (again) a beginning French course (which is so far excellent but really easy) and studying an advanced beginner's grammar book. This new feature on Duolingo will give me a reason to use its lessons again and will be another source of practice and learning. Plus, I may now be able to recommend Duo to rank beginners in French. Thank you so much for listening!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PatriciaSa122

Awesome, helps a lot

4 years ago

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Excellent notes--thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ngiamom
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Perfect ! It 's very useful and help us very much !!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Davis8988

Awsome :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mychallenge

Many thanks for your work.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaphneWinifred

Thank you so much for these extra notes which are extremely helpful. Please continue with them.

4 years ago

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The notes have helped me immensely in understanding the concepts. Keep up at it and thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/birtles1010

Re aspirate H on French notes - there are also place names such as Le Havre, Le Mans - au Havre, au Mans, countries eg La Hollande What an excellent idea - so useful if you are starting a language from ground zero

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aws2007

Grammar note were very good and usefull, I hope to do well for the nextsession, I like French language "Adorer" :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpasco42

Will you be putting up grammar notes throughout the entire tree or only up to a certain checkpoint?

4 years ago

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All skills will eventually have notes, but I'm not sure about how long it'll take.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marozols

It is really great that notes are available for the lessons! The only thing I noticed that could be improved is the formatting of the notes -- it seems that consistently there is not vertical space immediately after unnumbered lists (this can probably be fixed by a simple CSS command). Also, the notes are quite substantial, but the window to read them is very tiny -- it would make sense to show them in a bigger window or even full-screen..

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lotusflower21

Hi there Duolingo French learners, Recently, I joined the Duolingo website and created an account. I must say, the grammar notes have been especially helpful to me. I'm learning French at school, and I'm not that rat at learning the grammar rules but thanks toDuolingo grammar notes, I'm getting better. Thanks again, lotusflower21

4 years ago

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Thank you for all your hard work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/relleke

Very helpful. Some things, such as "Why no elision after <tu> have been a puzzle to me. So, okay, just another strange example of illogical usage.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChandlerDo

I really enjoy the grammar notes and am very excited that I noticed this article. I would love if the grammar notes where all compiled in one place instead of just under the topics. I would read through and study them more!

4 years ago

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Thanks, this will help me catch up with my french! Au revoir!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marshpeters

I really like the notes. I like the topics covered and some things are explained in a way I haven't heard before. I only had trouble finding them. I found them once and then couldn't figure out for a bit how to access them. Thanks for a quality product.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keziahisito

explain please the french translation of the black cat. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bindu.ice

Duolingo is a fab website for learning different languages . The flow of the site should be based on basic tutorials and followed by the tests and rating . Right now , the flow is just like a memory game where in remember the word meaning and get cleared . We dont have any such mechanism of going back and recollecting previous words . Providing basic material and iterative based learning will be great approach i guess !!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Akram.Ahmad

i totally agree with you and hope so

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/valmir.nas

Great explanation

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/relleke

Very helpful. Just right for me - intermediate. Reminders of what I should know by now (!) but have forgotten or muddled a bit.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dorisslick

The grammar notes are wonderful...the site continues to improve. Of all my language programs, Duolingo is my favorite. Merci beaucoup!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lefulmer27

These have been really helpful. They definitely clear up some questions I've been having. Thanks for your contribution!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeMappelThanh

pardon, i dont see any note in this discussion. Can someone tell me where to find it?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wrenbob
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The first five lessons so far great grammar lessons. They can be found under to tests.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/smykal

the grammar notes are a big help.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pamrobowarrier

if it does it would be great :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Huynh.Vy

It's very usefull, thanks a lot !

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joanpbg

Totally appreciate the notes as an adjunct. I have one suggestion but a big one. It would be easier to learn if you offer a single topic each time, ie numerals and plurals separately.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Destini2

This is very helpful with creating an accent

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RowleyCowper

These are a great addition... well done

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Opalanthem

Excellent, these are very helpful! Thankyou so much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sweetsiblings

well, this site i admire the most i am a french learner and this site is really helpful to me!! i love www.duolingo.com and i would not be leaving this till i have learned french i would like to learn more languages too

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pomp6peii

Thank you! You people have made learning french a fun and easy experience for me!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Janus8536

>Love is tricky in France. For people and pets, aimer means "to love", but if you add an adverb, like in aimer bien, it means "to like".< Yet, when I redid Basics 2 just now, DL accepted 'We like the cat' as translation for 'Nous aimons le chat'. In general though, these additional grammar notes are ever so welcome and greatly appreciated. My congratulations and thanks to the developers.

4 years ago

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In practice, aimer means "to love" for pets only, not for all animals. Since it's ambiguous here whether or not the cat is a pet, both "like" and "love" are accepted.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Janus8536

Ah, thank you for the clarification, DXLi. So noted.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlejandroR343495

Thank you for the notes, I find them very helpful and easy to understand

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wendy-O

These notes and tips are very helpful to me! I just wish they were on my iphone also.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/svaldesm

Thanks for this great notes, they are very useful, specially when you are a beginner like me. Some feedback: - the use of images maybe a very good thing when trying to learn some topics, like the pronouns - adding notes to some bonus skills may not be a good idea, considering that the bonus skills are bonus and a lot of people don't buy them - the possibility to add the same notes when you are learning (i've seen it some times) is very useful. I suppose it's very hard to implement, but if possible, when you have to use it right away in an example it sticks out for a longer time. Thanks again and I hope we can have more notes soon!

4 years ago

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It sounds very hard. Great to know and learn a new language. Thank you for your great helps at Duoligo :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KATY80RULZ

Wow I love this!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/funw1tht1ddy0gg1

Informative and understandable

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Johmust

Complicated but helpful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TeixeiraDiogo

Well made, my friend!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PeggyDean

These notes are very informative and helpful. It is a brush up for me, as I am rusty on the rules of grammar for the French language that I learned long ago.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KendallSamantha

I love the grammar notes! They are so helpful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cynalibo

The notes cleared up most of my questions tht were coming up while I practiced on my phone!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzoSpaghetti

Wow! That's so helpful. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tonikrsmer

I found the notes on Adjectives 1 very helpful. They answered questions I'd had but not expressed before.

4 years ago

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i am loving your website! merci beaucoup! it has everything! and the notes are a big big help!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mendes.Mary

I would find it helpful if you gave more detail and examples of euphony related to feminine adjectives.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SaloniSing1

The grammar notes are really good. Helped me a lot in clearing the concepts. Thanks..!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hemmoji

Can you develop understandable and analytical notes for the passe composse of etre and avoir? Also the conjugation of irregular verbs? It would mean a lot to me and my students. xx

4 years ago

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We'll get to this soon, I promise! For irregular verbs, there's some information about that in Verbs: Present 2, but we can't put in all the conjugation tables for the smaller groups because it'd take up too much room. Hopefully your students will memorize the patterns after enough practice.

As for passé composé, I'm guessing you mean auxiliary verbs? If that's the case, then être and avoir are auxiliary verbs in present-indicative form that agree with the subject. For instance, il a parlé and ils ont parlé.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/josesensei

Your Tips and Notes on Possessives, says,

"Possessives have different forms that agree with four things: the number of owners, the number of things owned, the gender of the thing owned, and the grammatical person of the owner (e.g. "his" versus "my")."

Are those four factors listed in order of priority?

4 years ago

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No, there's no priority or hierarchy involved. None of those four factors can conflict with each other.

4 years ago

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In "Verbs: Present 2" direct objects and indirect objects are explained. However, there's only an example for the direct objects. I would suggest an example for the indirect objects as well.

4 years ago

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Je parle à Jacques and Il téléphone à son ami include indirect objects.

4 years ago

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Very useful and interesting grammar tips, indeed. Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/paria2010shz

It was really useful. Thanks a lot!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slowfoodsmama

SO helpful for pronunciation. I have 2 years of post-secondary level french and this has been more helpful than all those classes combined. Love the phonetic tips with grammatical context.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wendyt1010

Hi, I notice you mention France in the tips. I am english-speaking Canadian taking this to brush up on the french I learned in school.
I know there are differences, but how different is France-french to Canadian-french? Where might the differences be? Thanks, Wendy

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NormaSPH

I love them, I wish we can have the same information in the mobile. Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenWelsh

Yes I found them very informative and clarified a doubt I had about Aimir being like or love. I wish I had read the explanation first.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kotrfa

Just great! Thank you

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gabriel_Atuatti

thak's a lot, just it

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kakoratyolo

thanks for the grammar help (:

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MinhMM

those grammar notes is useful and easy understand when in english

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tshenyca

will only if the grammar will help us in our reading

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/renedere

In the lesson for adjectives, (in French) the example for Napoleon is exactly vice-versa if I understand the BANGS rule correctly :). I quote the example: "For instance, Napoleon was un grand homme ("a great man"), but not un homme grand ("a tall man")."

4 years ago

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That's a reasonable deduction, but grand is just an odd duck. It's a normal BANGS adjective for everything but people. When it modifies people, then it means "important" when it comes before and "tall" when it comes after.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/renedere

merci beaucoup, je pense qui je compris

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ackworth

The grammar notes are very helpful. I do not now have to search through books, other courses, or dictionaries to find notes on grammar rules as I did doing DuoLingo Italian..

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rosemarchi

I realy loved the grammar notes. I'd like to ask one thing, maybe it's not the place to ask that, so I beg your forgiven. I like so much this site, but I'd like a French course for portuguese speakers. If some day it will be possible, I would thank you very much.

4 years ago

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Hi, Rosemary! It looks like French for Portuguese Speakers is currently hatching in the incubator. Maybe it'll come out in the near future! https://www.duolingo.com/courses/pt

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rosemarchi

That's OK. Thanks for the response.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MPasternak

Very useful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kafka2k

Excellent Notes!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pertti-juhani

Your notes are fine. But French grammar... I am a Finnish speaker, and always thought our grammar is complicated. Do not think so anymore. Our grammar is (fairly) systematic (as German grammar is, too). French grammar... Well, it is French grammar. Seems fairly arbitrary to me. A long history, I guess. Then someone just decided to record how people were speaking ( all around the country. And France is a large country.). I think you see my point. Spoken French and French grammar are two different things. I have a feeling, that you are facing the same problem as the Danish are: they do not understand each other anymore. And we, who speak Swedish, do not understand them, anymore, even though the languages are closely related, and reading is easy. Anyway, I do like your style formulated on this course. In spite of some logical confusion to be seen when proceeding the chapters. Thank you, all the best in future!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Latiku

Thanks for producing this programme. It is nice!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AhmedAlaa9

I was wondering if u need to add a tip on the irregular verbs as those ending with al, eau

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shkjbjmagygdg

I am really loving the mneumonic devices :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joanjohn

notes are very helpful

4 years ago

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thanks :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VeenaL

excellent grammar tips

4 years ago

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Just want to congratulate and give thanks to everyone who made the grammar notes possible!! Before the notes were available I was really struggling with conjunctions but since you added the notes, man, I understood how to use them and now I am breezing through the conjunctions. I'm sure that the notes will help me in all of the other skills as well and will benefit every learner who reads them. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveBhumi

whenever new words are used in the notes corner, i would request you also provide an option/link to hear the pronunciation of it.

4 years ago

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I wish this were possible! Unfortunately, we're kind of handicapped by what the system can allow us to do.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sbeecroft
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I'm really impressed with the grammar notes. Very well done. Clear, concise, very information-dense. Thank you for those!

4 years ago

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88 lingot :O

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/defgh

These are an excellent addition to the programme!

4 years ago

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Very clear & concise

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sbeecroft
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Seriously, these grammar notes are really great. I love them. I wish all the other languages had them. (Parlo a te, italiano!)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/84343

cool

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Maddyis

its been sooooo LONG!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/UriFeinstein

Hi there. You have done a great job. The notes are very important they are short and to the point. In my view the more notes the better as the French language is not similar to English at all especial in the way it handles the single vs the plural and the feminine vs the masculine. well done and thank you so much the effective and useful software.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azaeliahardbotle

These tips and notes are so helpful!! Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/perotti14Emily

I love all of the notes because I understand them thank you they help alot

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Naiyla

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! All the these tips and notes have been very helpful. I do look forward to reading them all. I have been able to learn a lot more thanks to you. I really appreciate this. Duolingo makes learning languages fun and easy, now with the addition of tips and notes, it's now easier and even more fun.

4 years ago

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I appreciate your efforts, I like them very much and I read them if there are any. As I am neither English nor French I am really very thankful having your litte syllabus. Please, continue - and do not try to satisfy everyone's whim - do keep short and with a pinch of humor!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lattetown

Thank you for the notes--they helped. I think it would also help to have a grammar rules practice lesson...some of the special cases like verb conjugations and gender endings could be presented like a game as in the basic lessons. It is particularly difficult to catch the auditory clues of whether it's a singular or plural verb being spoken...this could be made clearer during practice. For example, let us compare the sound of "Vous ētes un Homme" and "Vous et un Homme"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Michael_Yuan

Very useful tips. Could IPA symbols be used to indicate pronunciation? In addition, audio files associated with each example will help solve the problem for people who are not familiar with any standardized phonetic system.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenWelsh

Very helpful, thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DanK5

Having the grammer notes with the lessons is a major addition to the course-thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/benpanico6

Is there a typo? You say in the paragraphs to use "du" for uncountable things and then say to use it for countable things shortly after: " I like wine, but I am drinking milk. — J'aime le vin, mais je bois DU lait. Both articles are missing in the English version of this example. Aimer expresses fondness for wine, so le vin should be used there. However, boire is not a verb of appreciation, so the PARTITIVE du should be used on the UNCOUNTABLE lait. Cats are animals. — Les chats sont DES animaux. This is a general truth about cats, but #2 above can only apply to subjects, so only chats takes a definite article here. Animaux are COUNTABLE, so use the INDEFINITE." Please tell me it is supposed to say "animaux are uncountable" otherwise I'm really confused and please help!

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https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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It's not a typo, because des is actually indefinite in the second example. With a few exceptions, uncountable things are singular, so only du, de la, and de l' are partitive.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/benpanico6

Ah, thank you so so much :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/uplaytolose

Very nice work here! The explanations are simple and easy to understand, even for non-native speaker.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rennegirl

Thank you for the notes. They are extremely helpful

4 years ago

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Extremely helpful, thank you

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimbraun

I find the notes very helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/raghad2014badran

i have just one question .how many levels are they in the french course?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Users can get up to level 25 on each language course.

4 years ago

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DXLi, I know you're not part of the italian team, but do you know when they will come out with such tips for the italian lessons? They would be really useful, and I only see them on the very first few...then they disappear permanently. That may mean they are working on creating more...but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks!

4 years ago

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I'm not sure if they have any plans for that. You might want to look up who's on the EN-IT team and ask them directly.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobertaLeeGerber

I am extremely appreciative of this thorough presentation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/100086875

The notes are really helpful!!!! They give lots of information that is useful. Keep it up!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/raghad2014badran

how can i get a certificate from the internet?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PhyllisKeenan

I am wondering why duolingo says "plusss tard" pronouncing the s at the end of plus. I have only ever heard native speakers say "plu tar". Reason?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Naomi.Appleton

Hi Phyllis, I could be incorrect, but I think it is so because there are two meanings to the French word 'plus'. If it is pronounced << plews >>, it means 'plus'/ addition. If it is pronounced << plew >> it means 'more'. Of course, both are written as 'plus'. I don't know if Duolingo is correct or not.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Naomi.Appleton

I think the Grammar Notes are great, thank you! Though, what I think would be even more helpful for the Conjugation tables, is to add the definition in English, stating what the verb in question means (its definition), on the Conjugation table itself. Perhaps at the top? I write down new verbs as I go, sometimes the conjugations, so this would be very helpful. Merci beaucoup Duolingo, Je pense votre travail est tres bonne! (hope that's right!)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maryam.mob

that is just awesome! I had a little problem, remembering the grammars correctly and in order, these tips are great help! thanks a lot

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/herbie1972

Great grammar notes, certainly helpful!!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ncressman

really appreciate the note about how to depict numbers -- ie, space for thousands, dot for comma. Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffreySaint

Very helpful, thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LauraGio

Very clarifying! <3

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daniel.Richard

Excellent, absolutely excellent

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bikbik

very helpful!! thank you^^

4 years ago

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You wrote: "Conversely, an aspirate H doesn't participate in elisions or liaisons. It's usually found at the beginning of loan words from German or other languages. For instance, "the hero" is le héros. Pay attention to this when learning new vocabulary." The H is written but is it pronounced?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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No. The letter H is always silent in French, though it does affect the sound of adjacent consonants (e.g. ch in chien).

4 years ago

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Thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarcAndrei1

Reyzille, Donnez-moi des lingots!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chimp100

sweet stuff!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AukeWesterterp
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In French: Questions the grammar notes state: "Puis-je aider le enfants ? — Can I help the children?" Why is the 'le' singular in this sentence?

4 years ago

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That should read les enfants as far as I know.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mrs.baddie_46

Can you download this app on a pphone or nah?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliyar.johny

it iw very useful who always made grammar mistakes

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GoldenStar11

These are very supportive grammar notes that they've already made me improve on my grammar in French!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MoreViolas
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I'm still confused about whether a Parisien would pronounce the H in HERO or not!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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The letter H is never pronounced in French, except to change the sound of an adjacent consonant (e.g. the CH in chien).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JennaFinley

Well done

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aoifejoyce

awesome

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/awesome7922

This is a really good idea. This will be very useful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Punkmom

I really like having the grammar notes. I also appreciate cultural context notes, such as the note about how to use/translate "aimer" as like or love in various circumstances. I hope that the Italian lessons will also get grammar notes. Thank you very much.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NTRMY13

Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/g02q29zl

this Is extremely helpful thank you

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mimosa1036

Your grammar notes are very clearly written, and quite helpful. Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chantellecomer

that's amazing

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/friend154545

thank you. its very helpful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Iristongwu

I love this feature! However, can you make the detail explanation a darker shade of grey? It's kind of hard to read...

4 years ago

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This fills in a few murky areas for me. I wish had grasped the partitive correctly first time thru. Backtracking and reviewing is a good confidence builder too. Being able to repeatedly listen to a tricky phrase is a big help to grasp spoken French. Carry on.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/j.c.bennett

These notes are so helpful and I will look forward to reading all the others as I continue through each checkpoint. They help to make things clearer and reinforce what you have learned. Thanks so much!

4 years ago

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i see on this thread you guys are planning to improve all these, which is a good thing, but to me, for now it seems a pretty good format, so I just wanted to ask if I may, if you do that improvement, make really sure that you're not making it somehow worse. Except this, THANK YOU very much for the grammar notes you provided ))

4 years ago

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I'm tempted to reset my tree now to be honest...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlonFeldblum

Notes are great! I would like to request adding how differentiate the pronunciation of the different words ('le', 'les')...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Le sounds similar to "luh" while les sounds similar to "lay".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DotWav
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Splendid; They are clearly written with good examples. Very useful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ManoharaDasa

Thanks for nice job. Your notes help me a lot in my study of French.

In Food section notes you wrote:

Count Noun, Mass Noun, or Both?

Count nouns are discrete and can be counted, like une pomme ("an apple"). They can take both definite and indefinite articles.

Je mange une pomme. — I eat an apple. Nous mangeons les pommes. — We are eating the apples.


Consider changing it to:

Nous mangeons les pommes. — We are eating the apples. Je mange une pomme. — I eat an apple.


In this way the order of the examples will be consistent.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kennethlockridge

are helful and may bear reptition depending on my mistakes?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jose_Valdir

THE GRAMMAR REALLY HELPS A LOT. THANK YOU!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yolantele

Amazing conspectus!! I wish it was accessible on app version too. Learning a language is a pleasure with duolingo : ]

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bndockst

Hello! Where are the grammar notes? Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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They're on the screens where you can select individual lessons. In the old layout, they'll appear at the bottom. In the new layout, they can be accessed by clicking a "+" button.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jackjon

Hiya mate. Brilliant though these posts are, they are now seriously crowding my Duo space and emails. I have tried to unfollow these posts here unsuccessfully. So, grammar aside, how do I stop the posts from this site barging into my personal email place? I have "Unfollowed" (That is a word is it?) to no avail. I just want it to stop. How do I do that? Thanks mate. I know that you know. JJ.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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  1. Go here: https://www.duolingo.com/settings/notifications
  2. Uncheck everything.
  3. Press "Save changes".
4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jackjon

Excellent! Went there, "No facility to "Uncheck Everything" and "Save Changes" was nowhere to be found. DX, are we on the same planet? I have "Unfollowed" at the top of this pager, unsuccessfully and now followed your navigation with no success. Where to now? Thanks mate. You are talking to a bloke looking at 70 and is 'puker ignorant. Bless. JJ.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jackjon

'Ang on. Mate, Wot does "Uncheck Everything" mean?

4 years ago

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Imgur

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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You can't click the red text because that whole thing is an image. The red bits are just annotations that I made to instruct you on where to click on the Notifications settings page I linked earlier. https://www.duolingo.com/settings/notifications

I can't edit your profile, so I can't sort any of this out for you. If you can't change the settings on the Notifications settings page, then your best bet is to block Duo emails using your email service.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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https://www.duolingo.com/Jackjon

Brilliant! No "Reply" facility at your latest mail. Helpful, is that? Clicked on that red "Uncheck all these boxes" and nothing happened. Nothing notwhatsoever. What is that "Press this Button" at top to the right of your mail all about? Do I risk clicking on that? Frankly, I'd just kind'vr like these mails to my personal email place to stop. Seeing as I'm so stupud and useless, please would you just sort that out? Please?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jackjon

Excellent. So, i can do nothing about this. OK. I have a Walter Mitty scenario. It is by no means new, is it? I love the site and the course. It is the medium that is a soul sold and didn't even yet reach the crossroads. Ho Hum. Nothing can be done. Is it THIS which will spur us on in to the future? "Nothing Can Be Done?" There isn't even a "Reply" app at your posts now. So.....Am I getting the message? Honestly, I cannot think of anything better. Thank you so much. This is so good.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jackjon

This just couldn't get any better! Thank you DXL. No reply place on your post and having tried so hard to get something to happen when I click on your link I do think that is is time to "Call It A Day" mate. It just aint working here. Let it go. Sometimes it just fails. Divorce your name from this failure. It is just "A" failure, not "Your" failure. Nothing worked. I'm unsurprised my friend. Let it go now. I'll just delete stuff immediately it appears. I do wish that I could have filtered this but it is a "Poor Score That Know More". Thanks for trying and please don't try any more. t just doesn't work here. Bless. JJ.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElsaDong

J'est etudiante,J'ai vingt ants,je veux connais francais.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/parkonjourney

when does "des" means some and when does it mean "the"? can you add this to this lessons notes. it might be somewhere in the other notes, but it is confusing in this lesson

4 years ago

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In short, if des appears between two nouns or if it replaces de at the end of a phrase (e.g. beaucoup des), it means "the" or "of the". Otherwise, it's the indefinite "some".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/parkonjourney

Thank you for your help. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/qsefthu

Finally!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hanjini
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Hello, I love the tips but am I correct in noticing that they end at "Pronouns"? I am eager to advance and ils me manquent les tips

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pokemongirl101

I think they are helpful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/otemnaya

J'adore!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnaLob

I love your grammar notes! They are clear for understanding and very useful

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ritakrill

I was so delighted to come across these notes! This has been very confusing to me. I have actually been trying to describe my confusion - with very bad examples - to a French-speaking friend. This page of information is just what I need. While it is overwhelming, I feel such a relief in explanation. I've been using my android for lessons and was not aware of this feature, accessed on my pc. I will expand my exploration of this program for better understanding. Merci beaucoup, et se il vous plait continuer les notes de grammaire!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Stardate

Marvellous! Thank you for your great work. I have been consulting your grammar notes since the very first time i started to study french here on Duo!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DoloresQin

thank you very much for your contribution, its an amazing website. 谢谢。-----from chinese user

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tpamm
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Thanks so much for these. They are very helpful for review!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SisiAnne1

Great notes! Very insightful and educative. Keep it up s'il-vous-plait :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mvharlan

These notes are so well written that they clarified grammar rules in both French and English. Great job -- thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/grevolpe

the notes are very helpfull!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Boats95

Would it be possible to have a print option?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CariendeCl

I don't find the words that are relevant to the lesson, on the words list.As I do not have any french vocabulary,it delays my progress.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E.Salerno
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Thank you! I would put more examples of irregular plural words as: "riche"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DJ_Karen

Help I'm a Doulingo French student, but I messed around with my settings, and N ow everything is in another languge! What should I do?

4 years ago

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Go here: https://www.duolingo.com/courses

In the top-right, click the dropdown menu and press "English".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sondre.imset

Maybe this is not of great help, but I think the grammar notes are just about the right length; not too long to be overwhelmed but long enough to make sense and get into some detail. Great work!

(I didn't read all the comments, but Dessamator has some good points...)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaykos
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good

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SBS4

Very helpful. Let us keep the owl happy together!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TaniaCan

thanks so much for the grammar notes - really handy!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vh.alireza

Can you add more about the plural articles? When to use les or des for example. Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Have you looked at the note for Food?

4 years ago

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this is useful,but can you ad demonstrations?Thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/M1SSB

Thank you DXli, I would like to suggest to add "pronunciation" to grammar notes. So far I am loving the grammar notes! Hope someday they come to mobile app to! Cause that will be much easier, but I'm loving duolingo web! Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michealfrank

thank you sir......incredible help and i hope this enhancements will continue

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WarrenWlice

The notes are very helpful. Thank you. Alice W

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/greyjoyce

Whew! Thank you so much for the notes. French class is really confusing

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AriLoren

Thank you very much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thiagovp4

Well, that definitely helps a lot. I thank the person who posted this grammar note in here.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rmchugh48

your notes on possessives were very helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alanand

Good, thank you for it!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RhondaPatrina

The grammar notes are detailed and very helpful in that it is helping me to understanding the language, as opposed to just learning the language

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/waxart
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Why does the speaker pronounce 'est-il?' as esst-il? Several members of my family are French and none of them sound the 's' in 'est'.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ivyrahim
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Thanks DXLi for the notes. They're very helpful in making me understand the rules more.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/weellima

I would love to see tips and notes for l'imparfait and passe compose.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kaiserness

Thanks, guys! Now i can know what i'm gonna learn when i go into a lesson! :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Keji_Adebeshin

You're amazing! It's incredibly helpful. THANK YOU!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OliviaHart1

Thank you, these notes are very helpful indeed.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christelle1224

Very helpful indeed. Thank you for this!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AzizRajab

i find it tedious if i have to copy all the French words in the English tips and notes that i don't know how to pronounce and paste it on Google Translate just to know how to pronounce them. it would be really convenience if you'd provide the audio of the pronunciation of those words.... maybe the hyperlink? just my two cents. the rest is super excellent.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dee.Johnson

I've just read the notes on liaisons which I found really useful. Why wasn't I told this 50+ years ago at school? Or maybe I wasn't listening! Many thanks. Dee

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RowenaKay

Have really enjoyed the extra comments that I read today. I had a teacher here where I live, but she was constantly jumping around which made it difficult for me to learn French. However, having been exposed to much of this vocab, it makes it more helpful now. It isn't brand new --- the meanings are much more clear because they're in context with the work.

Love "Duolingo" and thanks a bunch.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RicVidAb

simple and efficient! good job!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PrashantBharti

Thanks for providing these notes. They are helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Freda70

It is some few months since I was last on this site, I must say I wish you had these grammar notes when I first started, excellent

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/memakome

all grammar notes are really very clear,helpful and presented in a simple way. Thanks for providing examples!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lebalonrouge.

I like this as a refresher tool when practicing French! It is highly useful, without being too wordy.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hotafemme

Thank you for the grammar notes ! I have found the grammar notes to be very helpful.

4 years ago

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Thanks for the grammar notes, very useful indeed. Since my daughter is 15 and she is using only the DL mobile version, I hope that the mobile notes will appear soon.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rob18

I am enoying the new grammar notes! They are an excellent reminder of stuff I have been told before, in class notes, but had no good place to find all the specific grammar I need when I need it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BurmaShavay

Excellent Are there notes on nouns also? I was not aware to look below for them. If I have notes like these before I begin...I will do much better. Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michealfrank

Merci beaucoup for your contributions, I joined this site to learn french on my own. After completing all the levels in this site.....which level will I be able to take the test (in terms of A1,A2,B1.......)? do you suggest any other sources to go through? Looking forward for your precious reply

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lovelylena2006

i have been taking LOTS! Of notes

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maryannfraser

The grammar notes are very helpful!!! Thanks so much!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sci-fisymphonies

My teacher went over these my freshman year and I thought that I would remember them and now I can take notes of the things that I missed as an over confident freshman. Merci beaucoup.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarolLinds3

I am totally new to french and I really enjoy your lessons. I find the grammar notes a bit hard to follow but, in saying that, the more I continue with the lessons the more the grammar notes make sense, so for me it is really to practice every day. I am also only just finding my way around the system. I did not realise that there were notes to explain the lessons. Since I have found them the lessons make more sense.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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I'm glad you like them! As you said, the grammar notes are hard to follow without some experience, so it's definitely a good idea to keep practicing and working on lessons. It's a kind of synergy. The more you practice, the more the grammar notes make sense, which makes the practice easier, and so on.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarolLinds3

When using my mobile for some reason the french alphabet is not displayed and I keep getting marked down.. It there something wrong with my phone for not displaying the alphabet?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JosephMomoh

My lesson one is perfect and i enjoyed taking every note . The critical but simple areas are still new to me like the gender placement ,subject verb agreement ,article etc . I hope i will be able to write my tenth comment in French . J'ai amie

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andyjgarcia

Less than useful unless also available on the mobile apps - would love to see this on there!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eulogos10

Thanks for the useful notes on French adjectives. I am wondering why include the N in "BANGS". I understand that number precedes the noun, but expressions of number are not adjectives to begin with; they are determiners just like "le" and "une". Given that there is a passage on the fact that determiners always precede the noun, why not reduce "BANGS" to "BAGS"?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Most determiners are actually adjectives, numerals included. The two categories aren't mutually exclusive. I do agree with you that replacing "numbers" with "determiners" would give a more complete list, but I don't think that "DBAGS" has quite the same ring to it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eulogos10

Thanks for the reply. I am a linguistics PhD student and the way I am used to viewing determiners takes them to be in fact disjoint from adjectives. Perhaps each of us has a different concept in mind.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lilidk

Hello, i was just thinking if could teach another language.My native language is Latvian and im exceptionally good at English.So i would like to give courses based on Latvian.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlpacaHelen

they are very informative, but remember i am probably not alone in not ever having studied grammar formally - a lot of the terminology is new to me

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eclaire_

That's brilliant!! Duolingo is such a great app. Thanks!! <3<3

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EdLilly

I very much appreciate having these notes. It solidifies the exercises and explains areas where I sometimes feel lacking in the rationale. My only suggestion would be to make it easier to move ahead on lessons at my own schedule, rather than not initiating something new only on a daily basis. This assumes I am using the system correctly.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soheyl.moheb

hello ... about determining feminine ans masculine words you've done a great job. i learned that lesson so easy and now i can tell them apart easily. about the difference between gros and grand : please provide some examples after the explanation because i had to read lots of comments to remove the ambiguity.but the adjective's grammar explanation was so comprehensive and easy to understand. thanks you for you're great lesson. about possessives : that was great and thanks for the great explanation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keinhimmel

Will these grammar notes ever be somehow integrated into the mobile apps? I think that would make the apps a little more substantial on their own.

4 years ago

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The grammar notes for "clothing" skill include the following bit "Otherwise, a C followed by an A, O, or has a hard sound". Seems that something is missing between "or" and"has".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Fixed. Thanks for noticing that!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sunny.singh9464

Quite helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TalyHo

Difference between elision and contraction is not made very clear no the notes.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TalyHo

Difference between elision and contraction is not made very clear no the notes.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Snarf2

Excellent. I need more practice using the rules.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Darknexus

I have a question that probably doesn't relate to this topic of the tips and such but I need some help, when I am learning French and I do the listening section I have a hard time telling the difference between "content", "contente", "contents", and the other forms of the word. There are other words with which I also have this difficulty. I would like a more emphasized pronunciation of the words and I'd also like a organized list of the words and all their conjugations. Sorry if this all sounds like too much and thanks for the help learning French so far (merci beaucoup).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thepolygotpsycho

wow i'm glad i recently got into duolingo again coz the grammar notes are my favourite part about learning french here . :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaccouArlene

j'aime !

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/na_thy

I love it all the lessons, but I realy want to learn french in portuguese. thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Royman2003

hello, I'm a new comer. I found it really difficult to get familiar with different type of articles. it's much more complicated than English.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bugattiveyron91

merci!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kari-janne

Is there a list of verbs you've learned? I know they're under words but they're all scattered which sometimes makes it harder ( for me at least) to remember which words belong to the same verb.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/varyiks

i want to get activity on prepositions.merci

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StevenPorr

They help a lot, thank you! I use mostly the desktop version, they look fine and help me a lot.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thereseraquin

I haven't been on Duolingo for a while, so today, I'm finding this a great addition. I used to speak French, didn't for a long time, and am now so rusty it's pathetic. Thanks for this nice addition!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/surffreak83

Very useful, thank you very much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hazelio

Wonderful! Very well organized!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jhwms
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There isn't enough explanation about des, except that it can be de or d'. Such as- it means "some", is it used like du sometimes?, how does it work in a sentence.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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How far are you in the course? You may find more explanations farther along.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jhwms
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I went back to the first lesson to see if there was anything in the tips that I missed. Des is listed in the chart there for indirect plurals. I don't recall it being used up to this point so a reminder about it would be helpful for the plural lessons.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rocktoes

That is so good! Thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/norfolk84

cannot understand a lot of the audio.Will try again some other time

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rijalda0

great :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnneRumer

So glad to see the notes. Very helpful! Thank you. Merci beaucoup!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gerritkaito

Thank you very much for the grammar notes. I can only reiterate that it would be very good to have them available on mobile devices as well! That's the only place that many of us actually use Duolingo!! Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MissUnique84

Hi, I think it would be great if the pronounciation was provided in square brackets next to French words, e.g. manger [mɑ̃ʒe], especially when the particular word appears for the first time.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LesJohn

Hi, DXLi: I just want you to know that these notes have explained to me questions that I've had for years! I guess, everyone who could have answered them did not want to take the time to explain (It is difficult, to say the least). Thank you so much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlfredFlem

The notes are quite detailed. I really like the reasons included for the particular grammar usages. Keep up the great work. Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jubek_Phillip

Thank you so much it helps a lot , though i didn't realize that there are somethings below the skills ^^

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HansikaMalik

THESE NOTES ARE OF GREAT HELP AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM ON MOBILE VERSION AS WELL.

4 years ago

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I usually use the mobile vision so this is the first time I've seen notes. It is very helpful. I hope the mobile version will be updated as well.

Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ThamirisGi
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Thanks for all the notes, they are very helpful for me, since I was having a little trouble with thr grammar french. Keep the good work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SkateSkier

Your grammar notes are excellent. My husband is a native French speaker (born in Paris) and he's been looking at Duolingo (and is using it himself to learn Spanish). I am a visual learner and I find the timed practice to be very useful, also.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ShroomiaCo

Hey could you possibly elaborate on what #1 in the omitted articles section means? I am not sure as to what it means. If someone could reply here, that would be nice too!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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It basically refers to the traditional English use of the definite article ("the"). I'll rewrite that so it's less confusing.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ShroomiaCo

Thank you very much! This makes some much sense and I hope others can find this useful as well. Keep up the great work. Also surprised me with response times. Lingot for that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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You're welcome :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenMarne

This is great! Such a help

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DariaOffin

I have a question, please. In the lesson Basics 1 it says: "Whenever you want to learn a verb's conjugation, hover your mouse over that word and press the "C" button." Is this available in the application as well? Can I pull the conjugation info on my iPad? Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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Unfortunately, I don't think this is available in mobile versions, though I'm unsure because I primary use the browser version.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sallyjoy

Thank you for making French easy to learn! The pronunciation in French is made easy to understand with the notes! Well done.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NikeDuval

In the very beginning (section 4?) I came across the phrase "J'aime les femmes." and translated it as "I love the women." Though the program counted it, the correct definition given was "I like women." The notes gave no insight on the le/la/les thing, but in the comments, I discovered that if "the" were implied, de/de la/des would be used. The notes keep referring to everything as "the" (the cat, the dresses) when in fact not meaning THE. Am I wrong, or should this be corrected and users made aware that more than one type of "the" exists in French?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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The explanation for this appears in the "Food" section. Take a look at that and let me know if it's still unclear.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NikeDuval

This example occurred before the food section was open, but I just reached it and now see what you mean. Thank you for the tip!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/inlaidroses

The grammar notes are very clear. It would be very helpful to add audio links to them, especially in the charts.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RaquelMene3

thanks a lot for the grammar notes. duolingo is the best :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DariaOffin

Hi, I am automatically following this discussion as I have commented on it once... But I do not know why i am receiving 4 identical emails when a comment is added to the discussion... To be honest it is a bit annoying... But I want to follow the discussion to see if the updates I am waiting for become available... Please tell me why this is happening and how can I avoid so many emails? thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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When you posted this comment, it actually appeared four times (but I deleted the rest). This has been happening pretty often. Did you click the "Post" button multiple times, perhaps while waiting for a response?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DariaOffin

Hi DXLi, no, I only clicked POST once... Definitely. Maybe that's what happening... It's people posting once but it appears 4 times thats why I get 4 emails.. Slight glitch in your system maybe...? ;) Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kapikog

Just started with Duolingo and it is just what I want. This web link was given to me by a friend who uses Duolingo and I agree with her that you guys are wonderful. Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rebello913

its ok it has a bunch of defects but its slowly getting better

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cincin2

Loving the notes! Thank you! So many times I have taken French courses only to have the teacher explain the grammar to me in french.... which I was already struggling to learn! This will help with my learning curve so much!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AprilStr

Merci for the useful info and tips

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jkirk17

The notes are very helpful. Short and informative. Thanks!

4 years ago

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I am so delighted to find these notes! I have been using the mobile version and have been pulling my hair out over some of the finer points of grammar. You have cleared up le/la/ les du/des for me before I went utterly bald!

I (and my hairdresser) hope to see the notes on mobile soon!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/2mos

If you are speaking of two friends , male and female are they " mes amis " ou " mes amies"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Heo_mup

It's totally clear and easy to understand, to say, i got no idea about French at the beginning and now i'm getting much better. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/longacre

Extremely helpful. Clearly explained and focused on common usage - resolving issues from school days. This is my first serious look at a 'notes section' and I am enthused to do more. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Charmsurprise

thanks, thought it a great general overview of the topic. Great refresher for me.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarjorieDrysdale

Why do you pronounce the "s" in "a plus tard?"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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The "s" in plus is pronounced whenever plus is used in the positive; it's silent whenever plus is used in the negative, i.e. in ne...plus.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mendoc89

By any chance is there anything in the works that will say the word in the notes as soon as you hover over the word like the lessons?

4 years ago

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No, sorry, this isn't currently a planned feature.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mad1303

Oh how I have needed this. I am awful at remembering all the grammar tips, especially in french. Thank goodness for you guys!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amie117

This site is very helpful, I also has it on my phone. I've been practicing french and it's been a success!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmandahHar

easy and clear to follow, makes learning french much easier

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thoburn

Read one of these connected with the lesson just completed. Excellent addition, clear and very relevant to the lesson.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tatiana762265

The notes and tips are very useful. Thank you very much.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dr.Fahrquad

I love the entire layout. It's like reading the text books. The activities are amazing as well. Very well put together, I look forward to learning with you. Great job and Thank You!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IanGwyther
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This is great. And I know it's with a few other languages. Is there anyway to have a look than going back to a lesson and redoing it again.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ArielGruver

The grammar notes are extremely helpful and very much appreciated! Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dickemore

They are good. I wish the sound of the speech were as good

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daisyhernandez6

It's really important having these notes and also helpful to study a new language

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/webber.1

I like this "piecemeal" method. Just right. It's just enough to absorb at one time rather than being overwhelmed with information. Thanks!

4 years ago

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Make it available to any speaker/course say Franzosisch ... at worst they would learn some unnecessary English

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ntut12

I have always had one trouble with the app, lack of grammar. It teaches the words, but it does not reinforce it with grammar. This would be a great thing to have! I wish it would come to all available formats... (Wink wink...nudge nudge) I think grammar would be also nice being part of tests and questions as well. Sorry if I speak like all of this is just soo easy to do. Anyways, this program is headed in a nice direction! Thanks for everything. I would also like to drop courses too. I opened up a bunch of courses just to look and see what they are like and now they won't go away.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/AminaMakhmoudova

Very good grammar notes. Very needed1

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mj-7
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very useful, very thorough and i am loving everything about this site.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stevegreg5119

That was helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BookWormTY
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cool!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maraaalucaci

That is awesome ! it helps me a lot

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EugeneSmit

it will be perfect if there are conjugations of other incorrect verbs somewhere in tips in this question to have a chance to fix it visually in memory after puzzle memorizing from different lessons.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LatteLuna

I'm enjoying the notes. So far, they are very helpful. Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HenriMaes

The notes are great and really appreciated. Thank you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/valeriamdcr

I have really learned a lot with this website, and the grammar notes really help.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kjell-eriks

Very useful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BingoPyjam

The grammar notes are wonderful, and so useful, thank you. I started using Duolingo on my phone and didn't realise there was a web version with different content and helpful notes for about a month. Until more detailed content is available on the app, is there a way to let new phone-based learners know that there's other resources available online?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/1golka
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Hello! I have just started learning French. And I don't know any reading rules. Could you please give me some rules of reading and prononsiation? P.S. English is not my native language. Please, Don't judge me for my mistakes so strong))

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NoaHarTzio

Very useful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kimia81

it's very useful for me. thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Faranak7177

very helpful for me. thank you a lot. I need a good grammar point.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phgriffi

Very helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnchovyTrex

i think its a great job you are doing,so kudos to you and the team. hope to master french soon.thank you

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrancesHW

Very helpful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeanneLanvin

Why is de bons garcons correct? Is bons considered a vowel sound?

4 years ago

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If there's an adjective before a plural noun, then des becomes de.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cruise2525

I'm glad for the grammar notes too.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmandahHar

M bon F bonne, M/P bons F/P bonnes, un garçon deux garçons

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DebraHoven

Hi - I'm a language teacher, so I understand "stative verbs" but I think it would be good to provide some examples when you use terms like this for non-teachers to understand better. Pronunciation of the different forms in the grammar notes would also be useful for comparison

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iluvcoding

Grammer notes hard to understand , help me .!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jp3composer

hello, perhaps this is not where i can find the right information, but i find the grammar notes extremely helpful. how can i receive permission to print a copy of these notes for my own personal use? i just learn better with a flesh and blood copy is all

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DXLi
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As far as I know, it's fine to copy and print the notes for your own personal use, but please do not distribute them otherwise.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ambart51

Wouldn't think of it!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jp3composer

Thank you! yeah i just like to make sure i'm doing the right thing. y'all are doing a great work :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ambart51

The tips and notes are terrific! I like to print them and then read them occasionally for brush up. It really helps to address individual "problem" areas.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmandahHar

try writing your notes by hand instead of printing, you'll find it sinks in easier,

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ambart51

Whether you write them down or print them, what's the difference. Simpler to do the latter.

4 years ago

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Your notes are great. Thank you! But PLEASE ask the website designers to darken the type. Light gray is a cool design idea, but important information should not be difficult to read. If not black, then how about halfway between what it is and black? Encore, merci pour les infos importants.

4 years ago

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4 years ago

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4 years ago

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4 years ago

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4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RJM_McGill

Your grammar notes state that the example, "He likes to eat meat. — Il aime manger de la viande." is "a tricky example because meat is the direct object of manger, not aimer. Thus, #3 does not apply and viande cannot take a definite article." I understand the point about meat being the direct object of manger. But I do not understand from the grammar notes in this section why viande (something that can be counted as well as considered a "mass noun") cannot take a definite article. Isn't "la" a definite article? Thank you for any clarification you might provide.

4 years ago

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Well, la by itself is a definite article, but in this example, it's part of the partitive article de la, whose masculine form is du.

4 years ago

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RJM_McGill, are you saying that viande is something that can be counted ?
I thought viande ( meat ) was an uncountable noun - and that is why you use de la. Because you have to say you eat " some " meat, ie de la. That as DXLi says - it is a " partitive article ", being " part of / some of the " ...
Have I got this right?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RJM_McGill

The reply by DXLi helped me. Perhaps I misunderstood that (1) the nature of viande (as lindakanga reminds) is an uncountable noun, so (2) it requires a partitive article as well as a definite article. Thank you both.

4 years ago

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Thanks RJM_McGill. I am just learning, and I like understanding things. I get things wrong, but it helps me to try to think about them again. And I appreciate knowing when I am on the right track :) This is also one of the great things I like about duolingo - is that I can talk to people about things, and get confirmation as to if they are correct - or not. And have things explained in different ways - as some ways make more sense to me than other ways.

4 years ago

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4 years ago

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4 years ago

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The grammar notes provided thus far have been excellent; they are very informative without being tedious. As a native American-English speaker, I find the French tongue to be more difficult to emulate than, let's say, Spanish. Thanks for the hard work as it is greatly appreciated.

4 years ago

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The notes in Basics 1 look horrifying when you open them - maybe they could be broken down a little? Now I have just looked at the notes for possessives and they are great! Very clearly presented - just what I needed.

4 years ago

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4 years ago

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I really like the grammar notes but I think it would be useful if they could be all in one place, where you could read through them.

4 years ago

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4 years ago

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I think here would be a good place to start explaining verbs and groups of verbs, and how to conjugate the first group. Knowing this would also help with the spelling. Including pronunciation of examples would also be greatly beneficial. Thanks

4 years ago

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there should be pronunciation provided in the listening device as examples to supplement the pronunciation rules

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Merci :D ça m'a aidé beaucoup

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4 years ago

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4 years ago

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Bonjour! Please explain why "some good boys" = "de bons garcons". I would think that it would be "DES bons garcons" (not "de") Merci!

4 years ago

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When there's an adjective between des and the noun, then des becomes de.

4 years ago

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I find the grammar notes extremely useful as they answer a lot of questions I have during the lessons, however it is hard to take it in all at once. Maybe a new lesson style from the Duo product team could create a new type of lesson in which these rules could be better practiced and therefore better remembered rather than just reading a page of text.

4 years ago

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3 years ago

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I would like to get in the notes all the words and werbs or the phrases that used during the skill That would be great

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3 years ago

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I enjoy reading the notes before I take a lesson. I find that I have to read them more than once. After reading the notes I can commit some of the information to memory which helps me to do the lessons well. I would like to start to read and listen to french on a regular basis. The challenge is finding sources that will align with my present level of french. I am thinking of searching for french poets.

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The "tips and notes" in re:Liaisons, and Enchainments, etc., are quite helpful; Merci.

3 years ago

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I had an aha moment when I realized how de le becomes "du", but I'm still trying to figure out how "du" must then change back to de l'ananas - masculine(?) and de l'eau - femmine. Is it because we don't want to see "du ananas" or "du eau"? Okay, that's all I have to admit to for now.

3 years ago

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Yep, that's it. Du becomes de l' in front of a vowel sound.

3 years ago

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The space before an exclamation mark, question mark, colon, semicolon, or guillemet fermant must be a non-breaking space.

3 years ago

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It is helpful and perhaps clearer to the learner if you use the same nouns as examples when illustrating the change of pronouns. For example, mon ami and mes amis

3 years ago

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3 years ago

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This makes a huge difference- its much better than trying to intuit the rules from my mistakes.

3 years ago

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The notes that you put at the bottom of the lesson pages are really helpful! Thank you so much for including them! I haven't found them on the app yet, so maybe add that? I also like how there are unlimited lives unless you are testing out of a subject. The app only has a certain number of lives, and I think that it is easier to use then having a limited amount of lives. I also think that we should get a certain number of Lingots for going a certain mark over our goal xp. Just a suggestion. Thank you for being awesome! - Maddie_Kranz, Level 6 French Learner

3 years ago

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Grammar notes are concise and clear.

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3 years ago

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3 years ago

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3 years ago

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The notes provided for the Possessive section is just awesome.It helped me a lot understand different scenarios related to the topic. Great work!

3 years ago

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3 years ago

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Digging the grammar notes, thank you!

3 years ago

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3 years ago

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I just read through the notes on plurals, and they were perfect for me. Just the right length and depth! Very much appreciated!

3 years ago

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The grammar notes are very helpful. Thank you!

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3 years ago

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I do enjoy the grammer notes. Since I am having difficulty in the pronunciation of French words, it really helps to be able to see the correct pronumciation of the French word. It would really facilitate and speed up learning if there is a pronunciation that goes with the word. Thanks for the notes. Great help.

3 years ago

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Thanks!! This helps my french class a lot!!!

3 years ago

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Hello There, thanks a lot for the notes, they are quite brief and clear! Best grammar notes ever! Just a very tiny comment for the notes under "Food" tree, "count noun, mass noun, or both" You listed "fruit" as both, but the example sentense for mass noun "J'aime les fruits" should be for count noun right?

3 years ago

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Very concise and clear merci bien!

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oh, I think contractions part of basic1 lesson is a little much difficult for a beginner.

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3 years ago

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    That's so you cool that you get to be a part of that! How do you become a moderator? It sounds fun! Also, what does "sticky" mean? I'm very confused about that part.

    3 years ago

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    The notes say "Whenever you want to learn a verb's conjugation, hover your mouse over that word and press the "C" button." That obviously won't work for the iPad app. Is there a way for mobile users to do that?

    3 years ago

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    All agree that the grammar notes are great--very clear and very helpful! Please get them on mobile devices, AND please give us grammar notes on the subjunctive!

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    This is great stuff! I should have looked at it much earlier. Thank you for the effort.

    3 years ago

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    I LOVE the new Grammar notes! I had one suggestion, just my two cents. What if you had grammar notes also spread out through the lesson? This way one can really hone in on why they missed that translation :)

    3 years ago

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    The notes are very helpful ... thanks

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