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https://www.duolingo.com/LeIouch

How long does it take for a skill to require strengthening?

And is it based solely on the amount of time since that skill was last practiced, or does it take into consideration your proficiency (or lack thereof) in that particular skill?

I haven't being Duoing for all that long and at this point the skills that require strengthening are seemingly random.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_
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The strength of a skill is the average strength of the words taught in that skill. When the strength ratings for enough words in that skill decay and cause the average to fall below the threshold for gold (80% strength, I believe), the skill will lose its gold status. Each word has a strength rating that is a fractional value between 0 and 1. Additionally, each word has a decay rate that indicates how quickly a word's strength will deteriorate. This can be something like 0.0000001 per second (or even lower) for words that Duo thinks you know very well to roughly 0.00001 per second (edited from 0.0001 to correct a typo in the original post and to make it more clear that these are estimates) for words that it thinks you don't know very well. Each time you practice a word, its strength is reset to 1. If you get the question right the decay rate decreases, but if you missed a word in a practice or if you peeked at the mouse-over hints, its decay rate increases.

The end result is that for words that you consistently answer correctly in practices will need to be practiced less and less frequently over time. Words that you consistently get wrong, or peek at the hints to answer will come up increasingly often.

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4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Carldean21

So peeking is really bad. I peek a lot to check spelling of the English word. Like entrepreneur...I can never remember the spelling of that. Will avoid in the future I guess.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MauriceReeves
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As a native English speaker, I'd like to apologize for our bizarro inconsistent spelling rules. While some things in English are really easy, our spelling rules...just...suck. So, sorry. But we're happy to have you learning English, and I wish you all the best.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eviV
eviV
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you are learning Dutch?! that is so cool! I am a Dutch native, and I have never met anyone who wanted to learn my language. if you ever want to practice with me just message me or respond to this message or something

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Keyutie

Am I too late? :) Dutch learner here!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/-..--..-.-.-.-

Yup, our system is so messed up we have to waste time in school teaching kids how to spell!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChuckBaggett

But if you suggest simplifying spelling people will mock you.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dogdogcat

Actually, when my Sweden-born grandfather was in his 90s, he devised a new alphabet supposedly covering all the English sounds individually! He wrote a whole book about it. I think when he died he still had quite a few copies of it lying about the house.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien
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Simplified spelling would be great.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien
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I'd also like to apologize. English could be a lot better. I'm surprised that ANYONE AT ALL can learn English (native or non-native speakers).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ahmed.sarhan

Wait till you try French :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien
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Is it worse than English? Also, I noticed that you don't seem to be learning French on Duolingo. Are you a native speaker of French?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/territrades
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So let me get this straight: The decay is linear, and the gold status of a word is lost if the decay is more than 0.2 . At the highest possible rate of 0.0001 / s, this would mean that the gold status is only held for 0.2 / (0.0001 1/s) = 2000 s, this is less than AN HOUR. Are you sure about this ?

On the other hand, with the lowest possible decay rate, the word will loose its status after 23 days, that's fairly reasonable. Is there any way to see the decay rates of my words ?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_
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The 0.0001 was a typo. It should have been 0.00001 as I've described it in another similar thread. In this case, a word will lose its gold status within a about 6 hours. Also, these numbers aren't precise, they're rough estimates based on the observed decay of word strengths that I've noted. Duo doesn't directly expose the decay rates. It may be in the word detail variables, but I haven't checked. If you have the words tab, however, there is a hidden DIV (edit: it's actually a SPAN) for each word that lists its current strength. Decay rates can be roughly estimated by noting these numbers and comparing them 30 seconds between refreshes.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/territrades
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How can I see the hidden DIVs? I tried to figure it out myself, but all I could read from the source code is that there is an amazingly long list of languages Duolingo seems to consider, and that lines with a quarter million signs without break do not improve readability.

Btw, here is the list: duo.language_names = ['Greek', 'Esperanto', 'English', 'Swedish (Sweden)', 'Lolcat', 'Afrikaans', 'Swahili', 'Catalan', 'Chinese (Cantonese)', 'Gujarati', 'Swedish', 'Zombie', 'Czech', 'Arabic', 'Ukrainian', 'Irish', 'Basque', 'Estonian', 'Chinese (Traditional)', 'Azeri', 'English (Pirate)', 'Spanish', 'Chinese', 'Russian', 'Galician', 'Norwegian (Nynorsk)', 'Norwegian', 'Norwegian (Bokm\xc3\xa5l)', 'Turkish', 'Indonesian', 'Latvian', 'Lithuanian', 'Punjabi', 'Thai', 'Vietnamese', 'Italian', 'Hebrew', 'Icelandic', 'Polish', 'Tamil', 'Dutch (Netherlands)', 'Belarusian', 'French', 'Bulgarian', 'Dothraki', 'Telugu', 'Slovenian', 'Croatian', 'Bengali', 'German', 'Dutch (Belgium)', 'Danish', 'Farsi', 'Uzbek', 'Hindi', 'Finnish', 'Armenian', 'Hungarian', 'Urdu', 'Japanese', 'Faroese', 'Georgian', 'Romanian', 'Portuguese', 'Malay (Brunei)', 'Kazakh', 'Albanian', 'Mongolian', 'Korean', 'Kannada', 'Macedonian', 'Klingon', 'Slovak', 'Malay (Malaysia)', 'Tatar', 'Sindarin', 'Malay', 'Marathi', 'Kyrgyz', 'Swedish (Finland)'];

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_
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The easiest way is to load the words page, find the word you wish to inspect, right-click on its strength bars, and select inspect element in the context menu. In the elements tab (inspector tab in Firefox), you should see a hidden SPAN (sorry, I mistakenly referred to it as a DIV earlier) which contains the word's current strength value.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeIouch

Thanks very much for the explanation. It all makes sense now! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Louise_O

Ooh, informative! Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Username1337
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At present (2017) my experience is that general practice sessions gild skills more easily in respect to skill-specific pratice sessions. Any idea why?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bdeonovic
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general practice makes you practice the words that have lowest strength, whearas skill specific practicew ill make you practice words in that skill, which may include weak but also strong words

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johnysunday
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sometimes it feels like every 5 seconds

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rewjeo
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I honestly have no idea. I've finished skills in the morning to find that they need to be practiced in the evening, while there are other skills that I have never needed to strengthen even once in my ~two months here.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MichaelDayGB

For some reason, all of my lessons are and have always been gold. I don't spend all day every day on here and I frequently make mistakes. Surely I should have something losing strength somewhere?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DavieBDawg

Do you use the Strengthen your Skills feature much? Using that ~ once or twice a day seems to be enough to keep everything gold for me. (It targets weak words/lessons.)

3 years ago