https://www.duolingo.com/kdgarris

A big thanks to our German native speakers

It's very helpful that there are a few German native speakers that participate in the forums and in sentence discussion threads. There are insights that we would otherwise not get from Duolingo and online references. Anyway, I just anted to say thanks to those that take the time to participate here to help the rest of us out!

August 20, 2014

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https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik

Kein Problem :)

August 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Siebenundzwanzig

Ich erinnere mich an dich... glaub' dass du mir vorher geholfen hast... wohl eher viele Mal! Danke, kunstkr1tik.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik

Gern geschehen :) People help me learning portuguese and in return I want to help other people who are learning german.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Siebenundzwanzig

:D Nett von dir. Wenn ich denn eine Frage hab', werd' ich dir fragen. ;)

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik
  • dich fragen.

If you don't have a preposition that triggers dative/accusative and / or if you can't use "es", you use accusative. So it is dich. At least I can't think of something to prove me wrong at the moment.

EDIT There are counterexamples for my theory (see ubdip's posts) So I guess that you should see it more as a rule of thumb

  • Ich sage es dir.
  • Ich grüße dich.
  • Ich beneide dich.
  • Ich gebe es dir.

verbs that are built with prepositions don't count for my examples, because prepositions like an, auf, unter, etc. determine the acc. or dat. case themself already.

Maybe that helps you further with the cases.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Siebenundzwanzig

Oooh, danke. Das wusste ich gar nicht.

Also... kannst du mir bitte ein paar Beispiele für Dativ und Akkusitiv geben? (mit dem Wort "Fragen", meine ich)

EDIT:

Sorry, jetzt versteh' ich. xD Brauche die Beispiele nicht mehr.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/ubdip

I have counterexamples: Ich glaube dir. Ich schreibe dir.

But you are partly right, because normally after a dative object there can(!) be an accussative object, but it is not always necessary.

Typically you have to learn if a verb has a dative and/or an accussative object, but there are rules of thumb. E.g. a dative object usually participates in some way such as receiving something: Ich gebe dir eine Münze. (I give you a coin.) Ich schreibe dir (einen Briefe). (I write you (a letter)) Ich glaube dir. (I believe you)

An accusative object normally describes something that is used for something or that endures the action of the subject: Ich schlage dich. (I beat you) I schreibe den Brief. (I write the letter)

I hope this clarifies it a little bit.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik

@ubdip while you are correct I have to say that "Ich glaube es dir" and "Ich schreibe es dir" are also a way to express basicly the same.

On the other side you wouldn't say "Ich grüße es dich" or "Ich frage es dich". So I guess I should look for a better verb than "need" in my post.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/mainad

But "es" is just a placeholder for the object, no?

Ich sage dir etwas (3 - 4) Ich frage dich etwas (4 - 4) Ich gebe dir etwas (3 -4) Ich liebe dich etwas (ha. gotcha)

EDIT: What i'm saying, i guess, is that some verbs require an object, while some don't. This, afaik, has no bearing on the declination of the pronoun.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik

@mainad I guess it is a bit late and I am tired ^^ when I wrote what I wrote I just couldn't think of anything to disprove myself.

Maybe this topic is not really explainable like the german plural of words and has to be learnt for every verb if it calls for dative or accusative. But I thought that it at least goes into the right direction. I wouldn't say that you need to think about the "etwas" thing, I mean it is correct that you can say it with all the examples so I guess we should just focus on the es part (if you can use it or not).

Because I still don't think that I am totally wrong with assuming that if you can / have to use "es" , you probably need a dative object.

  • Ich erwische dich / Ich erwische es dir
  • Ich finde dich / Ich finde es dir ~
  • ~ should mean that it sounds awkward but is not wrong I guess.

Yes, I just went there to give examples where both things are possible, depending if you use es or not. I could probably go on with it but basicly I think it is a nice rule of thumb so far. Maybe I just should go to sleep now, lol. Maybe I will look at this tomorrow and think "What did I wrote there?" but maybe this whole thing is worth thinking about.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/mainad

Interesting thread (especially for the locals since it's not something we EVER think about )

Your examples both work, and have different meanings.

Ich erwische dich (i catch you) Ich erwische es dir = Ich erwische es fuer dich (i'll catch it for you)

Ich finde dich (i find you) Ich finde es dir = Ich finde es fuer dich (i'll find it for you)

In both cases the object (dich/es) is accusative. (while "dir" is a possessive something-or-other).

How does one ever learn this?

August 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik

@mainad in your examples

  • Ich erwische es für dich

we have the preposition für again which calls for accusative. The sentence has the same meaning as Ich erwische es dir. But I already wrote that I wanted to exclude prepositions.

Currently I think it is really a nice rule of thumb to remember when to use accusative- or dative objects.

I have to say that natives do these kind of mistakes all the time. Just as switching wie & als or wegen dem stuff ... so it isn't that easy I guess but definitely possible to get into with enough practise

August 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/G0108

I'm a native Portuguese speaker, but you don't need my help you're doing fine on your own! ;D

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/gabrielbires

Hey, i speak portuguese and english, and i really want to learn german! add me on facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002488071843 ) Thx!

August 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Kunstkritik

I don't have a facebook account. If you need help, ask me on Duolingo.

August 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/gabrielbires

Ok

August 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/natynat90

Danke to every native German speaker!!!!

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/pada.online

You're welcome! This is a great motivation to continue posting in the discussion forums and helping you guys and girls out.

August 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/nena5000

I am in complete agreement.

August 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Mister_De

Yeah, thanks to you all for your help!

August 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/flying4life

Agreed!

August 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Wusaweki

Gern geschehen!

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/schiffmeister

Vielen Dank an euch alle!

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/happykitten62

Ja, Danke!

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/koushik72

I also want to thank them:)

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/ubdip

It's a pleasure to help when the community is so kind.

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/kvistur

Vielen dank! Thanks all for your help!

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/alexm08021999

I just started my German tree....but thank you guys so much for what you do :)

August 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/nathansk8s

Das stimmt :)

August 21, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/BakusPrzemyslawa

i wanna to express my Danke too

August 21, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/0uO

Yeah, Thanks a lot for your help!!

August 21, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/MsLagerkvist2

Yes, I agree!!!

August 21, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Joeyshere

Ich liebe Deutsch!

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Siebenundzwanzig

Ich auch. :) Es ist meine lieblingssprache.. naja von denen ich sprechen kann... die zwei sind. :P

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Siebenundzwanzig

Ich hab' das gleiche Gefühl! Viele Deutschen hier haben mir viel geholfen, also.. danke schön! :P

August 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/velimirius

Im gonna join, danke schön :)

August 24, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/DominicOlin

DANKE

August 24, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/kristof.balog

Can someone correct this if necessary? Thanks in advance!

Wir bitten Sie! Ihren Fahrschein bis zum ausgang aufzubewahren, da die Fahrscheine und Zeitkarten ganzen Gebiet der U-Bahn kontrolliert werden können.

November 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/HerrDoktor15

Vielen Dank. Gehört über diesen Thread und wollte dir etwas Wertschätzung geben.

March 8, 2017
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