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- "My brothers do not have any …
"My brothers do not have any of them."
Translation:I miei fratelli non ne hanno nessuna.
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Nessuno/-a are both right, - as we don't know if 'them' are m. or f..
DL is not very good at isolating and pointing at what was wrong and probably you had an error somewhere else.
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Elsewhere, DL has said that when gender is unknown, masculine is used. However, it frequently breaks this particular rule for some reason, possibly just to keep us aware of the possible choices. it can be pretty confusing however.
I believe the definite article is omitted only when referring to family members in the singular. It is used when referring to family members in the plural. mio fratello non ne ha nessuna i miei fratelli non ne hanno nessuna
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Why is the definite article used with "fratelli" here? I thought it was omitted when discussing immediate family members.
CreyB gave you explanation, with members of family in plural we have to use definite article, only if we use singular we can't use it.
why is it nessuna, I wrote nessuno and it was wrong, others asking same question I see but no explanation
I had nessuno accepted on 21/01/2019; probably an error not fully corrected. But I believe grammatically in this case, since it isn't specified what "they / them" is referring to, both versions should be correct
Alcuno is positive, nessuno is negative, think of it as when people from texas say 'i dont have nothing'.
I'm not sure - in another sentence in this lesson "Mio figlio non ne offre alcuna" means "My son does not offer any of them", so "alcuna" was fine for that sentence. It seems it should be accepted here too (?)
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I think the Italian reasoning is along this line:
- if you don't have any,
- then you have less than one,
- and that can't be plural!
So you can't use 'alcuni/-e' as that means 'some' and is more than one!
(American English speaker) I think alcune would mean some, rather than none.
But I find it confusing: the word to translate is "any", not "none", and their dictionary hints are completely useless here.
I have learnt from previous lessons that Alcuni/e in positive sentences = some. In negative sentences the singular Alcun = any.
I miei fratelli non ne hanno alcun would therefore seem to be correct. But not accepted 8/8/2018
hmm. I forgot to use 'ne' for the translation of 'of them' and instead used 'di loro'. Is it wrong? 'I miei fratelli non hanno nessuna di loro'
Not sure. Why is it nessuna in the translated sentence here, "I miei fratelli non ne hanno nessuna."? I don't think we can tell whether it should be nessuno/a without context, can we?
I think that correct answers should also be: "I miei fratelli non ne hanno" and "I miei fratelli non ne hanno nessuno."
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Niente means anything in a negative (with non) sentence so I think your sentence translates to" My brothers don't have anything of them."
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It’s the difference between any and anything. In a negative sentence any is Alcuno/a or Nessuno/a while anything is niente.
I miei fratelli non ne hanno nessuno is now accepted 8/8/2018. Must have been an error before - These things get corrected when we report them . Keep up the good work people.
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In negative sentences the singular alcuna/alcuno is used and is equivalent to nessuna/ nessuno . They mean “any “as in you don’t have any( not one). In positive sentences you can use alcuni/alcune and they mean some.
Why is the article needed with my brothers here? Normally, with family members, it is omitted.
It stands alone in Puccini's aria Nessun Dorma, maybe by poetic license.
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Ne replaces the prepositional phrase “of them” or “about them” and is always placed before the verb.
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it does seem unfair to complain about a free site, but DL's habit of using the feminine form when it's not indicated anywhere could lead us to believe, incorrectly, that when the gender isn't known the default is feminine.
Why is "I miei fratelli non ne hanno nulla" wrong?
When do you use nulla vs nessuno/a?
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I don't understand why 'non ne hanno alcuno' isn't accepted here. In an earlier exercise 'non ne ho alcuna' was correct answer for 'I don't have any'. I'm now totally confused - what's the difference, please?
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why do you have to start with I - you have previously said that it was not necessary with close family
The second time I wrote "nessuna" but even this was wrong so now I am really confused!!!!
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Just wish DL would give better explanations. I used 'alcuna' because DL has definitely used it in the past with this type of sentence.
Because the object in this sentence is evidently feminine.
Example: He has no daughter (although "he" is masculine, "daughter" is feminine). Lui non ha nessuna figlia.
That's what i thought, but the dictionary say I miei fratelli non hanno nessuno di loro!
