What language next?
I want to do Dutch or Latin. What do you guys want?
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I am defiantly for Dutch haha, although I still feel that Russian and Chinese should come soon because of the large amount of content on the web in those languages and due to the number of people speaking them.. (plus a lot of people seem to want to learn Russian)
EDIT: I speak dutch, just that I want it so I can let my friends learn it (and to keep mine up) xD
Sorry, I assumed that Standard Chinese (a.k.a. Putonghua, Mandarin) would be the obvious choice and wouldn't need any explanation, seeing as the other dialects such as Cantonese, Tae Chiew or Hokkien are highly localised.
The use of Chinese dialect is already a rarity among the younger generations of Chinese in Singapore and Malaysia, despite preservation efforts.
I am sure that those involved in the incubation of Chinese at Duolingo are well aware that Putonghua is the only official language of PCR, Taiwan and is one of the official languages of Singapore.
Apart from Cantonese, what other dialect of Chinese has any claim to being a language of government, media and trade?
The big problem is that Duo really isn't geared towards learning Japanese. I've given this a try (and sometimes still go back to it) and the trouble is basically this:
1) Learning kanji without being able to use them in sentences is nigh impossible. It kills motivation and doesn't work very well with one's natural language acquisition.
2) Learning Japanese without kanji means you cannot read anything the Japanese write, except for the simplest of children's books. And that in turn makes learning Japanese really hard.
3) Kanji for basic words often contain parts of other kanji that you have to learn first in order to understand why the kanji means what it does or sounds like it does.
So Duo would need a comprehensive software update that would make it possible to let you learn the kanji (which would be in a custom order) with tips on how they're built up. The lesson must then contain sentences with their use, but inevitably even the simplest sentences with your new kanji would normally also contain other kanji you don't know yet. So somehow we must make it clear that those words are written in kana for the time being, but only because you don't know the kanji yet. And as you learn the new kanji, Duo would have to then proceed and show them where it didn't show them before. Even this picture is speculative – who knows how many problems this model would turn out to have?
In other words, to adapt learning Japanese to Duo, Duo would need a huge and complicated software change, which would only benefit Japanese and none of Duo's other languages. I somehow don't see that happening.
I think it would be useful for other character based languages such as Chinese as well...I think somehow duoLingo needs to create a second incubator option for non-latin based scripts....a looser incubator that's more flexible for teaching the alphabet (of alphabet based langagues) or characters (for character based languages) or both (for languages like Japanese)...that way we could have langauges like Chinese, Japanese, Navajo, etc...
Again, to teach this effectively Duo would need a big software overhaul. For Chinese, it would probably need extra support as well as it is very different from the Japanese ‘system’, but it would probably be both very different from the hypothetical support for Japanese and very different from Duo as is.
You aren't going to be able to teach these languages effectively with Duo's current software. ‘Looser incubator’ is just words, it doesn't mean anything. And given that many languages which Duo's software could teach are either not worked on at all, or not nearly close to done, I think Duo's priorities should lie with improving and adding courses which it can support. Not to mention fixing the bugs in its current software.
Mandarin Chinese is a must. Literally every rational person would come to Duolingo. It would attract SOOO many people, Duolingo could make the news (if it hasn't already). After that probubly the next big one would be Arabic.
"They're going to be adding support for user-maintained languages by the end of the year, so Mandarin is pretty much a given." http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1fa3nu/iama_scientist_and_entrepreneur_named_luis_von/
So... by the end of the year.
Latin has had a huge impact on the world it is the bases for all the romantic languages, and has effected many Germanic ones too. it is also huge in scientific and medical fields. extremely useful for someone who wants to use it as a bridge to just about any European language.
Yeah! I've been studying Latin in school, but only so that i can translate stuff from Latin and that way it is soooo useless! I'd be great to be able to learn Latin like a real language (so that you could also speak, technically) because this way it is just far quicker and more efficient
Without question, Mandarin Chinese. Then after that? Maybe Arabic.
If we're talking about a language I would like to see kept alive, and has a rich history, and an abused people with their own culture for the preservation of that culture, history and language? (but admittedly, not a lot of speakers that would be a challenge to put together?)
Так можно и о русском сказать: русский - это чёрная дыра, шесть падежей, совершенный и несовершенный вид глаголов, спряжение, склонение, род, страдательные, действительные причастия, их образование - этот список очень длинный. Да так вообще о любом языке можно сказать. Если китайский нужен для работы (а его популярность в экономике всё растет и растет), то можно и за 2-3 года нормального обучения выйти на приличный уровень. Вы в интернете посмотрите. Если китайцы "выучивают" китайский, то почему нам этот язык по вашем словам недоступен? Вы сами пытались его учить (не один день, а хотя бы месяц)? Трудность многих людей привлекает, а не отторгает. Если по жизни боятся трудностей, то так и только с английским языком можно остаться, который не является панацеей в общении по миру ;)
Я учил китайский несколько лет и сдал успешно HSK на 4 уровень. Я не говорю, что китайский невозможно выучить или он прям гиперсложный. Я говорю о том, что чтобы им владеть в совершенстве - надо хорошо в него вложиться временем и потом постоянно, каждый день использовать. При этом сфера применения китайского языка многократно уже английского.
Все международные дела ведутся во всём мире на английском, в том числе в самом Китае. Сегодня Китай самая большая англоговорящая страна в мире и это в будущем будет только усиливаться.
Ну а какая ещё сфера его применения? Торговля с Китаем, перевод документации, помощь в переговорах китайцам и с китайцами. Учитывая, что образованные китайцы знают английский, китайский не такое уж ультра преимущество.
Моя мысль в том, что из прагматических целей китайский целесообразно учить только в том случае, если собираешься жить или работать долго в Китае. В остальном, это просто если он очень нравится. Собственно, со всеми языками аналогично, кроме английского.
Кстати, да. Русский - объективно тоже подобного рода чёрная дыра)) Хотя и не настолько, как китайский. Слава богу, что у меня русский родной.
А зачем абсолютнон выражение? Так рост экономики не сравнивается. Вопрос сам напрашивается: почему тогда рост экономики выражается в процентах, а не в числовом значении? Потому что это самый оптимальный показатель.
Т. е. вы утверждаете что США останется ведущей державой в ближайшем будущем?
В %-х ВВП измеряется, потому что так наглядно видно, насколько экономика превзошла саму себя прошлогоднюю. Абсолютное выражение тоже очень важно. Потому что если экономика уже очень развитая, то её рост на 2,5% как в случае США - это очень хороший показатель.
Единственный сценарий, что США радикально потеряют в мировом влиянии - это рассово-этнический кризис в штатах ближе к 30 году, который приведёт к потрясениям и возможно радикальному сокращению территории США или даже полному распаду по границам штатов. Но если они смогут преодолеть расовые противоречия, то экономически они будут всегда только сильнее чем сейчас.
I deeply love languages, and I'm currently using Duolingo both to brush up on all (well, most of) the languages I learned in college, learn another one (or two or three), and to teach my 3-year-old son to speak and read a second language. There are two languages that I learned that are not here yet: Latin and Greek. I love the game-like format of the program, and it's making my son very excited about learning a language. I would have preferred to teach him Latin before anything else, since it's still used by the Catholic Church and is also a source language for so many others, but since Duolingo doesn't have it yet, I was forced to teach him Spanish first. I vote that you guys develop a Latin program so that, perhaps by the time my daughter is 2 or 3 (she's 9 months old now), I can start teaching them both Latin. I'm very excited to see that you're working on Hebrew (and Klingon--my son saw it when I was letting him pick out of my list of finalists yesterday, and he's asked me multiple times today if it's ready yet.) already, though.
In summary, I want Latin and Greek! (Especially Latin!)
I think this is a classic case of ‘don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good’. We may not be able to get a time machine and let Cicero work on Duolingo, but Latin is still taught in schools and on the one hand that means we should be able to do a reasonable job, and on the other hand Duo would make learning Latin in school much more fun (and productive).
They seem to be working on English for Mandarin speakers, and looks to be released in beta already, but I'm not sure how complicated it is to reverse the content from the course to create and release Mandarin for English speakers, or add a tutorial to Chinese characters, etc... and also to bridge Mandarin to other languages (similar to the Russian for English speakers they are working on now)
How about Mandarin Chinese? China is a growing world market leader and, the Chinese are spread all over the world. We have a relatively large Chinese population in my country of residence and I would love to learn their language. Duolingo is a great site, so, please do come up with Chinese lessons.
Mandarin. Use Pinyin instead of Chinese characters. It will be much easier that way. Of course those of us who want to learn Chinese do want to know how to read the characters, but remember when we were younger we first learned how to speak before we could write. One can start learning Chinese characters when they can speak the lingo comfortably.
Latin would be great, and more so than most languages, users would benefit just from knowing a little. I don't know why anyone outside of the catholic church would need to be "fluent," but it would be great fun to know enough to read old texts and gain insight on loan-words.
I'm actually using Duolingo to familiarize myself with languages I'll need for grad school (religious studies), such as German, so that I have an easier time with the language courses. Latin would be GREAT if you wanted to study anything to do with ancient Rome or even Medieval/Renaissance times because that was the "lingua franca" of Europe so to speak.
Latin is NOT dead. I spent all of high school learning Latin and continue to read in latin privately. It underpins English and all romance languages and is EXTREMELY helpful in any area of science (Biology minor). More casual novels and other works are being translated into Latin (like my copy of "Hobbitus Ille"!), and it's easy to work it into your every day life. There are many groups, clubs, and societies that you can join to speak Latin with, so you won't be lonely :)
You're right! Latin is a must for anybody who wants to speak well a Latin language e.g. Portuguese, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian, and, sometimes, even German and other non-Latin languages. I wonder if Duo has plans for a Latin Course. I would be very interested in taking it.
Chinese (simplified) would be cool, but there must be a good reason why it does not already exist or at least under construction.
When people start learning Chinese, they should first learn to speak it before they start learning to read and write it, because Chinese has a language that is very different from that of English. After all, people learn to speak their first language before they learn to read and write in it.
Still not in the incubator. It’s difficult for Duo to make a Chinese course because they'd have to teach people Chinese characters, pronunciations and symbols altogether, which is not compatible with its programming. Before Duo has Chinese, you should def give ChineseSkill App a go, probably the best “Duolingo” for Chinese.
You could just use pinyin. I don't know about Apple products ( I imagine they<re no different), but the new Windows has pretty much seamless pinyin to 普通话。 My Android devices also have Pinyin and simplified resources. Maybe this was an issue, but that issue is rapidly fading, and by the time the project was finished in three years it would be a complete non-issue, as all of the legacy devices wouldn't be capable of .running the latest versions of the app anyways.
I agree, but then it's also teaching the duoLingo user how to add a new keyboard for inputting, though the drag and drop characters around to make sentences shouldn't be any more challenging than what they currently have. The difficulty in the back end programing is why duoLingo says they don't plan to have Chinese anytime soon...There was a post on another site (I think it's called Quota or something like that) where the co-creator said that they would do Chinese from English, but that it wouldn't be anytime soon. The reasons he stated were that it would require a lot of background work on their end that they weren't willing to do at this time and that the interest level wasn't there enough to invest the time needed (he said the interest in learning Chinese is 1/10th the interest of learning Spanish). I think that might be true for the general public, but I get the feeling most duoLingo junkies just love languages want to learn Chinese for the "cool factor"....I'm learning it because my husband is Chinese I need it to communicate with my MIL! Well, that and we live in Beijing....
I, too, and learning Chinese. Thank you for this information. I think, on another level, that learning Chinese will require a lot more repetition in the learning process than the trees in this program provide. It just has no relationship to European languages at all, so I find that it is taking me easily four times as long to learn as it would, say, German or Italian. But I'm not entirely sure I buy the argument about interface. Like I said, they could just use pinyin, which is Romanic script and just as available on the keyboard as Spanish or French. I will buy the lack of interest argument, but I think that's really unfortunate as China and Chinese have so much to offer.
LATIN!! It is the best sounding and most historically important language in the Western World (other than maybe classical Greek). People would be able to understand European languages faster and would help even English speakers with their grammar. And how awesome would it be to speak and have conversations like the Romans did? You'll finally be able to read the works of Cicero, Virgil, and even the Golden Ass from Apuleius as they were meant to be read..IN LATIN. With nothing lost in translation or misinterpreted. Also Latin would help anyone who is in the science field because most naming is done in Latin. Maybe one day Latin will be there to bridge the gap between language and cultural barriers as it was in the multicultural Roman Empire. Not just in the West but across the globe! Duo can make that happen!
Latin! It's such an interesting language and it's used as a basis for so many other languages; so it makes other languages easier to learn! There are so many people who either want to learn it or do know it for it to be a 'dead' language. I would really like to see it on here but other than that Chinese and Russian would be amazing languages to learn too!
I studied latin formally for 4 years and adored it! It makes me sad that duolingo chose to implement Klingon before the language that underpins most western languages today... I even went to the page with all of the new languages to see if I could contribute, but it's not even being thought of, apparently!
I would love to see Latin on Duolingo. It is still taught in schools, at least in Australia, USA and UK, and it is making a comeback.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/latin-lovers-20090517-b7fw.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/nyregion/07latin.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/latin-makes-surprising-comeback-in-state-schools-9677092.html
I agree. Although maybe different groups of people are working on these things.
Adding languages is mostly be done by contributors who're able to read and write the language. Software support for different pronunciations and the like is the purview of programmers. And the people who are adding the actual pronunciations for dialect X would not be able to add pronunciations for dialect Y and vice-versa.
RE: ARABIC. I was disappointed to receive the duolingo email today (2015-12-9) that didn't show that there was an Arabic course in development. The reasons to offer it are obvious--it's widely spoken in many regions and it's important historically and in current events. I've been trying to pick up a few words and phrases to communicate with some Syrian refugees where I live, using the Living Language app published by Random House Digital. It's all right, but I think duolingo could do a better job, especially if they have modules that effectively teach the alphabet.
arabic and chinese, as well as other asian languages, have a major problem built in concerning the alphabet--the entire language would have to be on a click-on keyboard----personaly, i am armenian, and i would like to see that language on here if only the typing barrier could be somehow overcome. there are a lot more armenian speakers than one might think, too
Yep, that part of the world is totally screwed. Gonna take decades for it to recover, and that's once it calms down!
Not all of the Middle of East is in ruins. And so what if it takes long for them to recover? The people there will still continue speaking Arabic. And perhaps if more people are able to understand Arabic then people will understand that Islamist are not as most people perceive them to be (violent, prejudiced, living in the past, etc) I don't speak Arabic, but I would love to, so that I can communicate with my fellow Africans and learns about their customs, traditions, poetry and history.