Duolingo notice board! - News Update
Would it really be so difficult for DL to maintain a short noticeboard, containg even bullet points, as to what is in development.
It could just be accessed by clicking on the Duolingo logo, at the top of the screen.
Simple things - Like Christmas Bonus Unit will be available from 1st December: Words will be rolled out to all users - expected date.... etc etc.
It would be so easy to do, and perhaps stop us clogging up the discussion pages with 'where did that feature go' , 'what's this new feature- which others can see and I can't?' etc
Surely so simple to implement, just to keep us informed. :)
Now that sounds like an excellent idea. It could even be implemented very quickly and easily by using a forum but making it read only to everyone except DL staff/moderators.
Come on DL, show us that you really can communicate with your users!
I've been meaning to post and ask for a feature like this this week myself. The information given out, about what the team are working on, has really taken a beating lately. They used to be a lot more active on the forums and on the blog, but lately the only news we've been getting is whenever a new course has graduated from the incubator.
Just give us a weekly, bi-weekly or monthly update on what you guys are working on! That's all we're asking for. It'd be nice to see how the languages that are added to the incubator are chosen, for example. Why add Danish and Swedish so close together, but forget about Norwegian? Why release Ukrainian for English-speakers so soon after the reverse course left the incubator, but the Asian languages, who have have seen the graduation of their reverse courses months ago, are still lacking a for English-speakers course to be worked on? I'm sure there's a reason, but what is it?
Don't we, the people who are on these pages for hours on end, some of us active members of the forums helping people, others actual volunteers who more or less work and build new courses for free, don't we deserve some updates and information of what's going on in your offices, of what's in the pipelines, etc.?
It would be so simple. When, in a former life, I worked for a library, there was a little monthly newsletter which came round called SLIC (This was pre-computer days) - It stood for Surrey Library.....something?
Duo should produce the same. It would hardly be time-consuming, and perhaps they could pluck a few interesting comments from the Forum pages to include too.
I'm too poor to even buy a newspaper these days; I get one about every 3 months, to try to catch up on things. So DL could be 'DL informative' and have a bit of up-to-date gossip included in it, as well.
I never realised Ramsay MacDonald wasn't still Prime Minister or more importantly that Jordan was having 'Breast Reduction' - getting rid of some of the grosser sized plastic space hoppers. These are all things we need to know :)
I think the reason they don't do it is that they are so computer-orientated that they've forgotten how to do things manually; Everything has to be crowd-sourcing or Social Media etc. A simple:
"Oi Tracy. Bung this note about the Mawayana course on the Newsletter page this week!"
They do have a hidden weekly "newsletter" for incubator contributors because they are the only ones who can make use of the information they offer. They also show us weekly information about the incubator contributors and staff. As for the how they prioritise the languages they've made this very clear in the reddit AMA.
Offering too much information can be a double-edged sword because people can eventually hold that against them. For example, users had a tantrum users over the new design of Duolingo, the absence of the vocabulary feature, TTS engines, and many other things.
It got to the point where any announcement they made eventually ended up with someone complaining about the missing vocabulary feature and arguments would ensue shortly thereafter. So this is a direct result of users' behaviour in my opinion.
Interesting point of view. Which certainly holds a lot of truth. Everyone went crazy with the loss of Vocab.
But THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! If someone had just said / announced / told us : 'We're temporarily removing the Vocab feature, because.....' It would have saved months of needless posting and whingeing.
they did tell us that after people asked....and then they told us we'd be getting it back 'shortly'......and that was sooooooooooooooo long ago......and now if you DARE to post anything asking when or if we will ever get it, then you get blasted by people for having the audacity to ask.....
this is a great application.....but it is not a very user friendly environment..the message to most of us is very clearly use it or don't.....but for heaven's sake don't complain about anything or make a suggestion or people jump down your throat
Margolf. Firstly I have just given you an up-vote, I share your frustration, which is why I've put this post on here. Never get angry or annoyed.
'Simple messages, to simple people from simple people '
It's all we ask. Get off your f***ing computers!!!
Alice, you seem like an incredibly smart man. Why do you have so much trouble with this concept? DON'T SWEAR IN DUOLINGO, THERE ARE CHILDREN HERE.
You have so much to add in other ways, I'd hate to see you get thrown out for your language. Best wishes, Mooms.
Mooms. I apologise to you and all DLers. I really don't like swearing, but was trying to use the word 'to make a point' of emphasis. I failed!! Obviously. I shall not try that experiment again. Sorry all. I have just asterisked it, so that this post won't become completely meaningless to latter readers.
Apologies All! :(
On the first link. That kind of proves the Importance of this point. That, after about 6 months, is the first time I've seen such 'buried' info! It has all the answers but has got lost. We need something tangible, up to date, short and precise. It can be written in multiple languages. English for English; French for French etc.
The comments just 'disappear'.
I think you're really confused as to what you want. Even if your feature existed. Such an old post would have been buried under a long list of "news" items. The same that is happening right now. Newer users wouldn't see it because it is simply old news.
Twitter posts are by design only 140 characters (about an sms message), and yet you still claim that is too much.
Your idea is simply short-sighted, 1 post per week means that it is 52 posts in a year, and 104 posts in two years. So users would have to review close to 52 posts to see that vocabulary "notice". This is excluding bug reports, and other notices that you believe Duolingo should inform you users promptly.
Dessamator. You have just killed your own argument. I've visited the site: It's page after page of crap! All we need is simple stuff, for non-computer-literate bods. Oh (I used to teach certain computer software for about 15 years) - and I am NOT a computer bod. lol :)
A great idea! I hope that Duolingo implements this (hopefully) new feature! Instead of mindlessly searching through the forums, we can easily reach the notice board without dealing with clogged posts!
A thumbs up and a lingot for you.
Thank you. It really is a very very simple idea! - No programming involved. Just a secretarial type function -perhaps posting a weekly update. [No offence meant to secretaries]
I'm posting this here to try to keep it near the top of the post! But at the time of posting, this thread has 134 votes. Luis, whose threads usually stretch to hundreds, because of who he is, has the thread, immediately above. He has accumulated 60. Loser! (That's just a poor joke)
But It does rather show some solidarity in wanting very simple info for general users. I think.
Hey! and seeing as this, at the time of writing, has picked up 124 positive votes, couldn't it be made a 'sticky' so that it doesn't get buried. Because it is such an obvious thing that we all appear to want! :)
EDIT : Up to 150 points now; I've checked Facebook, Twitter and Reddit, which are awash with stuff, like most Forums. You still have to plough, through for answers.
Someone needs to switch off their app or computer, Take a single piece of paper, and think this is what really needs to be said this week! - This is what people want to know. and then post it. Just give us the 'meat' of what's going on. We don't need the full 'to do' list.
This is a fantastic idea. In fact, it's been discussed and answered by Luis himself during a reddit discussion.
Hopefully this thread and the number of up votes it has increases the priority of this!
I don't know if numbers of posts or up votes makes any difference. Sometimes posts with tiny amounts of correspondence get to the 'Popular' Tab and some 'More popular - or rather even Unpopular (in terms of disagreement) but of interest stay buried.
But I don't know why a post gets put on 'Popular' OR who decides to make a 'Sticky'
My guess is that it must be an admin decision, and for once, not some computer algorithm. (I had to resort to a dictionary to spell that last word. lol :) )
Hi fellow Italian, French and Spanish learner! In my post, I was referring to increasing the priority of this for the Duolingo team rather than the position of the thread on the Popular tab.
He he he. I did get your point. The position is irrelevant. But getting it noticed by the team would have been what mattered. So you are 'right on the ball' but what made me smile was you saying we are learning the same languages..... lol
Yes. I'm learning 'Italian, French and Spanish' BUT you are learning 'Italian, Spanish and French!' ahahaha. Well it gave me a small chuckle anyway.
Keep them up! :)
Oh. Someone commented, somewhere, that DL like to announce things on various Social Media!
I don't do Twitter. I gave up on Facebook years ago (Even though it led to some interesting times with old girlfriends.lol :) ) I don't know what 'Social Media' is! -
Well Duolingo is bloody 'Social Media' - Surely this is the one place to 'announce things.' :)
[excuse my bad language - the 'b' word]
I wrote 'someone' ; I should have written Dessamator... who always, always writes well-thought comments :)
True - not to me anyway; but to some it is. If you want bad language I can outdo anyone.
Try this - first two lines to a poem...and these are the 'cultured bits:
It gets cruder later. lol
They will never do this because as soon as the date's out there the community moans like crazy if the feature isn't delivered on time. Better to keep it a surprise.
We don't need deadlines or dates at all. As Maddy said, all we want is some general information on what they're working on at the moment, and perhaps some explanations here and there on why they chose this instead of that, among other things.
Swtoby has hit the nail on the head. I wish I could have expressed it so plainly. Perfect post! :)
The dates were just meant as an example. They needn't give exact dates; because we all know how retarded some of them can be! lol. But some general indication of what is being done - in the pipeline - would go a long way to de-anonymise the team!
Explanations as to why certain changes were being made would be helpful - Such as 'we've removed this - as it won't fit with our Swahili to Hebrew course!' etc... That's what I'm asking for. Just explanations.
this is a fantastic idea and one that should be simple enough to implement!!
Why is this thread, with 176 up votes and 54 comments, not at the top off the 'popular' discussion section?
I really don't know, Some time s a tiny thread with few votes or comments can appear there, for seemingly no reason. At one time this thread had a 185 up-votes . but they diminished fairly quickly - some Troll down-voters. I just don't know. But I still think it is a useful thread. thanks for your comment.
This is probably an item in Duolingo's "Todo-list of to-do's".
The reality is that Duolingo already has such a list as any big project has. Otherwise it would make the code, project hell to maintain. But the fact is that it probably isn't in a "suitable" way for non-software developers /non-IT people. So they are unlikely to openly display this information.
Duolingo's blog contains many updates, yet people repeatedly ask the same questions, the same way they do ask for languages, regardless of the big incubator notice in the forums.
If any notice board has to be implemented, it should be done in a seamless way, that informs users even when they don't want to be informed. That is the only certain way of reducing the clutter in the forum.
P.S. I think Duolingo really favors Social media for updates, and Duolingo's forums for general information that the minority likes to read.
This is probably an item in Duolingo's "Todo-list
You're correct. Luis said so himself during a reddit discussion.
Bit of a warning though. On Reddit,,from4 months ago Luis describes their own 'to do list' as 'Very Loooooooooooong...'
Here's an Idea. Put Luis in a cell. No computer. Just a single piece of paper and a pencil.
'Now son. You have just one piece of paper, Scribble and fill it, and you won't get another! -so go careful! [That should be carefully - I hate ppl sodding around with adverbs ]
You have a nice pencil sharpener, so there's no excuse for not producing lots of nice words. You just need to think what you really want to say. You can fill both sides.
There'll be another fresh blank sheet, in a week!
There-in lies the wisdom of a newsletter, for all us devoted DLers.
Here's a thought, if you or other users are so concerned about the need for information, then do it yourself. There is enough information in the forum or elsewhere that they have made to generate these news. A whole Duolingo wikia was created because we wanted to facilitate use of Duolingo, and is maintained solely by volunteers.
There is also a weekly incubator update made by users, that is far more interesting than anything staff would ever be able to make (the staff even indicated that they like it), and there are even people reporting weekly about other things. The second AMA was made possible by a regular user who requested it from Duolingo. So really if you want something done, get off your lazy behinds and do something about it.
News is by definition better if it is reported from the outside. An internal newsletter is just propaganda and entirely biased, and much less useful, in my opinion. Also nothing seems to be enough, twitter (140 character posts) are too much, facebook is too much, individual posts in Duolingo is too much. So if you want something done right do it yourself.
Honestly Dess. I would love to do it. I am not lazy. I spend hours on here. I just wouldn't have the technical ability to know where to start! :(
I have to disagree. I find the external stuff to be propaganda; adverts; self- publicisation.etc. - Lots of colourful pictures of owls and and 'xx million users' statistics etc.
We are already 'sold to' - we don't need 'selling to' again. The majority of people writing in this thread ask for simple info - bullet points - as I wrote in the original post. Just brief points as to the main things happening.
Take the social media-ising out and give us short fact. If that gives rise to more comments on the discussion pages, then so be it. It would just be nice for DL to be communicating directly with us.
No clever pics.Just a few pertinent points.
As psionpete said they could make it a blog for staff / mods only- read only- But I think that would be too much.
A carefully edited and thought-about weekly newsletter would be the way forward. Say something we all knew would be new every Monday or Thursday morning. Something to look forward to.
Hello Lindaljc. My cat Molly has come to say hello to yours lol. She wants a weekly newsletter too.
La mia Gatta dice ciao.
Am I looking in the wrong place? The Last posting in 'the Official Duolingo blog' was December 2013. Can you give a link if there is a more current site?
The only other places (that I know of) are these:
There is also a hidden forum that is only easily visible to incubator contributors (and people who know its URL) because the news relates to features they use. I won't share that particular forum because Duolingo doesn't seem to want it to be common knowledge.
I've just done what I swore I'd never do. I looked up DL on Twitter. I joined Twitter Years ago; thought this isn't for me, and have never used it since. OK There's a lot of info on there; too much! We only need some simple updates on here.
But this is what really saddens me. There is an article about the launch and progress of DL: It shows Pre-launch Owl; Launch Owl; and current Owl.
I want Launch Owl Back!!! He was perfect. I think I'll run a campaign. lol
There's a lot of info on there; too much! We only need some simple updates on here.
Yes, that's just what they need to do, offer simple updates so people ask for much much more. Users will never be satisfied, users don't know what they want, and that is something software developers have realized since the dawn of IT/CS.
It contains a lot of interesting stuff, that we should have been drip-fed over the years,on DL's own pages.- A weekly newsletter etc and a general noticeboard. Surely!
OK DL wants to advertise itself,understandably, but even DL admitted,in the early days,it all took off by word of mouth. Well we are the 'mouths'! - Feed us and we'll spread it wider than you can imagine.
It would even be useful just for announcing stuff when it appears. That would eliminate the constant browsing, looking for posts about new stuff :)
Exactly. It is such an obvious thing to have, It's surprising we haven't had one from the beginning! It could also have a few links to the most obvious places like 'the rules and regs for postings' etc. At the moment it is as if DL don't want to communicate with us and we have to search these things out by ourselves.
Most of us on here are NOT computer bods:)
s/be 'containing' - but some little bug wipes the whole post if you try to edit
The very first notice could be - Benvenuto -Welcome to the New DL 'Notice Board.' lol :)
I've had sometime to think. This is what I would like to see. By clicking on The Duolingo logo, sitting in the top-menu, a weekly newsletter appears. It is dated 'Monday xxth of XXXX, 20XX, or whatever.
There are a couple of backward and forward arrow-buttons, so that you can very quickly scroll backwards and forwards between previous and latter editions. (Copies)
It contains very briefly some pertinent points that 'might' be of interest to us long term DLers. It may have some news for new DLers. It would be 'in short' an 'Internal Magazine' for people - A captive audience interested in reading it!
It wouldn't have to be comprehensive, as we all, amongst the community, would have a million things we might wish to say! And I already have a title for this Rag - simply 'Duolingo'- can anyone think of a better one?
And how many discussions about the new coach feature might have been unnecessary!
I'm currently at Level 17 in Esperanto for English speakers and must say that I haven't learned anything NEW in a long time. Yes, it's a good review, but I think it would be wonderful if Duolingo programmers would introduce new vocabulary and phrases to users at the higher levels -- say past Level 12. Does anyone agree with me?