https://www.duolingo.com/thistletwit

Welsh Duolingo!

Hi, I'm from Wales, UK and I'd love to get a Welsh setting up on Duolingo! I started learning Welsh at the age of 4 and have been in Welsh education for the last ten years and love it! (That also means learning French and Spanish in my 2nd language at school!) I think it would be great to get a setting up for the Welsh language up because it would mean that the language would be more universally acknowledged. For those that don't know, Wales is a small country in the west of the United Kingdom which is a country in itself; with old traditions and festivals and a language! Wales also has a small settlement in Patagonia, Argentina, which will celebrate 100 years of existence next year.
I know many people in English eduction that have to take Welsh exams, but struggle with their learning. Having a Welsh setting would be just like anyother, and it would encourage more to take an interest, not to mention help learners! What does everyone think?

8/23/2014, 12:55:32 PM

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https://www.duolingo.com/DeroGoi
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Have you applied to the Incubator? http://incubator.duolingo.com/apply

8/23/2014, 1:10:12 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/thistletwit

I've had look at the Incubator, and it looks great! The only trouble is, Welsh isn't even registered on the language list. If I were to create it as a setting, that would mean I'd have to write it completely by myself, and that is really quite a lot to do!

8/23/2014, 1:19:17 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/DeroGoi
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You can still apply, in fact, if you have any friends or family who also speak Welsh, you wouldn't have to do it alone! I've never seen Duolingo only have one contributor for a course, so if you recruit enough people to sign up, it can become a reality, and trust me, you won't be by yourself.

8/23/2014, 1:27:24 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Hdn2000
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The only course that has one contributor is the Portuguese course... But then again, that was created by Staff, and not by an Incubator team. I completely agree. Go ahead. :)

8/23/2014, 6:08:55 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/TanagerMoonmist

You can apply for any language you want, the Incubator list is more like a random sample of languages. Just click on the Enter Other option.
Now, I don't know exactly how Duolingo's process of adding new languages works, but I presume that when they want to start a new course, they gather all the applications for the targeted language and pick one or two people to be moderators. These mods can then check the other applications and add more contributors.

And I would love to learn Welsh!!

8/23/2014, 1:28:40 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/thistletwit

Thanks for your help, DeroGoi and TanagerMoonmist! I'm going to research further into what I can do first, then decide what to do next. :) For others reading, - would you be interested in learning Welsh? Not only the other points listed above, but Welsh is also the oldest and most historic language in Europe! Sadly, it is also a dying language, with only 500,000 people speaking it nowadays. (20%of the Welsh population). Duolingo will be a good way of keeping it alive and fresh, which will enable people all around the world to speak it!

8/23/2014, 1:56:01 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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Great you want to do this! It is shame that it declined over the last century but it does seem to be on the up again a bit! Although 23% (according to the census apparently, it varies a bit depending on the source) is still a healthy percentage for a minority language that was oppressed for so long! Needs to be higher though! My family is originally from Anglesey where Welsh is still dominant (75% speak Welsh), but I wasn't taught it as I grew up in England! :(

8/23/2014, 2:52:23 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/hinterland

Welsh is an interesting language, but to call it "the oldest and most historic" is very inaccurate for several reasons. British isles have other Celtic languages, most importantly Irish which has been in continuous use in Ireland for thousands of years, just like Welsh and its ancestor in Britain. In Europe, there's at least one language that stayed from the times before Indo-European languages (including Celtic) moved into the area. And in absolute terms, no modern living language can be called the oldest one because they all have been in continuous development for longer than modern science can reach. If you want to sound accurate, you can say "Welsh is the earliest remaining language in Britain".

8/23/2014, 2:47:08 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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Welsh is the oldest 'living' language in Europe according to many sources, in the same vein Basque and Albanian may also argue for this title but its a close run thing, in any case there probably isn't really a way a prove one over the other but it is very good candidate for oldest language in Europe according to many linguists. I live in Ireland now but haven't come across anything saying Irish is the oldest language (although it definitely is old!) I certainly don't think that abitoferryfink is incorrect in what she said as it cannot be proved otherwise.

8/23/2014, 3:15:55 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/hinterland

I explained that in my previous post already, BritBlue. Without additional clarification any claim of any language being the oldest living one is nonsensical, because they all develop from earlier stages which goes deeper than historical linguistics can deal with. The fact that you've read about Welsh being the oldest one, but not about Irish doesn't help your understanding of these things. Both Brythonic and Goidelic languages came to British isles long time ago (maybe even together) and speculations about one group coming there earlier than the other are unproven and biased.

8/23/2014, 3:30:43 PM

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Irish and Welsh are as old as each other I think. They both descend from a Proto-Celtic language with Irish developing in Ireland and Welsh developing in Britain (the Irish word for the Welsh language is "Breatnais"). As far as I know, Irish literature is older than Welsh and is the third oldest in Europe after Greek and Latin.

8/23/2014, 9:13:39 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/CallumRoy
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Language age is arbitrary, since languages change through time (as well as from speaker to speaker) and become a different thing with each change.

8/25/2014, 2:06:24 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/PatGoD67

Would love to see Welsh on Duolingo. I hail from Wales, but it's a constant source of embarrassment that I speak very little Welsh. I periodically check to see if there's interest, and it's usually quite overwhelming, so I believe the enthusiasm from fellow Duolingers is there. Let's keep the faith alive! Fe godwin ni eto!

5/6/2015, 9:57:48 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/BenTheGeek
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After you click on the big, green button, you're all set! You should receive an email from Duolingo soon after!

This is also posted here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/4255693

8/24/2014, 2:50:25 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/maddyis7

At the bottom of the list you will see the word 'other' - select that and choose Welsh. But you may prefer to do English to Welsh (for Welsh learners) - The reverse course Welsh to English, would perhaps be less popular, as most Welsh (99.9%) already speak English! lol :)

Do have a serious think, because it's a big commitment; several hours a week at least; but you would get help.

8/23/2014, 2:06:50 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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"most Welsh (99.9%) already speak English!" You obviously haven't been to the Valleys..... ;P (disclaimer - my immediate family is from the Valleys so I'm allowed to say it!)

8/23/2014, 2:39:59 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/maddyis7

"99.9%" was meant as a euphemism for 'most' and not a statistic! lol. But I have been to the Valleys and very beautiful they are too (in places) :)

12/2/2014, 8:31:54 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/BenTheGeek

You just click on "Contribute to a course", and then scroll all the way down the "Choose Language" list and then click on "Other Language", and then type in "Welsh", and then do the rest!

8/24/2014, 1:35:33 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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Yay! I've been trying to teach myself Welsh (I'm half Welsh) but having a course on Duolingo would so brilliant! I'll be first in line! I would help with the course if I was more fluent..... :D

8/23/2014, 2:32:16 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexisLinguist
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Ha ha, this post had your name on it everywhere. :)

8/24/2014, 1:19:50 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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yep! Just in case anyone didn't realise I want a Welsh course.....

8/24/2014, 10:20:26 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/maddyis7

You want it! You go for it. You could be the first person to get it instigated. I'm pretty sure you will get several enthusiastic contributors to join you. Try to dig out contributors to other languages to find out what's involved. Think of the satisfaction you could get from knowing you are teaching Welsh to the World.

I, for one, would be first up for the course! :)

8/23/2014, 1:59:23 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/itsjeremylemon

This is exciting! I am determined to learn Welsh when I feel confident in my German. There aren't a lot of Cymraeg resources on the net (at least that I have found). Good luck and thank you!

8/23/2014, 2:31:53 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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This is a good resource that I've been using, you've probably already come across it but here it is if you want a look... http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learnwelsh/pdf/welshgrammar_allrules.pdf :) Nice little article about the Celtic languages as well http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/mind-your-minority-language-welsh-gaelic-irish-and-cornish-are-staging-a-comeback-8454456.html

8/23/2014, 2:38:11 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/GrifBen
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This would be amazing! I've wanted to learn Welsh for years to connect a little more with my ancestry, so this would be perfect! You should definitely apply

8/23/2014, 3:24:54 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/thistletwit

Diolch am y negeseuon hyfryd! Thank you for all the positive feed back everyone :) It just gives me more and more reasons to start a Welsh course! I am still at school and I'm quite young with not a lot of free time, but I'll see what I can do. It's still the school summer holidays over here but when I return in September I'm going to ask a lot of my friends if they would be willing to help me. Ideally, a group of us would meet up once a week and get to work for a few hours... Time will tell! I will let you all know how things are going (If I can get it set up!) Thanks for all your support! Diolch am eich cefnogaeth!

8/24/2014, 11:18:35 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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It would be a great thing to put on your UCAS form! Diolch a phob lwc! The guy who helped with the Irish course (AlexinIreland) is also still at school so you would be in good company!

8/25/2014, 8:05:50 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Rewjeo
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I'd love to learn Welsh! I'm from the US, but I have ancestors from all over the British Isles, and I've spent a lot of time over there visiting relatives, so I am quite interested in all of the Celtic languages there. I don't know too much about Welsh specifically, as I've mostly been researching Irish in preparation for the course here, but I'd gladly take any excuse to learn more.

I see there has been a discussion about you applying to the incubator, and I hope you do, along with anyone else you might know who would want to contribute.

8/23/2014, 4:04:33 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Ebrill_April

:-) This would be interesting. I learnt Welsh in school, but since I left school over ten years ago now and have since moved to another country, I have sadly forgotten most of it. :$

So, if you make a Welsh course, I will gladly do it.

(PS. The Welsh flag is one of the best looking flags out there. :D )

8/23/2014, 6:38:05 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/EmilySTaylor

I just moved into the Welsh education system (from England) and have to take a GCSE in Welsh...So this would be great

8/24/2014, 12:31:33 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/thistletwit

Yes this is what I think the course would be great for! :)

8/25/2014, 11:07:58 AM

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A thousand yes pleases! :D Welsh is the one language I'd really love to see here one day. I would love to learn Welsh, and I actually prefer it to my own 'native' (Scottish) Gaelic. The lyricalness, the unusual sounds and the awesome spelling that demonstrates the language's uniqueness on paper... If I was going to be a scion of the Celtic languages like my ancestors were, Welsh is what I'd choose to save.

In case that and the other interest you've received in this thread isn't hearty encouragement enough, I found the threads that kept my hope alive for seeing Welsh on Duolingo (as well as lingots). Maybe you'll find other potential contributors to connect with, if you need. :) https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3450975 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1613253

Good luck! :)

8/25/2014, 1:15:50 AM

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Hmm, I've just looked at the application form. It is a little bit disappointing that there are flags for Dothraki, Klingon and Sindarin in the incubator but as yet none for Welsh :/

I personally would take the whole course just so I can understand what's going on with the bloody writing, heh.

8/24/2014, 11:53:01 AM

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I would love to learn it! I tried BBC course but it was a bit too complicated and I didn't have enough time to do it appropriately. Duolingo is much better since you can progress here even with little practicing. It would be great to have Welsh here.

8/24/2014, 2:11:50 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/BritBlue
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I tried the BBC website as well but it seems a bit all over the place! The way Duolingo teaches would be much better.

8/25/2014, 8:07:15 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Sue_Green

Yes my daughter is learning welsh and would love it!

8/23/2014, 9:19:56 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/blissperry
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I don't know too much about Welsh, but I think it sounds like a great potential addition to the site. You should definitely apply to the incubator. Is it related to Irish at all? Or rather is it a more distant cousin of English?

8/23/2014, 7:02:20 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Rewjeo
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Welsh is related to Irish, as both are Celtic languages. They are in different branches within that group (Irish, Scottish, and Manx are the Goidelic/Gaelic languages, while Welsh, Cornish, and Breton make up the Brythonic/Brittonic ones) but do share certain similarities, including VSO word order and terrifying (but different) orthography.

We don't know exactly when the two groups split. The Celts were not native to the British Isles, but rather migrated there thousands of years ago. It's possible one group came that later split, or that there were multiple movements, one being Brythonic and the other being Goidelic. The former would make them pretty closely related, while the latter would make them potentially only distantly related.

The only distinctly British "language" that would be close to English would be Scots, which tends to be considered more a dialect than a language, at least by Scottish people.

8/23/2014, 10:18:19 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/blissperry
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Cool! Thanks!

8/23/2014, 11:20:52 PM

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Hi - if there was a Welsh course on here that would be fantastic, so if you have the language skills to do it I would say go for it. I would love to learn Cornish too ( Kernow bys Vyken), but recognise that Welsh is more likely to go on here first, which is cool because Wales is a fab place and it's all the same language family.

Do it!

8/23/2014, 10:29:39 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/PinguimRei

Would love to learn Welsh!

8/24/2014, 12:52:34 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

> I know many people in English eduction that have to take Welsh exams, but struggle with their learning.

I don't know why I've never considered the students who learn a 'heritage language' in school but tend to speak English at home with their family. Duo would be amazing in schools over there. I hope you get something started. =)

8/24/2014, 1:16:44 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/thistletwit

I know a lot of people in my school are 2nd language speakers. As soon as they get home they speak English (including me, .....) haha I think a course would encourage more people to speak it!

8/27/2014, 10:19:07 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/nflexer

I'd just like to add a word of encouragement as I'd love to learn Welsh and would definitely do the course.

9/13/2014, 2:49:24 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/hrvatchris
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Adding the Welsh language would be a great addition to Duolingo. The Open University are stopping their Welsh language course this year. However, the BBC have the Big Welsh course which is great if you have an internet connection all the time. There are increasing numbers of Welsh learners taking up the language and there is significant support from the Welsh Assembly Government, with the British Council also involved in supporting the learning of the language. There is also a standardisation of the Welsh language learning curriculum in Patagonia via the Welsh Assembly Government. I am currently taking a Foundation Level Welsh distance learning course with Lampeter University. It's great but having access to a Duolingo learning option would be great. I'm happy to see the Danish addition and look forward to the Russian too! I'm sure that there would be a good level of demand for the Welsh course both in and outside of Wales though! Fingers crossed!

12/1/2014, 7:13:11 PM

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I just spent a year living in Wales and I am completely in love with the country and its language. However, my knowledge is very, very basic. Given the amount of passion Welsh people have for keeping the language alive, I'm so surprised not to see a course on here. I think it may be wise for those of us who would like to see a Welsh course to promote Duolingo to pro-Welsh outlets. I would love to see one of the Welsh colleges or universities take it up as a project.

3/6/2015, 3:33:22 AM

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I would love for Welsh to be on here to learn. I am in the US and there are so few resources with which to learn.

4/1/2015, 3:45:45 PM

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4/1/2015, 4:37:52 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Angharad_Blaidd

I asked for this too! Keep our heritage and the language alive!

10/3/2015, 2:21:20 PM

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Bumping this thread again, but I second this proposal! Celtic languages are sadly dying out, and, since it's so popular, Duolingo can be a great tool in keeping them alive. :)

2/20/2015, 8:45:34 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/spikey23p

I would absolutely LOVE to learn Welsh! I have so much welsh heritage.

8/21/2015, 2:35:04 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/DePitchford

Do It! I lived in Wales for a time, and even though a good bit of my family is Welsh, I never picked up the language. I would love for someone to add it!

8/27/2015, 3:41:21 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/HuwWilliam

I'd love to learn Welsh on duolingo. I'm learning French at the moment, but Welsh would be my first choice if it was available. I live in Wales, so it would be far more useful & easy to practice. I think it would really help to keep the language alive. I'd love to introduce my daughter to it as well, once she can read English! (She's 4)

10/18/2015, 3:12:55 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/HuwWilliam

Great to see progress being made in the incubator. Thanks very much to all you contributors!

10/20/2015, 12:31:21 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/GeorgeCairns

Would it be North or South Welsh?

11/5/2015, 11:07:58 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/ChristianKuhn7
11/9/2015, 2:29:32 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/keithcymry

Thank you, thistletwit for getting the ball rolling and making Cymraeg happen on duolingo. Because of your efforts, I now have a convenient and easy means of learning the language of my ancestors.

8/14/2016, 11:20:13 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/pearnor

I do not want this Spanish duolingo and want to get to the Welsh course

1/23/2017, 1:16:03 AM

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Hi, greetings, i read a lot about Wales, Gwynnedd, Morganng and Powys Kingdoms, and i agree that is worth to learn that amazing language, i think Welsh are the truest Britons, from Vortigern to Tudur dynasties Wales have a lot to tell. I don't only want to learn the language of that Romano-British Post Culture, i want to know everything on them, ive just read that they have a colonie en Patagonia, amazing i hope the language will survive there as they do on Wales. Im sorry i have no order im too excited about this, i don;t know where to start haha. CYMRU! By the way, let me introduce myself, im Emilio please to meet you i hope you could help me speaking well Cymru

6/19/2017, 3:18:15 AM

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Hi Thistletwit, mae llefydd newydd ar gael ar dîm Cymraeg Duolingo os dych chi dal eisiau cyfrannu.

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