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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

ESPERANTO for ENGLISH speakers... here it comes! :-D

Good evening everybody,

I'm starting this tread because I have great news for you! I have just checked my mailbox, and duolingo sent me a mail...

"we think you are a match to moderate Esperanto for English speakers.".

How exciting!

Stay tuned for more information ;)

Swdreamk33

August 25, 2014

111 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrandApple

Great! Congratulations! EDIT: I went to check the incubator page to see if Espernato was there and I found something interesting.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

Thanks! Yes, indeed, that's another very interesting discovery. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ludoviko2013

Do you both speak about the option of Esperanto on the "Contribute to a Course" page? Is this new or didn't they Esperanto there some time ago?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

No, this is not something new ;) Mr.Macy was talking about Irish and Danish. Both of them are now available.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

I wish i had read this last comment because I just went over there searching the phase 1 course listings looking for whatever the something interesting might be (not that its not all interesting. But, I thought i might find another conlang and kept scrolling back through because I wasn't seeing it lol).

Congrats on the email! I know that several people have been eagerly awaiting the course! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MystyrNile

What happened that was interesting?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luko.

i think they meant the beta courses for irish and danish


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ChukyBlairBass

I just aplied for Catalan for Spanish speakers course, and I got an email where they said that they would be putting some more courses on the next weeks and they would tell me something. I suppose this is the standard answer. Actually I didn't expect an answer.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

Well, my application was more than a year ago. At that time, I received the same kind of standard answer.

Catalan would be great here. If there are already other contributors for Catalan for Spanish speakers, it may be possible... :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ChukyBlairBass

good to hear that :), i read in the forum sometime ago of someone who applied for Catalan for Spanish speakers, so I suppose there are other people out there waiting for the same occassion.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

I suppose you are right. Let's hope :=)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ChukyBlairBass

It seems so wierd to me that someone is willing to learn Catalan!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GeniusJack

I am! It's a beautiful language, with an equally beautiful culture and history!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

Knowledge is key to many things! Now, I'm focusing on my target languages. Perhaps later I'll try Catalan for fun, or because I would be going to Barcelona!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ReidHT

I would love to learn Catalan! Its basically a mix of the two languages I know the most of (besides English), those two being Spanish and French.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BuddyRey

This announcement, as well as the debut of Irish and Danish, has just made my entire summer!!! Thanks so much to all of the amazing people here (users, staff, and contributors alike) for helping to make this possible! I can't wait to start communicating with everyone in the incredibly fun, living, beautiful language of Esperanto! Of course, we'll all have plenty to do in the meantime, thanks to the new trees! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lancet

Great news! I originally applied to moderate either the Irish or Esperanto courses here, and my hands are more than filled at the moment with Irish so I'm glad E-o is getting off the ground! Sukceson!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xujie

Bonege, gratulon!

Kaj mi povas helpi fari Esperanto-kurson por Ĉinlingvaj parolantoj.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luko.

tute bona ideo! mi esperas ke iam estos esperanto-kurso por ĉinanoj :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Junesun

Great! Hope we'll finally move forward!

I checked out your Facebook and I'm surprised I never met you, since I go to so many Esperanto events for people our age. Are you active in the movement?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jsprwstr

That is amazing! Congratulations!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ALoUSyUseRnaME

Congrats! That's awesome!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ludoviko2013

Wonderful :-D So, finally, things advance step by step...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rhythmixed

OH MY GOD YES SO MUCH HAPPENED TODAY AND I WAS AT SCHOOL AND I MISSED ALL OF IT


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luko.

Yeees! I'm too exited, I'll explode!!!!!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mitchell_MT

Congratulations!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AcingCoder

Nice! Looking forward to it! Always wanted to learn Esperanto.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tonywangtj

LO.OKing forward for your good news for the Esperanto course for English speakers ;D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ReidHT

I think my brain just explded!! With JOY!!! Congratulations!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CallumCrow

Yes! I want this more than any other language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ptoro

Awesome! Start looking for an Esperanto TTS now!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daylightmontes

I'm so excited :) I already know some esperanto but finally some of my friends will be learning it :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quirkyowl

Just as I thought my day couldn't get any better (with Danish now being in beta) I see this! I'm learning Esperanto on Lernu, it'd be amazing to have it on duolingo too! So excited!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Red_Rat_Writer

Yay, now I can get motivated to try my hand at Esperanto again. Hopefully it goes though the incubator quickly : p


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zach1337

Herzliche Glückwünsche!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tcql

Fantastic timing too! The Twitter Esperanto translation project just started this past week, and now this? eeeexcellent :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iustitia

Bone bone bone! Mi estas tre felicxa! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Osomu

omg i can't wait :0 I usually shy away from tackling more than 1 language, but i can't wait to learn Spanish and Esperanto together. (:


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MystyrNile

Mi esperas ke vi havos bonsxancon. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MystyrNile

I've read that for exclamations like this, usually -e is used, like "Bonege!".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Platypus01

OK, bonegaj novajxoj then. Maybe that is the reason I'm happy to see a course?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ludoviko2013

Prave :) (Or: Prava rimarko!)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nbsnyder

Congratulations! Duolingo hasn't processed my application yet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jackmchugh12

any more information? :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

I have been dying for this course, for me this is the best news since Russian for English got started! Good luck!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rapn21

Bonega! That's great news. Today just keeps getting better and better (especially as I'm an Irishman with a Danish surname). Now that Irish, Danish and Dutch are released into Beta, they'll probably soon be some new courses in the incubator.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hojinkie

Congratulations! Just wondering...how long did you have to wait before the Duolingo team responded?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

Thanks! To be honest I don't remember when I applied. It must be between 8 months ago and a year ago.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hojinkie

WOW! You must be crazy patient. Did the Duolingo team ever contact you in between the initial email and this one?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

Yes, and I'm so happy :) No message between them ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hojinkie

Looks like I'm gonna have to wait a while for Armenian. Anyway, good luck!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Evisceratorium

Armenian, eh? Thanks for applying - I'd love to see some Caucasian languages on Duolingo. :) Have a couple lingots.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hojinkie

Thanks. The hard part is trying to get the approval. Have a few lingots yourself, I've got more than I need.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IInvader

some say that it is the most easy language to learn in the world .. how much is that true? and what makes it so easy?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tcql

Quick example; the affix system makes vocabulary much easier to pick up:

arbo - tree

arbaro - forest (lit: tree-collection)

arbido - sapling (lit: tree-child)

arbego - huge tree (lit: tree-big)

arbeto - little tree (lit: tree-small)

arbejo - arboretum (lit: tree-place)

There's 30-some affixes and a handful of prefixes, so getting ahold of those doesn't take too long. On top of the regularity of verbs and grammar, it's kind of great. I'm about 3 months in to learning and I have conversations online in esperanto basically every day. With a dictionary handy to fill in vocab gaps, I can express myself pretty well, especially for such a short timeframe.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

I wont be surprised if Duolingo kicks off a surge of new speakers for this language.

My main contemplation regarding Esperanto at the moment is how languages rest with the heart of a culture, and as cultures generally aren't static, language isn't either. That (and colonialism, which we could say has deeply impacted many cultures) has had a huge effect on adding to linguistic nuance of many languages. Will Esperanto remain a static language, and how might the logic of it stifle new expressions and diversity among future native speakers?

Edit: (not that im not thrilled with the suffix system. And maybe the suffix system has room for that flux and diversity. After all, one could create a lot of new suffixes if needed :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tcql

as quirkyowl said, it's pretty flexible. Often there's a common way to say something, but you can express things in another way using constructed words. Often, logical constructions are the accepted way to say something... For example,

kun -> with (as in I'm walking with you)

kune -> together (with + adverb marker... literally "withly")

kunligi -> to join (with + to link/to tie)

And the language is evolving. Many people in the movement are very firm about not reforming the language a ton, but those same people are generally in favor of allowing the language to evolve. So rather than making "official" statements about "here's the new way you do xyz", you just wait and see how things happen. Some people choose to say things certain ways, or new things start to get adopted by virtue of them being common enough in conversation. I think that if the language gets a large influx of speakers there may be some "growing pains", because (being a conlang) everybody has opinions about things that should be changed, but that's fine.

Anyway, sorry to go on about that :P Basically, I'm really excited for this because it'll be a great way to get more people interested in this awesome language


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

No I don't mind if you go on about it. That's why I posted the comment I did, to learn. :)

Thank you both for your replies!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Swdreamk33

Esperanto is, by far, the easiest language to learn. But it's still not effort-free, because no language can be that easy.

There are tons of reasons.

I'll just give the two I prefer:

  • one sound equal one letter. English is pretty disgusting regarding pronouciation... There are so many different phonems (something like 40) for just 5 vowels!

  • conjugation is child's play : One ending = one tense. No irregular verb, not even one. (More than a hundred in english, around 40 in spanish, a lot of them in french and german...)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quirkyowl

I think the beauty of it is you can use the words in whichever way you want to express yourself but still be understood: https://adventuresinesperanto.wordpress.com/category/constructed-esperanto-words/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MystyrNile

While i'm okay with the idea of the "mal-" prefix, i wish it weren't derived from a root meaning "bad", especially since "mal" is so recognizable to me as an English speaker as "bad". I prefer Ido's "des-", but when speaking Esperanto, i stick to its native "mal-".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iron_bun

The lack of an inherent culture could be seen as a bonus. If I understand correctly, Latin turned up in science because it was a dead language. That meant it didn't evolve with the natives so you don't get people saying, "It's just not cricket." because their textbook was written fifty years ago, and it was culturally more neutral. By getting everyone involved to use a non-native language, you put them on a more even footing.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OldSpiceGuy

Latin turned up in science because it was the universal language of the Church. The Church started and maintained most medieval universities, and was the scientific engine in the West from the fall of the Roman Empire until the Renaissance (after which other models started popping up). So educated people learned Latin, and the fact that they all spoke it made it work as a language for science as well.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quirkyowl

It's because it's so logical, there are no irregular verbs and you use prefixes and suffixes to change the meaning of a word so your vocabulary grows really quickly. It's also supposed to make it easier for you to learn other languages if you already know Esperanto. I love it! I'm sure somebody else can explain how it works better than I can.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nbsnyder

It is. For example, the verbs manĝi is the verb "to eat". In the present tense, it always changes to manĝas. So, Mi manĝas = I eat. Past is -is and the future is -os. There are also no irregular verbs.

Esperanto was intentionally designed to be the easiest language to learn so that everyone could communicate in one language. AKA "a universal second language".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KansasBurri

That's great! Apparently if you learn Esperanto it makes it way easier to learn just about any language you can think of. Though I won't be learning it because I have my hands full as is with French and German, it makes me happy to see many other people happy about this course.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MystyrNile

But that's nothing special about Esperanto; you simply get better at learning languages.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ludoviko2013

Esperanto gives a general understanding of language to some people. When the ending of all nouns is -o and of all adjectives is -a and so on, sentences and language as a whole become clearer. There have been school experiments where one year of Esperanto and two years of English gave better results than three years of English.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quirkyowl

Ludoviko2013 is right! See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaedeutic_value_of_Esperanto Esperanto wasn't the first "foreign" language I've learned, but even then I feel it has made the processes of learning languages a lot easier.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chelosbr

Mi esperas ke post la eldono de tiu kurso. Mi provos helpi la tradukon de tiu kurso al la portugala!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mariemusic

On the track of created languages, I went to the contributors page even though I know I can't actually contribute and saw Sindarin! Yay! Maybe it will get off the ground eventually, and if it catches on, then perhaps Quenya (which I prefer) will be added as well. It's funny when you select Sindarin for English speakers and it asks you your native language. Who could possibly speak Sindarin, or Dothraki, etc. as their native language?! haha


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tcql

Yea, just saw they added Dothraki and Klingon as contribution options as well. Also I'm trying to imagine people teaching their children dothraki or klingon and it's making me laugh.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hojinkie

All those options have been there for quite a while.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mariemusic

I know that now from you, I have just never been to that page before, so I didn't know. I didn't say that it was new, just that I had seen it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MeltingPsychic

A person called d'Armond Spears tried to raise his son bilingual in Klingon. Apparently he refused to speak it after a certain age but his accent was incredible.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mariemusic

That's so cool. I wonder how extensive/practical the Klingon word database is.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MeltingPsychic

From what I've read the answer to that is: not very. :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iron_bun

The guy from Fluent in Three months had a shot at Klingon. Good news is they already have a word for Matter Transporter. Bad news is they don't have a word for Car.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mariemusic

Ahh, shame. Although Quenya and Sindarin are quite extensive, especially if you know how to avoid what is missing.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Platypus01

Articles about Klingon say that the designer deliberately chose features of the language to make it hard to pronounce and hard to learn. After all, lines in Klingon were only supposed to be memorised by actors, they weren't supposed to learn it!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Xyde

IT'S HAPPENING.

I'm glad to be a witness of such a great day of history. No kidding, after that poll I thought it'll still take a few months before it'll be chosen...

(So that also means more hope for those interested for Lobjan also, hmm?)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MystyrNile

mi jbopre

i ui :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rhythmixed

Mi estas tre ekscitita! Gratulatojn!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmyt

This made my day! So excited, I can't wait for Esperanto!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/erdnaoluap

What kind of flag would be chosen for Esperanto? Do we have a country called so? :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quirkyowl

Esperanto already has its own flag. You can see it and read about how it came about here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_symbols


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FiveMagicsMaster

I just read the post, this are great news! We gotta celebrate!! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/punkjamel

i hope it'll be added soon! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ludoviko2013

On http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/eo/en/status you can now see the progress of the course. The "Estimated Completion Date" is wrong (probably due to a calculation algorithm not made for the beginning). December seems to be much more realistic, as said one of the contributors... Good luck to you and thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeftistPhilip

The date is now actualized. It says November 14th.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alareshu

Mi supozas, ke se oni jam aplikis, oni ne devas apliki denove? Ĉar Duolingo simple malfruas kun avizojn? En ĉiu okazo, mi feliĉiĝas, ke aĵoj rapidiĝas!

I guess if you've already applied, you don't have to apply again? Since Duolingo just takes time to notify you? -In any case, I'm glad to see that things are happening!

(Also, how fortunate it is that "duolingo" complies with Esperanto rules (ends in -o, follows pronunciation, etc)!)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mozartweb

I champ at the bit!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/neil_nachum

I'm ready to spread the word with my thousands of Facebook friends.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cityboy8

I haven't been able to start the Esperanto lessons, how do I begin?

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