"thaitním."

Translation:I do not shine.

4 years ago

98 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Bryan.EDU

Does this mean I literally don't shine or I don't shine in the sense of I don't stick out of the crowd?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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It’s only the literal meaning.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/becky3086
becky3086
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What IS the literal meaning. "I don't shine--the car?" " I mean I have no idea how this could be used. Why would you ever say "I don't shine" unless shine is a verb?

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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The literal meaning of Ní thaitním is “I do not shine” — i.e. “I do not emit light”. “Shine” in this sentence is a verb.

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaCa826187
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I may rise but I refuse to shine? Nah, probably not.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cdub4language
cdub4language
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Xena reference? That's what came to my mind...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hpfan5
hpfan5
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the shine in a crowd stuff is an English idiomatic usage for shine

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/p8c
p8c
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bryanedu- that is exactly my question.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oftkiltered
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I've heard in English (appalachian I think) one would "take a shine to" or "take a shining to" something as in "take a liking to"

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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The oldest recorded entry in the OED for “take a shine to” was from 1839; it originated in the US. A certain W. Churchill used it in one of his writings in 1908, so it’s been in use on both sides of the Atlantic for a while now.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andalula

Although I can't recall many off-hand, I've heard of other North Americanisms that are attributed to Irish immigrants using their words and having them morph into words we use today. I think "shenanigans" might be one. And the Appalachian Mountains are home to many Scotch-Irish....?

I also once heard...somewhere....and forgive me if it was here on Duo... That when Appalachians would say, "I was a'runnin and a'singing" it was because of the Irish ag siúl, pronounced a'shool (not IPA, sorry) for the present participle (English -ing).

I'd really like to think that Gaelige has left its mark on American English, considering our huge diaspora.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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There are a few possibilities for the origins of “shenanigan” — one of them is (pre-reform) Irish {@style=font-family: 'Bunchlo Arsa GC', 'BunchloArsaGC', serif; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt}sionnaċuiġim (“I play tricks”, more literally “I act the fox”). A post-reform spelling for it might be sionnachaím.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SeanMeaneyPL
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Another possibility is the Middle English perfect tense formation. As with modern German, both Middle English and Old English past participles were formed with an initial syllable usually written ge- in German (gekommen) but y- in English (ycomen, ycumen). The old poem "Summer is a-coming in" is originally "Somer is ycumen in" meaning "Summer has come in".

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CatMcCat
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My mother used to say "He's taken a shine to you", to mean "He likes you." (Montreal Canadian of Irish origin - her family had settled in Sheenboro in the Outaouais region of Quebec, but I don't know what part of Ireland they were from.) It's amazing how many words she used to use that turn out to be of Irish origin, like "gawm" or "gom" for a stupid person ("Don't be such a gom!" It took me ages to find that word anywhere, partly because I wasn't sure how to spell it) , or "puss" for face but not a compliment ("Look at the puss on you!"), or "queer" for "strange" (as in, "He's a queer one!") She also used to call "tea" "tae" sometimes (although I was't sure if it was the Irish "tae" or the French "thé", since she was raised in Montreal.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bartsci

I hear the expression used not infrequently (Belfast)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hpfan5
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it could be a idiomatic usage of a literal phrase - when you shine old silver it brightens it like new - similar to when you like something new you may become more alive and brightened with happiness

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Burkey0
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No more shines Billy

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kanhir
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Never seen this on its own; I've only ever seen "Ni thaitníonn ___ liom" or similar. Learn something new every day!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ataltane
ataltane
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You might have heard the typical school phrase tá an ghrian ag taitneamh, though?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/neeliecat
neeliecat
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the shining ...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/epingchris
epingchris
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So does "Ní" cause lenition of the following verb?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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It does with most verbs; the exceptions are faigh, where it causes eclipsis in the indicative past, future, and conditional, and abair, where no mutations happen to its forms that begin with the letter D.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/onlycookie
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Lenition and eclipsis will bring me into a long-term love-hate relationship between Irish and me :-/ At least I can now see it as a 'trigger' for lenition.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MagAonghusa
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I don't understand the English sentence. Is it a figurative statement?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oppikoppi
oppikoppi
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think of a certain vampire...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnaWorley1

Which certain vampier?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SolSD
SolSD
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Edward Cullen

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zzxj
zzxj
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Taitin sé liom = I like him

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vanja0
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Wouldn't that be ''Taitníonn sé liom''?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nithuigim

Taitníonn sé = he likes

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ataltane
ataltane
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Well, taitníonn sé = 'he shines'; You need the 'le' to switch the meaning to 'he pleases'

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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No; it’s a literal statement.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/truthfinder

It accepts "I don't like"

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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It shouldn’t accept that; it only means “like” when the preposition le accompanies it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryLea11
MaryLea11
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I have reported this in your behalf

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BaiShann
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Still isn't working.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FionaMcGla

"Shine" is a translation for this that I have never heard of! And it didn't accept "like" from me, but like is correct!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ataltane
ataltane
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It's not right. The same word, but a different construction:

Taithníonn sé = 'he shines' Taithníonn sé liom = 'He pleases me', 'I like him' (literally, 'he shines with me')

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryLea11
MaryLea11
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I am hoping that this verb will be used later on in the course in a more useful and colloquial way. Fingers crossed at any rate.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FionaOnDuoL
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Thank you for this.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JosephGlea

Anyone else a Firefly fan? Shiney

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ilmolleggi
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cullen alert

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Greyman125
Greyman125
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Can this be used with an object? For instance, "I don't shine shoes for a living." Or is it always in the sense of "I don't shine because I am not the sun"?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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No; taitin meaning “shine” is always intransitive. The “polish”, “make shiny by rubbing”, and “create light with” transitive meanings of English “shine” (e.g. shoes, brass, and lantern respectively) are not expressed with taitin ; each of these meanings is expressed differently in Irish.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Greyman125
Greyman125
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Go raibh maith agat.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soupandbread

'Snas' is the verb for polish. The word for polished or shiny is 'snasta' which, supposedly, is were we get the word snazzy from.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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The OED gives the US as the origin of “snazzy”, and its earliest written reference is from 1932. Dinneen provided the following definition for snasta :

varnished, glossed, coloured; neat, trimmed, lopped, elegant.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soupandbread

The story I heard is that 'snasta' made its way to the US via Irish speaking immigrants, probably around the mid 19th century. At some point over the next century it was adopted into US English, complete with snazzy new spelling. Unfortunately I've no evidence for this but it sounds plausable.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/segviolation
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So is "Ní thaitním" something like "nobody likes me"?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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No; it’s literally “I don’t shine”.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CoraOSulli

Can I just say that the Irish school systems teaches Taitneamh as enjoy?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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Taitneamh is a noun that can mean “enjoyment”; it’s not a verb that can mean “enjoy”.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Deo.
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Sounds like a pretty sad sentence...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MeghanMcGill

I feel like the pronunciation is a tiny bit off. It's ní thaitním, so it would be pronounced 'nee hat-neem' because there isn't a 'h' after the second 't'. I could be wrong, but as an Irish person it doesn't sound right to me.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesRichardson2

So, is 'th' always pronounced as an 'h'? And the recording certainly doesn't seem to pronounce the second 't'. The whole word seems to be being pronounced 'haneem'.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Knocksedan

When a consonant is lenited, the pronunciation changes. When "t" is lenited, it is pronounced "h".

In this case, the second "t" in taitním is typically pronounced as if it was "th" in Munster and Connacht Irish. You can hear some of the regional variations in the examples of taitneamh on teanglann.ie.

Most children will learn to say these words long before they learn to read or write them, and this is just an example where the typical spoken pronunciation doesn't quite match the written spelling.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesRichardson2

Ah, OK, I see, thanks. The Duolingo audio's good, but sometimes an explanation of how something's pronounced, and why it's pronounced that way, helps a lot. Otherwise, I wonder whether the audio is incorrect, or whether there's some subtle part of the pronunciation I'm not hearing. I've bookmarked teanglann.ie too, as it looks quite useful.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zzxj
zzxj
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Is there a difference between broad and slender th/sh?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Knocksedan

In general, a lenited t and s will be pronounced as "h", but if you assign the "glide" in a slender cluster to the consonant rather than the vowel, then obviously broad and slender are different.

For example, you can tell the difference between a shaol and a sheoladh.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hpfan5
hpfan5
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what about the English verb that means scrubbing/rubbing something like a car that produces a shine/glossy finish? - shining? Or is this only about liking someone, taking a shining to someone - a pleasant feeling towards someone?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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See my first reply to Greyman125 and my reply to truthfinder above for answers to your questions.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Conchubhar1987

I answered 'I don't enjoy', and it was given as correct, but i didn't realise there was a 'shine' meaning too!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Billbixly

Who does shine?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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A crazy diamond?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/becky3086
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I have looked through all these and still do not understand what it means to "shine" in these sentences. I don't understand how a person can "shine". To me the only way a person can "shine" is to make something else shine (as in shoes) but I did already see that that is wrong. I can see how the sun can shine but I don't understand how a person can..

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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Taitin simply means “shine” in the sense of “emit light”, so Ní thaitním means “I don’t shine” = “I don’t emit light”. Thus, Taitním would mean “I shine” = “I emit light”; if it would be easier to comprehend, think of some extraterrestrial person who‘s capable of emitting light saying it rather than a human saying it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tu.8zPhLD72zzoZN
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Have you heard the song "Let it shine!", but I don't know if that is what they could mean. "This little heart of mine, I'm going to let it shine..."

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jewgoslav
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Please, what is the infinitive form of this word? I've been looking for ages but cannot find it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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Irish doesn’t have infinitives. The second-person singular imperative conjugation (in this case, taitin) is typically used as a verb’s dictionary headword.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hpfan5
hpfan5
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this does lead to some confusion for new learners...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cdub4language
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https://www.duolingo.com/Jewgoslav
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Go raibh maith agat.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bartsci

'ní thaitnim nar thaiteann tú'

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NancyAnn11

I get the same kind of closeness when something reminds me of my grandfather talking.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeoTheWorst

I shine not.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mrpotatocake

I've never heard this mean 'to shine', I've only ever heard or seen it used to mean 'like'

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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It only means “like” when the preposition le accompanies it.

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Barytonal

I wonder what the actual point of this sentence is. Clearly it's useless on its own (unless you are having a conversation about shining) so is Duolingo trying to make some grammatical point? Such as it not meaning "I do not like it"?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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Judging from many of the comments in this discussion, that grammatical point has not yet been thoroughly learned.

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/audreylee123

Does this mean " I do not shine." As in " I do not stand out." Or as in " I am dirty." ?

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SatharnPHL

The verb taitnigh is not normally used this way, so this exercise is more theoretical than practical. The "shine" involved is what the sun does - taitníonn an ghrian.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chalazon

Perhaps it means I refuse to reflect the light....?

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chalazon

Great...a word with two t's and neither of them are pronounced

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SeanMeaneyPL
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Ní thaitním is clearly a sentence, not a phrase. Someone has taken the trouble to put a full stop after it: but it makes no sense. I can shine something - with a direct object. I can take a shine to something - with an indirect object. I can like someone - taitníonn sé liom - in Irish. The sun can shine - Taitníonn an ghrian. But, without an object, I CANNOT SHINE. There must be a point to the exercise, but I can't work it out.

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ballinamore

This is a ridiculous translation. It simply means 'I do not like'

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SatharnPHL

No, it doesn't mean "I don't like".

The verb taitin means "shine". When used with le, it can mean "(to) please".

Taitníonn X le Y means "X pleases Y" or "Y likes X". But the subject of the verb is X, the thing that is liked, not Y, the person doing the liking.

If you are asked An dtaitníonn brocailí leat?, Ní thaitním isn't a grammatically correct answer, because the implied in thaitním isn't the subject in the question. To reply "I don't like broccoli", you have to say Ní thaitníonn brocailí liom, or just Ní thaitníonn.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PatrickPro11

I did "I do not enjoy" and it accepted that also.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nutm3g1228

Nope, just Edward Cullen.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaCa826187
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They just Edward Cullen?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tu.8zPhLD72zzoZN
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Edward Cullen literally shines in the sunlight in the movie Twilight, but I think the other vampires from that movie probably would shine also if they went into the sunlight. So, unlike in other movies, the vampires don't burn up and die in the sunlight in Twilight, or are they safe because it is just "Twilight" and not full sun.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jd1500

No kidding :/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bob.Wobble

Who shines?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TalerBohannon

There goes my courage.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daragh823889

@

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3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gallifrey900

YOU MUST SHINE

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gpgallagher
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So this means nothing? Is that correct?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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No; it literally means “I don’t shine”.

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You have a lot of patience for those lacking imagination on here... :)

3 years ago
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