"They are the workers."
Translation:Is iad sin na hoibrithe.
If I understand what you mean by "iss ib rih hi_ad", you're correct.
In normal speech, a final unstressed vowel, like the 'e' of 'oibrithe' here, is normally elided when the following word begins with a vowel.
'Is iad na hoibrith' iad', 'Madr' an dalt' óig' ('Madra an dalta óig') etc.
Is iad na hoibrithe iad should be correct, but in Ulster Irish, it's just Is iad na hoibrithe.
On the other hand, if I wanted to say "they're the workers, but I'm the boss!", I'd say Sin iad na hoibrithe, ach is mise an bas! or is iad sin na hoibrithe, ach ... or is iadsan na hoibrithe, ach ....
Here. How about this.
So, I'm going to describe this in the way my class was taught. It'll be watered down, because y'know, we were first semester Irish students without much grammar knowledge. So, your word order is going to be VANTP.
V = verb
A = Indefinite nouns
N = Names
T = Definite nouns
P = Pronouns
So that's your general order. If you use a definite noun, a proper noun, or a name, you need to include the pronoun (é, í, iad, srl - note, after ní, these prefix an "h") before the first one.
So in your first sentence you have and indefinite noun (araicnid) and a definite noun (an damhán alla). So, putting these in order (A before T), you get Is araicnid an damhán alla. However, you need the pronoun before the definite noun. Since damhán alla is feminine, you use í. This giving you Is araicnid í an damhán alla.
Your second one you have a name (Pól) and a definite noun (uachtarán na hÉireann). So, putting those together, you get Is Pól uachtarán na hÉireann. Yet, you still need that pronoun. Is é Pól uachtarán na hÉireann.
Hope that helps explain it a little. And note, this is really basic, and barely scratches the surface of the copula.
this is much appreciated but in your examples and explanation, the pronoun is not at the end - which does not correspond to VANTP order. what am I missing? In irish wiki it says this - "Note that there must always be a pronoun between a definite noun and the copula. " I would assume then the same applies to names (with copula)
You don't have to have all the pieces of VANTP. The pronoun appears only at the end if you have a pronoun in the sentence. In "Pol is the president", you don't have a pronoun, so it only appears before the definite phrase. In this sentence (the one the discussion thread is about), they give an alternate way. See smrch's for the simpler way to do it.
And, yes, it applies to names, as in Is é Pol uachtarán na hÉireann.
My daughter has a taekwondo teacher who often asks his students questions the answers to which he has not previously taught them. The impression that gives is that he is asking them to read his mind. That is the impression I get on Duolingo Irish. I do not get that impression with Danish, Portuguese, or Dutch. It may be the idiomatic difficulties of the language, but it may also just be that the method for the other languages just needs to be altered, moved around, for Irish.
Oh, My God! I am getting crazy with this sentence: Is iad sin na hoibrithe, "They are workers". I am starting to understand the need of the second pronoun due to the definite noun. But where is the subject then? Why do we need sin? And why does oibrithe get an h prefix? I can't find anything about it in my notes. EDIT the following day: I have found the h-prefix issue in the Dates and Time skill: "If a plural noun starts with a vowel, a h is added at the start of the word after the definite article na (for example, ainmneacha: names, na hainmneacha: the names). No hyphen is used." EDIT: Reading the useful comments in Duolingo for the last mont, I think that the lack of subject could be a dialectal thing, but I am not sure. Every time I read this sentence my traslation would be: The workers are those. And the traslation of "They are the workers" would be: Is iad na hoibrithe iad.
I see at least two answers to that question in the earlier responses.
It serves to put the emphasis on "they". Smrch's answer above described it in this way:
"Is iad sin na hoibrithe" = "They (predicate) are the workers (subject)".
Gramadach na Gaelige doesn't describe this use of sin for emphasis - you can read the GnaG explanation for emphasis in copular statements here.
Does "iad sin" behave like an indefinite noun? That sounds weird, since it means "those", which is a demonstrative pronoun (maybe it's not the same in Irish?), and that clearly has to be definite (at least in my mind), yet if it behaves like an indefinite noun, the syntax of the sentence matches what I've been able to read about the copula...