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extra noun?

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About the same problem: "a mis padres LES gustan la cerveza" Why, oh why the "les"??

6 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/cunolingo

"a mis padres" is optional, you use it if the context is not clear enough that "LES" refers to "mis padres". Gustar is a pronominal (reflexive) verb so it requires a pronoun like "LES". it is a common grammatical construct in romance language, almost absent in English. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_verb

6 years ago

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Both of you: thank you very much for the explanations. I am still left with the question: When I say: "a mis padres gusta la cerveza" shouldn't that be enough?

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cunolingo

Mais vous ne devriez pas être tant surpris(e) par cette construction, étant donné votre niveau en français et italien, langues qui présentent les même particularités. "gustar" se traduit par "plaire" en français, et la phrase de votre exemple devient: "la bière plait a mes parents", "la bière leur plait". Il est vrai que "gustar" est moins flexible que "plaire" en ce sens qu'il faut obligatoirement mettre le pronom, de sorte qu'il faille écrire: "a mes parents, la bière leur plait."

6 years ago

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Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse. J'avai pensé á la possibilité, que cette construction ait des parallèles en italien. Je comprends "les gusta la cerveza", mais je me demandai la raison pour laisser le mot "les" après ajouter "a mis padres". Comme vous voyez, mon français est encore primitif. je m'exprime mieux en anglais ou italien.

6 years ago

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"Gustar" literally means "to please," and is used in the format [object] pleases [subject] to mean "to like" (formatted: [subject] likes [object]) in English. The "les" means "to them," the literal translation is "the beer pleases them (my parents)."

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ericavan

A mis padres les gusta LA CERVEZA. Duolingo is wrong.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cunolingo

the pronoun (like LES) is mandatory with gustar, this is just a grammatical fact that we need to accept. the meaning of the pronoun is deduced from the context. Usually the previous sentences would make it clear. But sometimes you need to clarify the pronoun in the same sentence as here, and you're write it is redundant to have both "a mi padres" and "les", but "les" can't be ommited because of the grammar, and "a mi padres" is needed for the meaning.

6 years ago

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@cunolingo: Right, thanks, that is a clear answer. It also makes clear, that the construction in French and Italian is different. There you can say: (the) beer pleases my parents. "La birra piace ai miei genitori". without anything like the Spanish "les"

6 years ago
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