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"The teacher fights with the parent."

Translation:Troideann an múinteoir leis an tuismitheoir.

September 21, 2014



Why is it that it is leis instead of le with a noun like this?


Because le is being followed by the article an. Irish really doesn't like two vowels coming together, so you get leis an.


Ok, but why isn't it "lena" instead of "leis an"?


lena is used with a not an


Thank you, always helpful :)


That's why parent-teacher meetings are always behind closed doors.


Lenition appears to be optional for tuismitheoir here: why?


In standard Irish, as well as in western and southern dialects, preposition + singular article is the environment for eclipsis, not lenition . So, according to the rule, it should be 'leis an dtuismitheoir'.

But this does not happen here, because d and t are not eclipsed in this case. If I am not mistaken, only Munster dialect is occasionally an exception to this.


Thanks for the explanation so far. What exactly triggers the exception? The usage of 'leis'?


I want to know this, too, because I wrote 'thuismitheoir'. Still got it right, though. Just confused as to "Why?" now.


Because in Ulster Irish you lenite after 'preposition + singular definite article'. So it'd get lenited, but 'd' and 't' wouldn't get eclipsed in the same situation in the standard.


In Ulster you lenite after 'leis an' but 'dntls' still apply so 'leis an thuismitheoir' should be incorrect.


Can i get a story for this sentence?


...bheith idir bás agus beatha.


Why doesn't tuismitheoir eclipse following leis?


Shouldn't tuismitheoir undergo eclipses because of "leis an"?


Only in Munster Irish. In the Caighdeán and in Connacht Irish, d and t are not eclipsed after preposition + an.


Did not accept "leis an dtuismitheoir" which is correct in Munster Irish yet it seems to accept "leis an thuismitheoir" which is correct in Ulster?

I've reported it but it seems the course should just teach the caighdeán or else include every dialect.


I can't report "i should have gotten this wrong!" I put "na thuismitheoirí" because i misread the sentence.... Was i correct in some way i'm not aware of?


For some issues getting it totally wrong is still accepted as right as the difference is small enough: "na" could be a typo of "an" and adding an "í" at the end of "thuismitheoirí" is again just one letter off, which makes this acceptable as well.

So, no, you were not correct, DL just closed both eyes ;-)

No doubt we all compensate that with omitting a "the" every now and then, where the translation is basically correct, but not from a linguistic point of view 100 % on target.


Does the use of "leis" in this sentence imply that the parent is male? Would "Troideann an múinteoir léi an tuismitheoir" be considered correct if the parent in question happened to be female?

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    When le comes before a definite article (either an or na), it becomes leis. This leis is NOT the prepositional pronoun leis.

    Troideann sé le Pól - "he fights with Paul"
    Troideann sé liom - "he fights with me"
    Troideann sé leat - "he fights with you"
    Troideann sé leis - "he fights with him"
    Troideann sé léi - "he fights with her"
    Troideann sé leis an tuismitheoir - "he fights with the parent"
    Troideann sé leis na tuismitheoirí - "he fights with the parents"
    Troideann sé lena thuismitheoir - "he fights with his parent"
    Troideann sé lena tuismitheoir - "he fights with her parent"


    no. Leis in this case means with IT M/F.


    If "Muinteoir" is a feminine noun and it comes before the definite article "An" shouldnt it get a séimhiú?


    If múinteoir doesn't get a séimhiú after the definite article an (in the nominative case), it must not be a feminine noun.

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