Estar vs. Ser. when talking LOCATION
Los gatos estan alli. "The cats are there," uses ESTAR and Ella es de alli..."She is from there," uses SER. What is the difference? They both seem to be describing location. Need help. Gracias.
You use "ser" for origin. I assume "de allí/from there" could be origin.
When you are talking about location use always estar, unless you are talking about origin. I'm a native spanish speaker
Isn't "ser" used for things that are permanent? They don't change.
So, "Ella es de alli" never changes. She can only be from one place. But, the cat being over there. Well, as soon as the cat decides to go check out the food dish, then, ... "el gato esta aqui" next to the food dish.
So, "estar" is used for things that change (are variable).
(I'm still learning this myself, so please correct me if need be.)
It is a bit confusing though you use "estar" for death too. Maybe that stems from religious belief and its viewed as a temporary condition. Every time you think you have established a rule on their use you will find subtle exceptions. Personally I just accept one or the other maybe right in any given situation and do not sweat it if I get it wrong. When I think about it there is yet a third verb "tener" that is also used in stating age, emotions, if you're hot or cold, etc. There is no rest for the wicked.
Well then that would beg the question: Why is it that I say "la montaña está allí"? The mountain is quite permanent (I assume).
Not trying to be condescending, I'm actually asking. =P
The whole "ser" is more permanent and "estar" is more temporary is just an oversimplification that is often wrong. You pretty much have to learn a list of reasons to use each.
Use estar with location always, even if it a permanent location like a mountain or office building. Use estar with conditions, feelings and adjectives which are felt through the senses. These tend to be temporary. Use ser with things which are inherent and don't change. Just using the wrong verb can change the hold meaning. I am a learner like you and I really don't know all the uses. I have faith that it will come with practice. You are at a higher level than me, so don't be offended by my advice.
The best advice I've received is, "ser is for permanent, estar is fer temporary, usually, and when it isn't yer listener will still understand." Guess it depends on why you want to learn the language.