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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/guenterpolo

Bring back XP levels!

Although the coach is another good idea, this time brought from the app to the site, I wish I could find how far I am from leveling up. That was a really motivating feature before, and it's also just fun to know!

Bring them back, Duolingo?

October 7, 2014

173 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZheGreatest

Totally agree, I was this close to leveling up in french, now I haven't the slightest idea on how far I am, I did A LOT of lessons to see if I could go far, so far nothing, other than 30+ lingots, which really bums me out!! :(

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marvincorea

Please do bring back the individual XP levels. The coach is definitely useful, but I like seeing what my XP is for each language, whether I've done a particular language, how much I have left to level up and the estimated number of words that I supposedly know.

Keep up the great work!

Wish I could help you directly... (I'm a developer. :)

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mreaderclt

Different strokes for different folks.

If some people like the "coach" feature, let them use it.

I relate far better to the idea of levels, and would like to see progress bar return.

To me, the daily "coach" just seems like a nuisance.

I've been ignoring the "coach" on the app. I'll ignore it here as long as I can.

The goal may make sense on the day I set it, but there will be days it will just feel stupid.

Some lessons in any given tree are going to be far more difficult than others. There are going to be days where mastering one is challenge enough, without worrying about whether or not I've hit some arbitrary goal.

Also, like most people, I have more time some days than others to work on Duolingo.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/th23x
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I support getting the XP level bar back - at least in addition to the daily coach!

In case you don't want to wait until Duolingo provides the feature back...let me provide you with a workaround. You need to use Firefox and have installed GreaseMonkey ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/ ) allowing some custom JavaScript being executed on a selected page.

Having this program, add a new Custom Script with the following content:

Sorry, can't update the required script here - see my reply below for the code to include!

Enjoy your newly "won" XP bar :-)

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/th23x
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Sorry, editing code posted here doesn't seem to work properly - I improved the script further to reliably bring up the bar after switching actions and completing lessons as well...please download via the link below, if you're interested:

http://th23.net/wp-content/uploads//temp/th23_Duolingo.user.js.zip

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/5string

Fantastic! Works very nicely. Thank you. Managed to even get it working in my iPad browser as well (iCab). So doubly happy!

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dondanz

th23x thank you so much...to us non-computer people...it's like you have magical powers. Thanks for casting your spell on my computer. Works flawlessly on Chrome. Progress bar, XP and word count are back!!!

How weird that they were taken away, what would be the purpose when they are so useful/informative.

Thanks again!

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidalso

Neat. It worked!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sbreese

I followed your instructions and now the Progress Bar, XP count and Word count are BACK for me!!! Thank you th34x for this awesome script.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pablovimo

IS IT TRUE? I cannot see them yet...

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sbreese

Pablo, you need to paste th23x's jQuery script into the "Greasemonkey" Add-on to the Firefox browser. Then refresh the Duolingo language tree page to restore the progress bar in its usual place.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pablovimo

Thanks to Dondanz, I could solve it all: if you use Google Chrome, download and install the free extension Tampermonkey, download the zip file th23_Duolingo.user.js.zip (posted by th23), don't bother unzipping it, go to Tampermonkey, Dashboard, Utilities and then import the zip file you have downloaded; after all that, just enable it, close the browser, open it again, log in Duolingo again and (God be with you as He was with me) there you are!

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sbreese

Good news for you Pablo: Chrome has an equivalent extension called "Tampermonkey" where the script works just the same! Be sure to add "https://www.duolingo.com/" to the "User Includes" list for the new userscript.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pablovimo

Thanks for your friendship... But I'm sad to read what you wrote: I've never used Firefox in my life... I use Google Chrome instead... And I had the bar until yesterday...

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/srad2

Brilliant! Works like a dream. Thanks th23x.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/folm235

Works like a charm in Chrome! Thanks!

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamieoo77

Thanks very much!! Not having a progress bar was annoying. Also Pablo thanks for your clear instructions on how to get it on google chrome.

October 18, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pablovimo

You're welcome! Hugs! Pablo

October 18, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VictoriaNovikova

Thank yoy very much for the script!!!

October 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JHMcC

At first I couldn't figure out how to get this to work. I installed the GreaseMonkey extension in Firefox (latest version) and checked to see that JavaScript is enabled (which it was). I then went to the extensions on Firefox, and selected the "Options" button on the extension. When I did this I was presented with a dialog box with only two fields, "Global Excludes" and "New Script Templates" neither which seem appropriate. I tried pasting the script into "New Script Templates" because I couldn't figure out where else to put the script. I refreshed the page. Turns out that wasn't the place to paste the script. Then I noticed the GreaseMonkey icon (monkey face) in my browser alongside the other installed extension icons. There is a drop down arrow beside the icon. If I recall correctly, I selected "New User Script" and was presented with another dialog box. There were four fields, Name, NameSpace, Description, Include (One per line), and Excludes (One per line). I pasted the script into the "Includes" field and put "Duolingo" in the "Name" field. I then clicked OK and then if I recall correctly I was presented with another dialog box which prompted me to save the script, which I did. I am not certain that I have described all the steps correctly.. After I refreshed the page it works! Thank you! I now have the fairly useless Coach, plus the very useful Progress Bar and Word Count.

I don't know if I correctly described the installation steps. I don't want to uninstall the script for the sake of better documenting the installation process because I'm concerned I might mess it up, but if anyone else has had trouble trying to figure out how and where to install the script, hopefully these comments will be helpful. Nicely done, th23x. Thanks and a lingot to you.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JHMcC

Oops, now the GreaseMonkey script doesn't work. So obviously what I did was temporary. I'm not sure I set it up correctly. I'll try again tomorrow. Perhaps th23x can comment on the install procedure.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JHMcC

OK, the Progress Bar is back again. I discovered that if I close the browser and then enter the Duolingo.com URL, the Progress Bar doesn't show up, but if I then go to the ghosted out GreaseMonkey icon (where the browser extension icons are displayed), if I then click on the ghosted out icon, it becomes fully colored. This appears to activate the script. Then when I refresh the page the Progress Bar shows. Obviously there are some technical nuances that need to be mastered if you are not familiar with how GreaseMonkey works. I need to go back and look at the documentation that describes how this extension works. Hopefully this has solved the problem. Of course it would be better if Duolingo just added this back and saved everyone the hassle of a work-around.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AliHum

Brilliant! It works Vielen Dank

October 30, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexeyAZ.

Thank you very much ! Повбивав бы тех выродков, шо зробили новых дизайн

June 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/underwood.jones

Does anyone know of a workaround with or without Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey that works on the new web platform? The progress bar is lost and so are levels (except in forums next to our names, which they will probably get rid of at some point too...sigh). I really enjoyed having an XP bar through this workaround while it lasted, thanks to you guys who made it possible to enjoy Duo despite their unfortunate feature swapping.

June 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Justinnnnnnnnn

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Should definitely be the default behavior (or an option at the very least).

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lechuza-chouette

Thanks! Starting today (Oct. 17) it was no longer possible for me to check my XP points for my two languages on my profile page. I just successfully installed your script on Chrome (following sbreese's advice below) today.

Boo! "This extension is not listed in the Chrome Web Store and may have been added without your knowledge." ...it's back to Firefox for me.

October 18, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SoverCub

I agree. The coach is a great idea but being able to know at which level I am and what progress I'm making in SEPARATE languages is a key motivator, imho.

There's probably a good way to combine the coach with the earlier features for extra awesomeness. here's hoping.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bibliobibulous

Thank you. What with the points a day/coach setting and the daily graph, we have two monitors of our daily activity, but from a level standpoint, we're completely left in the dark, and I really do not like that. I get that they're trying to integrate the app and the site, but can we not keep changing perfectly good, functional, beloved features for no reason? After the ill-received Immersion change a few months back, DL changed back and listened to users. I do hope they'll do that again this time.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VStarTraveler

Considering that the Coach feature is intended to "help keep yourself motivated", I feel lost and completely unmotivated with the new changes. I've never needed the Coach feature because I'm usually good at self-motivating with the features that were available in combination with the time that I have available. Now, I have no clue how many XPs I have in Italian, or how many I need to reach the next level. Also, by combining the XPs on the graph, now I have no way of being able to check to see if I've practiced both of my primary languages that day. And yes, I'm old enough and busy enough that I can't always remember that without the reminder!

Please, Duolingo, please restore these lost features.

Thanks,

VST

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mjaumjaupurr

I agree. The new changes are frustrating. I at least expected to see the total XP point bar at the end of a completed lesson. It doesn't show up, obviously. Now I have no idea how far I am from the next level. The coach takes up extra space without giving any new info, because daily totals will be in the graph anyway, and without being able to customize the daily XP goal, the coach isn't very useful. :(

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maisie07

I wholeheartedly agree. While I can see that the daily coach could be a good idea for some people, but it should be in addition to, not instead of the XP level. Maybe it could be made a choice thing in your settings. I found the XP level progress bar, and number of words learnt much more useful and motivating. PLEASE bring it back !

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeIouch

They must be A/B testing it, because mine remains the same as usual.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CorryEngelbrecht

Yeah, mine hasn't changed, either.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/psionpete

Mine also. There seems to be a lot of complaints about it so maybe DL will take the hint that we want to know how far to the next level is.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeIouch

For once I'm glad that I'm not in the test group haha =D

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rev1911

I agree. Leveling up is much more motivating than the coach. I like to know how far I am from the next level.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SD-77

Why is the DL team not responding to this post? :/

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/no.name.42

Right on!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KalinaZ

The couch is a good idea, but the levels are essential, could we have both please?

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AureliaUK

Actually I think the couch is a better idea than the coach.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Queen_Ziga

why not both?

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KallieMoe

exactly! That way people who like one way or the other will be satisfied.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Squarner

I agree.

November 2, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Spaceowl42

Same here! I am using the couch and I really want to know how much xp I need to level up! I also wish they made the couch separate for each language. When I go to Dutch, it says I earned as much as I did in Spanish... And what if someone wants to earn 20 xp in Spanish and 10 xp in Dutch? (I am using Spanish and Dutch as an example because that is what I am learning)

Because I have not finished Spanish, I am focusing on Spanish and doing some Dutch every once in a while but now the coach has basically combined both of them so It gets a bit confusing! :-/

I like the couch but It needs a little tuning up.  Also It needs a way to opt out of the coach because once you set a goal you can't unset it. I think there should be a "None" button on the set goal page.

I also wish they bring back the word count and the overall xp count for each language.

Happy learning! -Spaceowl42

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlmostExMonoglot

Until they do bring back the 'XP until next level' feature (if they do). You can manually check your XP against this table over at the unofficial wiki.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bibeaults

They do not even tell you what your total XP is though. You are completely in the dark about it. It is so very annoying. Unless I am just missing it, but I don't think so. I've looked everywhere.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lazar.ljubenovic

You can check the leaderboard, I guess. I'm not in the same A/B testing group, the stuff is still the same for me.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bibeaults

I don't see a leaderboard. Maybe because I don't have any friends?

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lazar.ljubenovic

Could be. Try following a random person.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jcyr1

You can see how much XP you have in your profile.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ori_ka

Duo as a coach is super cute but bring the level bar back, please. It was motivational! Setting goals is sort of boring - even before you start doing anything you already decide what you want to end up with. Probably many people like to set little targets here and there and then be happy to achieve them - but for me the new feature is useless and I lost the one which I liked. Well, one cool feature less, not much considering how great the whole Duolingo site is...

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Transitioning

I've posted a tutorial to revert back to the old experience bar! Upvote this and all that good jazz so that others can get their beloved bar back: http://youtu.be/I5IjX_ipcQw

October 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Spaceowl42

It works! thanks for the tip! Happy learning! -Spaceowl42

October 26, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luko.

Yes! I do 2 or 3 lessons a day, but when I see I'm near the next level I do 10 or more lessons that day!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SuperDescartes

Just adding another voice to what all others have said before, BRING BACK THE XP BAR, FAR MORE MOTIVATIONAL AND USEFULL THAN THE COACH! Seeing how close you are to the next level is far more motivational than reaching some arbitary daily goal that isnt even that high in the first place

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pablovimo

“Daily goal settings” can be helpful, but the level, the number of points of each level and the number of points already done on each level are really very helpful too, as long as they allow us to distribute the number of times we repeat each lesson and each skill, considering that we have to obtain 30,000 points to get to the 25th level of each language. For example: knowing that, we know that we have some 400 points available for each one of the more or less 75 skills.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaljc

If you strengthen a skill successfully, you can see the image with your XP points and progress to the next level, but I would prefer to see it on the home page as previously.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hadert

It had been working for me until I set my daily goal. Since then, it shows my points against the daily goal instead of the progress bar. Setting the daily goal to 1XP doesn't help. One may wonder why I opted to set the daily goal. Well, it was a naive hope that this "suggestion" to set it up would disappear and show my XP bar again if I set it. Instead, I just lost the option to see it after completing a practice. Not a nice surprise, really...

October 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaljc

I feared that might happen, so I have not set mine. Hope all this discussion prompts a change of heart; keep the coach for those who like it, but bring back the XP and chart as well!!

October 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territech

Thanks for telling me that, lindaljc. If I can remember to make a screen print when I see it, then I can save it until the next time I create a lesson. I wonder what DL's rationale was for this change? Maybe it was an accident. I am still seeing the bar chart for XP's and the line chart, for each language, but I'll make a note to capture it - in case mine eventually goes away, too.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrannyDrae

I guess this is what happened to me. I was searching all over trying to find how many words duolingo thinks I have learned and did not even notice I also lost the progress on levels. I would MUCH rather have those than the ability to set a goal. But if I am going to set a goal I resent being called crazy for wanted to do 50. And what is an xp anyway? I wish there was a searchable help document instead of endless FAQs which although labors of love just end up in endless time spent and still not answer. Ok, rant over. PLEASE ditch the coach if that is what it takes to see the things we lost. Overall I am doing very well with Duoling and very grateful for it.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IriskMike

bring the bar back 'Home'!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Owlish_Owl

Mine DL hasn't change yet. But reading this topic I'm starting to figure out what everybody is talking about...

Please, do the other way around - bring functionality of "Home" page to the app! I don't care about the coach but the diagram and the level metrics and the learned words metrics are great! Why worsen come thing good (this site) instead of improving something not so so good (the app)?

And while I'm at it - PLEASE, do bring "report" and "discuss" functionality to the app!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KallieMoe

You are going downhill, Duolingo! The coach doesn't motivate me AT ALL. I liked seeing progress to new levels much, MUCH better. The coach makes it less fun for the younger people that are learning. Seeing my progress was one of the things I liked most about Duolingo. They should at least let you turn it off!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PantsTresBien

I like the change. It emphasizes practicing every day over reaching some level.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteveBosman

I don't agree with you - the streak is enough to keep me coming back each day. But I find it sad that someone downvoted your comment just for expressing a preference.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrannyDrae

I upvoted you because even though I disagree with the change, I also disagree with downvoting a different opinion. Say: la vie! Now someone thinks I am a vote for losing the level meter and the words counter. I am NOT! :-]

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IceAly

I also miss the xp bar, but I see the benefits of the coach.

Before, I could do a timed practice, and answering one correct question would continue my streak. This could be done in 5 seconds. The coach allows me to set a minimum amount of work to continue my streak, so I now have to do enough daily practice to actually help. For that reason, I think the coach could be useful to me, especially if they add a feature so that once you choose your coach's setting, you won't be able to change it for a certain number of days, so you are stuck with your choice.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KatarzynaMak

I totally agree! It would be nice to set it once a week for example. But I miss the XP bar as well... I've just started Portuguese and those levels really motivate me at the beginning.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/_kristianne

Amen to this! Thought the motivational coach is a good idea, it seems more like something that you should have on the side, and the main motivation should be seeing how far you are from leveling up! Sometimes, just taking a look at how far I am from leveling up or how much more I need to level up is the only motivation I need.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vermist

Moving to the next level is my motivator - although I do like the little owl in the tracksuit, haha.

But I neeeeeed my progress bar. Give it baaaaaaack D:

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vermist

Oh good grief, is there nowhere I can see how many total XP I have? Aaaaarrgghh!!

And apparently the owl is in a sweatshirt, not a tracksuit. I don't need a pantsless owl; I need my progress bar, haha!

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/r1chard

Go to "Your Profile". It's on the top right. It shows what level you are and total XP

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rafforza

The Coach is OK, but the XP leveling up was golden. I want it back too!

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marcownz747

I just wanted to let people know that you can still see an XP bar after every time you complete a lesson.

THAT SAID, I completely agree with the OP here. Bring back XP bars, bring back specific language charts, bring back word counts. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rickharned

I also want to see my progress bar toward the next level in each language. I don't really mind the coach, but I want the personal goal to be separate for each language, and I think the available goal choices are too limited. Why can we not set whatever goal we like?

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/emusic

I am so angry that this coach took away the word counts and XP progress bar!!! And that we apparently can't get it back?? And that we weren't told that would happen! I'm much more motivated on days when I see I have <100 points to the next level, and it makes me really push myself for an hour. I'm really disappointed and I hope they'll see all this and respond/revert it.

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pablovimo

If you use Google Chrome, this is for you. Thanks to Dondanz, I could solve it all: from the Google Chrome browser, download and install the free extension Tampermonkey, download the zip file th23_Duolingo.user.js.zip (posted by th23; if you don't find it, give your e-mail and I'll send it to you as an attachment), don't bother unzipping it, go to Tampermonkey, Dashboard, Utilities and then import the zip file; after all that, just enable it, close both Duolingo and the browser, open Google again, log in Duolingo once more and (God be with you as He was with me) there you are! Greetings from Buenos Aires! Pablo

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VictoriaNovikova

Well, I quite agree: the word count and the progress bar were both very useful and really want them back!

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CCatney

Duolingo, please bring back the XP progress bar and word count. The coach feature is annoying and does not help me monitor or motivate my learning.

October 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RishabChatty

How exactly do you get 1 xp?

January 4, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidalso

If you go into any of the modules there is an option to refresh or practice that module. You then choose whether you do it timed or not. Do it timed, complete one item correctly, then let the clock run out and you will get 1 xp.

But then again, it hardly takes much more time to go for a few more while you're there!

January 4, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RishabChatty

Thanks, but I meant how is it possible to have 537 xp instead of 530

January 4, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lucy_Her

you can also translate things for points if I remember correctly

January 6, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Georgia_Lloyd

Absolutely, leveling up is the most motivating of the various features.

March 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheBryce

I really hope they do. If at the end of the day, I found out that I had 50XP left until level 8, I would stay on longer. So, why did they take it away?

Bring it back Duolingo!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VStarTraveler

This very scenario is a great motivator for some of us!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CorryEngelbrecht

Exactly! That was often the case for me, too!

November 30, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JHMcC

I don't find the Coach useful at all. It feels more like a gimmick, and not a motivational element for me. Far more useful was the total points horizontal bar graph which indicated my progress in progressing to the next level. Some days I have more time than other days to practice, so setting a goal on the Coach is not relevant to my needs.

Also missing is the number of words learned. What happened to that? Though I keep my own list of words in an alphabetized Word document, the DL word list was another measure of progress. Now the only way of keeping track of XPs is through the Leaderboard, but that still doesn't give any indication about progress to the next level.

One additional thought, is Duolingo using the Coach function for their own metrics and analysis as a way of measuring the motivational levels of its users? In other words, is it a feature used for their own metrics? For example, when such data are gathered, the data could be then sorted and parsed to correlate "set goal level" versus "word strengthening activity" or some other measure. This is probably not the best example, but I am hoping you get my drift on this. If DL is using this as a data monitoring tool for whatever purpose perhaps they are using it to improve their site. Not being in their mindset, I'm not sure exactly how they would use these data. I'm not saying that DL is doing this, or that it is a bad thing, but if they are, then it does not serve DL users well by substituting this "feature" for another. DL could retain the Coach function, but also continue displaying other features such as the progress bar. Perhaps if they are doing A/B testing, they can still collect the user goal data. I love the Duolingo site, but as a former owner of four businesses, one thing I have learned is that it is important to listen to your customers/clientele, and to not surprise them without gathering their input first.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AureliaUK

Agreed wholeheartedly. The progress bar and number of words learned are actually useful metrics for me.

The only bit of the new feature which I think is an improvement is the timer which tells you how long you have until your streak expires.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/integra1

I'm with you. To the point that I stopped "doing" my Duolingo since. And created a new account that is not part of the A/B test. Now I can do it at my pace with the info XP by language, words leraned and remaining points on the front page and not in the Words/Profile pages. Well it's a good review of basic lessons at least. ;-)

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/buunny

Yes. I actually love the little count down until streak ends.

October 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territech

I found in one of these discussions an accounting of the number of modules and words for each language. So I now measure the number of words I have learned, as shown on Duolingo page, against the number of words in the course. In this way I can see my own progression toward the end of the course.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Konrad-Michal

I wish I didn't turn on the Coach.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KalinaZ

Yes, irreversible options are not options at all!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Konrad-Michal

They told us that the number of declared points can be changed at any time, but they forgot to mention that one of these options has to be chosen.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CorryEngelbrecht

It forced me to turn on the coach when I downloaded the app to my Windows phone. :( I dislike it greatly. And yes, I do have it set to 1xp, but it's annoying and pointless and does NOTHING to motivate me.

November 30, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lucy_Her

but irritates and discourages you i bet ^^

January 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maisie07

I had a reply to a comment I posted about testing new features, which might shed some light on this. These new features are usually tested with the aim of improving retention of new starters to Duolingo. Duolinguo have shown that if the feature improves the day one retention rates, the one week, one month and one year retention rates follow.
Unfortunately, they are less interested in retaining members which have been loyal so far. However, I hope they do listen to all this feedback, and re-instate the XP progress soon.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kplife

I agree. I have to keep reminding myself of this.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrHazard

I totally agree. If the Coach function serves some Duolingo purpose, that's fine, but don't take away our bar and other measures of progress.

It seems from posts below this may be some A/B testing thing and some of us are unwitting subjects. I really hope the Duolingo folks are listening on this one! For every person registering their concern, I'd warrant there are at least 10 silently cursing the change.

BTW, some past Duolingo changes have been great. I think the latest objections to the removal of the bar are not users grumbling because they don't like change, but rather users objecting to the loss of very useful tools.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CynthiaGJ

I find the XP bar an extremely motivating tool to keep learning during the day - why did it have to go away to add the new feature? I'm not against the COACH per se, just against the coach REPLACING my XP points until next level bar.

October 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EddYerb

Me too. The coach means nothing to me.

November 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MridulMahesh

To me, the coach is just a new outfit for duo, which we didn't have to purchase from the lingot store

January 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MridulMahesh

Rightly said mate!

January 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cheryl1

Excellent reply! Fortunately, I don't have the Coach function and can only opine that it is targeted towards newer users not seasoned language learners who don't need an owl Coach to motivate them to learn. Some do find it useful so having it as an option that can be turned on and off seems reasonable.

DL is a start-up business trying to position themselves as a profitable investment. Businesses who do not listen to their customers soon find themselves non-profitable businesses. I've commented before about this nonsensical A/B testing strategy where surprises abound. No announcements, no communications whatsoever from DL on planned changes. Users are often left in the dark and well, this time, users are not very happy users. I've worked in the IT industry for years and I would have been fired if I sprung changes on end-users without any communication whatsoever. There are much more effective testing strategies that can and should be used when rolling out app changes.

It's been my sense that many people view DL as a benevolent, charitable organization (Really, who can resist the adorable Owl!) providing a free language learning opportunity. That's laudable but the bottom line.... they're in business to make a profit for their investors. You speculated on what's behind these changes, but in the long run, they are intended to increase their bottom line. They need to train enough non-English speakers in English to produce translated documents that they can sell them . Please understand, that I don't feel that this is a bad thing it's just how businesses must operate if they hope to survive.

I greatly appreciate the free opportunities that DL has provided to me to learn languages and am happy to support their crowd sourcing business model. I hope that they are very successful but, as a long time user, I'm seeing less and less communication from DL and a lot more surprises that they think users will just love! It will be interesting to see if someone from DL directly addresses these user concerns or if they simply reply by changing the UI once again so we can all say ''what were they thinking?''

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rrlear

Good thoughts! I do think though that DuoLingo is taking a "One size fits all" approach to these features. Some people are probably motivated to return by the Coach feature. Others, like me, find it off-putting.

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/yakireev

Completely unrelated, but: consider moving the words from the word document to a flashcard app of your choice. Anki is mine. You'll have the same functionality of a plain document (in the desktop app), and many other features - the spaced repetition in a smartphone app being one of the best.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dogend

I could not agree more with the first two paragraphs. Do bring back the extra-point progress bar and the words-learned count!

DL: For future reference, rather than eliminate interface elements and risk alienating the site's visitors, consider offering the option to stick with an older design or even letting users pick elements to suit individual preferences. Alternatively, if you want to test a new element, offer it as a separate section or a beta version of the site and observe the traffic before pulling the plug on what may be a popular design element.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZakkGriffi

To see the number of words learned, go to the Words tab at the top, next to Home (in the browser version).

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/integra1

And then to see your XP points by language, go to the Profile page? Come on, that's nowhere as easy as having it all on the main page.

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZakkGriffi

I didn't presume to imply otherwise.
I was pointing out that the Words list still exists, not defending their choice in making the interface less efficient.

October 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sunshinelouie

Zakk can you match words list to XP points or some way to measure how far/close you are to a new level?

October 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZakkGriffi

As far as I'm aware, the words list is irrelevant to XP.

See this link for level breakdowns by XP:
https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1358479

To work out what you're asking for:
Go to Home --> Check Leaderboard; All Time; Yourself --> Compare your current XP to the cumulative totals in the above link
You'll then know how much XP you need to the next level.

October 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lemelisk

am i the only person who doesn't have the coach and still has the xp bar?

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PantsTresBien

They seem to be rolling it out gradually. Sounds like a lot of people got it today.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/polksnan

Depends, 'cause I've been hearing about it for a week or so, and I still have my progress bar

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territech

I still have my progress bar, too. I wonder if this depends on the browser you are using? (I use Safari on a MacBook)

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/swtoby

I don't understand how Duolingo suddenly forces users to use certain "unnecessary" features like this, instead of giving us the option to disable them. I've said it before and I'll be saying it again: Please make this website more customizable! I understand you guys want to appeal to a broad and general user base, but come on, if you keep this up you will eventually loose your most loyal users because of these constant annoying little changes.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nita6142

I absolutely agree. I am very unhappy with this feature change and would disable it instantly.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dwduo

Consistent throughout their design, it seems that they feel options are a bad thing. The sad thing is, if the metrics tell them 10,000,000 people have joined and 1,000,000 have left, it's still a win.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CestunmoiMario1

aggreed

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territech

I'm not getting what people are talking about regarding XP levels. What is the difference between this and the 15, 13, 11 that I see for Guenterpolo on this page? And I am at 14 in both Spanish and German and there is a graph showing the distance remaining to 15. What else is there (or was there)?

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaljc

You are in the control group, by the sound of it!

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territech

Sounds like I am lucky to not have experienced this change!

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territech

In case someone from Duolingo is reading this discussion, I would like to say that I use the app on my iPhone AND the computer. The iPhone is great because I take it with me everywhere; the computer is great because it has some additional features. I stopped using the coach, because I can't spend a consistent amount of time every day; however, the "streak" feature motivates me to do something every day. Sometimes I spend a few minutes, occasionally a few hours, either way I get my streak! I am somewhat, though less so, motivated by the XP. The levels give me a target to work toward, but it isn't very meaningful because I can get XP without making any progress. What I want MOST of all, in addition to the streak, is an indicator of how far I have progressed through the course. I do this myself now in a spreadsheet by tracking the number of words I have learned (displayed on Duolingo) against the number of words in the course (based on some numbers provided elsewhere in this discussion.) I would like for Duolingo to do that for me.

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vermist

Agreed! I've done my own calculations regarding how many words and skills I've completed out of what's offered, but it'd be nice to see progress bars for that.

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Samy1979

I hate the new Coach. One thing is the missing XP-Stuff, other ist that you have to achieve your goal to continue your streak. So I set the coach on 1 xp, what is not very motivating either...

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LizMoelfryn

Felt really miffed when my XP levels disappeared from my phone yesterday. They were a great motivator, and the graph was just the thing to to make me do that 'bit extra'. Everyone else's sentiments echoed - please bring the XP graph back to the app!

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alsterellie

I agree, please bring back the bar.

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tariqnisarahmed

So glad I coach myself, and never adopted coaching on app or site! Hope they give you all a way out short of creating a new user. And hope they do not force coaches on all users!!!

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bwanna379

if you want to know how much you've got till the next level ------> http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/XP check that out then go on your leader board and click all time, check that out and compare it with the graph on the website

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hadert

I upvoted you because it's really useful, and it's just silly that someone bothered to downvote a useful advice. Given all that, I really want my XP bar back! ))

October 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SoverCub

My personal experience after a month of having the coach.

After having a good run in the initial days with the coach (20 xp as my goal) I had to lower it down to 1 in some days where I was very busy and wanted to maintain my streak.

Now, I see absolutely no incentive to take it back to 20. After all, It's all about my discipline and it really doesn't do much to change my progress rate.

November 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SeanaGraham

I agree with the others here. I found trying to advance to the next level much more inspiring, even if it was a long way away.

November 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/laura_marche

I really hope the bring back the XP levels soon.

November 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CorryEngelbrecht

You would think with SO much negative feedback in this thread and many others, that Duolingo might actually listen to their users.

November 30, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rfoscaldi

The new features are just awful. Period. To quote KalinaZ below "irreversible options are not options at all."

December 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rfoscaldi

I also found that it is much harder to earn lingots this way. Why must you ruin a good, motivating thing Duolingo?

December 23, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CameronSM88

I agree, I feel much more motivated if I know I am anywhere near leveling up than if I just know I want to complete a certain skill. I think they should continue with the coach but also show the level progress like they used to.

January 8, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ines672629

i didn't know about the coach. I like to see how I am doing. Bring back the XP

March 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulJD1

I created a profile three days ago, and I've had it the whole time. is it just me?

October 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/polksnan

That's because they're rolling it out gradually. New users get the new stuff before, for it wouldn't make sense to give old stuff to new users.

October 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/louis.vang

I am not a new user. I had the choose for the coach, but i didn't know that it was irreversible :-)

October 10, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ryanerr

Ah now

October 9, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daltontrumbo

I have tried in vain to get the script to work on chrome, REALLY unhappy with new changes, first time I've left a comment re Duolingo, XP levels were the actual motivators!!!, coach doesn't do much for the regular user, Please please please duolingo, bring XP levels back!!!!! sniff sniff

October 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidalso

Can you describe your steps when trying to run the script?

October 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/art1809

cOACH leave me alone

October 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marquivon

The XP levels are now visible, if you click on the name from the scorecard. And also, you can see the scoring of your friends too! Glad it's back :)

October 26, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Milaena

Hmm my solution would be to wait until I reach the next level, and once I do, I'll take note of how many XPs I have, then I would go to this link https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1358479 and follow "olimo's" answer, and just add the number of XPs you need to reach the next level + the number of XPs you already have, write down that number, and wait to reach it...for example if I have 2000 XPs and I'm on level 10, and I need 750 XPs to get to level 11 (according to olimo's chart, which is the same for everybody in terms of how many XPs you need for the next level), I will just add 2000+750 and I will see that when I have 2750 XPs I will have reached level 11...but do note that this will not necessarily work if you like to go over lessons more than once/strengthen skills :)

October 26, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Transitioning

I'm beating a dead horse posting this everywhere, but that method pains me to read! Revert back to the XP bar! I posted a step-by-step tutorial which takes about 3 minutes to do, and has a Chrome and FF version of the tutorial. Cheggit: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/5144049

October 28, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Milaena

THANK YOU SO MUCH

October 28, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eric-Wubbo

I agree. Really not a fan of the coach myself. Of course, XP-levels are rather artificial for something like language, which can be forgotten, making skills decrease, in contrast to the hitpoints of a character in a computer game that can only increase. Still, the level progress bar was fun and motivating. And I thought that if you don't give feedback on actions, people simply give up in the end.

If retention really is a problem, they may want to try other techniques. Perhaps tapping into the deeper motivations why people want to learn a language? For example by adding live chatboxes so people can chat in their target language or such without going to another site? Perhaps with getting Lingot credit if they are willing to spend some minutes going to their native-language forums if there is a lack of native-language speakers/coaches there? Yeah, retention is tough when the novelty of something wears off - even extremely successful products like World of Warcraft have that problem. But if Duolingo can tap into mechanisms that are deeper than the superficial curiosity which is doused when it turns out that you need to spend dozens of hours and learn not dozens but thousands of words to get to an acceptable proficiency level in any language, it may increase its retention dramatically. At the moment, Duolingo to me is much like a gimmick - something with in my opinion too many flaws and inefficiencies to learn languages quickly and effectively, but fun to do if I want to relax for a few minutes.

Also, I think Duolingo ideally should do 'environmentally friendly' marketing by also looking at the needs of the users; a software company that makes its product so addictive that it negatively impacts the life of its users should not feel too proud of itself. For me, I have enough things to do and so little practical need to learn any new language that one exercise per day is more than enough for me. I don't think that Duolingo has much right to complain about that...

November 7, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrHazard

You make some good points. One that you mention—live chatboxes—is interesting. I'm not sure I could invest that much time in Duolingo. However, I have made a few friends on Duolingo that have helped me a lot. Ironically, the most helpful was when I signed up to learn English in the Spanish forum (my native language is English, but I thought it would be fun). That way, I made friends with a couple of Spanish people who are trying to learn English.

The mixed messages in English/Spanish that we send to each other really improve my skills. I struggle to express myself in Spanish, but at least it has some context!

November 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eric-Wubbo

Interesting suggestion! I may want to look at the forums a bit more...

November 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrHazard

If you sign up for the English for Spanish speakers, Duoling has an odd system. You have to go to the "add a new course," and say you speak Spanish in the "I speak" box. Then you can sign up to whatever you want (I also do the Spanish-French, which makes things interesting).

When you're in this mode, your English-based courses disappear. To get back to them, you have to reverse the process (put "Inglés" in the box, sign up for the Spanish for English-speakers—even though you're already signed up,—etc.) While the points, lingots, etc. add up as usual in a single count, you have to switch back and forth this way to get to the different accounts.

November 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Angrydwarf116

how do you level up? by new lessons or strengthening old ones?

February 12, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrHazard

Both. Any practice unit gives you ten points, and as you probably know, the number of points per level increases as it goes up. For me, at level 18 in two languages, it takes 1500 points to go up a level.

As for lingots, they're harder to get unless you do the translating bit. You get a couple for a new level, but unlike earlier versions, you don't get anything for a perfect round. The longer you can maintain an unbroken daily practice, the more you can build up lingots. At 400-and-some straight days, I get 40-something lingots every ten days—which inspires me to do it every day. :)

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alligator7777

you can translate paragraphs in immersion.

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hober_Mellow

Exuse me for asking such a question, but is there any possibility to get back the XP levels if I want to refuse from the coach? Or is there a possibility to switch the mode between the Level and the Coach mode?

August 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidalso

It's okay to ask, but unfortunately the answer is no. You can continue to refuse the coach, which I've always done, but if you have a smartphone then it means you won't be able to use the phone app. You can, however, use the mobile version on the phone's web browser.

August 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StephViolet1

I know! I loved setting myself goals to reach a certain amount of XP within a set time period! I found that motivating too!

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SeanaGraham

You can use your profile to find out where you are. Just hit the arrow by your profile picture and tap the words "your profile" and it will list the languages you are learning and tell me how many XPs you need to get to the next level.

December 25, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StephViolet1

Hey! Yes, I am aware of this, I wasn't very clear in my poor wording.... When I hit level 25 I can no longer level up. I find it a bit demotivating and feel that there should be more levels or some other reward system in place maybe...

December 25, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SeanaGraham

Oh, right. I haven't quite reached that problem yet, but I can understand how you feel.I think I probably need to branch out into other non-Duo activities to improve.

December 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Candy96275

I agree this new system is just frustrating!

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Angelafraser4

I loved seeing the cup levels! Why have they gone away in the last few weeks!?

February 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrainyPirate

I just got a notification that I was close to leveling up, but I can’t find the action data anywhere on my phone’s browser version of Duo. Help?

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Joanne394981

I agree, we need the levels back.

May 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elimelek1

Agreed, I'm commenting on this just to find that number

June 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sieng5

Please do bring back the individual XP levels.

June 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sieng5

Please do bring back the individual XP levels.

June 26, 2019
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