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Lingvist claims to teach you a languages in just 200 hours. It seems very possible to me that they could considering how much I learnt in just 13 minutes. It's free and effective just like Duolingo. One step further to fluency. https://lingvist.io. Sign up now! I wish they had a placement test... Oh well. Practice makes perfect. Wait, Lingvist won't be free forever, so hurry and sign up now before the beta testing ends! The thing is really immersive. The thing is non stop and has an unlimited amount of questions, but at the same time you're moving on without knowing that you are. Unlike Duolingo, there are no subjects and there's only one gigantic lesson which takes 200 hours to do. When you decide that you've had enough for the day, simply log out and everything will be saved. It also repeats the exercises you got wrong so that you can remember them. I love it! It has a bunch of colloquial language like "Bon sang!" Or slang words for words like "job" is "boulot" instead of "travail". Also phrases such as "Dieu et mon droite" when teaching the word "droite". Of course, Lingvist is only good in addition to Duolingo. Never by itself. It has an "immersion" section too like the reading and listening tab.
I have just spent an hour on it and have "learned" 400 words. In fact only a few of these words are not the French Duo tree, which I finished some time ago.
I suspect that Lingvist would be difficult for complete beginners, unless the programme is clever enough to adjust for them, but for people who have been learning for some time and want an fresh approach it could be a useful supplement. I will certainly try the German and Spanish versions when they are launched.
The French voices on Lingvist are excellent.
Since this morning I have spent another couple of hours on Lingvist. I have decided that I really like it and that it is a very good resource for my post-tree level of French. With Duo after completing a tree you find that you when you "strengthen skills" you keep getting the same sentences repeated, and all the same annoying quirks with good answers rejected etc. Lingvist only asks for one French word each time, so it is much easier to tell what they are looking for. It seems that the whole Lingvist progamme will be 5,000 words - so if I complete the course it will certainly add to my vocabulary.
I hope the creators of Duo take a good look at Lingvist and learn from it - not least the value of a really good French voice.
Duolingo isn't oblivious. It simply doesn't have the $$ for those upgrades, because they want to keep these courses free. Lingvist is only free at the moment. They are banking on charging people as soon as it's out of beta, so they can add features that cost a lot more money.
I don't hold it against Lingvist that they intend to charge people to use their material. I expect that I will pay for the full programme when it is launched. I would certainly be happy to pay a reasonable amount for Duo if it decided to launch a "deluxe" version with all the problems ironed out.
It will be interesting to see if the Lingvist way of just asking us for one word in each question is as effective as the Duo way of requiring us to translate correctly whole phrases and sentences. It must be far easier and cheaper to write the Lingvist courses, since there is only one right answer to each question - instead of the dozens of possible answers to each Duo question.
But as for the voices, if you have millions of people using your material and you have worked so hard to write a great program and construct a learning path, you really have to get the best possible voice you can to speak it.
Seems really useful, especially since I'm having a bit of a hard time with French on Duolingo.
This sounded great, I was thinking "I can finally learn Russian!!!!.....nope, wait. darn."
Update: I just played around with it for a few minutes, this is a really interesting site. It's really cool that they have real speakers for the audio. I'll probably play around with it until it leaves beta and starts charging money.
Update 2: I really like how they throw in colloquial expressions. "Ce n'est pas mon truc", etc.
now let's just hope it stays in beta/free for a long time so i can make the best of it......
This is the perfect companion to Duolingo. I will be using this a lot to learn French, and I hope new languages are added soon. Thanks a lot!
If I sign up for French in beta, will they let me learn Spanish later for free? :D
Trying it now. Different than Duo, but still very very FUN!!! Loving this. Then I'll be back here slogging through German as I've been doing (so close...yet so far away....)
EDIT: Ok they put in the accent over the e for me on cafe :) (coffee)
EDIT 2: OH I SEE, the "e" with the accent is on the right, just click it.
ALSO, I like that you can HEAR the LA sound there much better and the LE (luh) sound much better there than here, it is hard to figure out here.
Thank you for pointing me to lingvist. I really like it, especially because you do not fail excersises, you just repeat the phrases that you do not answer correctly and the system figures it out automatically when to repeat it. I wish there would be more statistics about your progress and some experience/level mechanic like in duolingo. I guess I would like a mixture of duolingo and lingvist best.
Hit the 'Dashboard' button on the menu bar, and it has a "My Progress" section there that keeps pretty good stats on your progress.
Yeah, I have seen those. But I would like to have more statistics than those offered.
I am inclined to agree, but I wonder if any true first-time learners have tried. Since they are in beta, you'd think they would at a minimum ask people to rate their own knowledge when registering. Or better, of course, give an assessment test.
Thanks again for this information! I have a vague recollection of signing up for the waiting list, but I didn't hear back from them and just registered now when you mentioned it. I just spent 23 minutes on it, and am planning to go back. Although the course is starting from scratch and I have already finished my French tree here, it is always good to go back an review a few things, and I have a feeling that there will be a lot of new words coming if I keep at it. 200 hours is certainly not enough to learn a language, but if you can keep yourself busy practicing a language for 200 hours while having fun, it's still beneficial for your language skills.
Just tried it, it's great (but useless for me, i'm French). Looks like Duo has some competition :)
This actually looks pretty good. I can't wait till they release their German and Italian versions...
Don't worry, they'll have it soon enough. Some other duolinguist just signed up :)
Can I just make one correction: in the title it says Lingvist is out of beta, whereas in fact is is still in beta (just with a French module at the moment).
I think it's full of very useful practices to get familiar with everyday french.
Unlimited seems farfetched? I bet they do have a lot. I always wished Duolingo had a marathon type alternative setting, video game style like that. What do you mean before beta testing ends? Will they suddenly start charging me a fee?
I don't know. Maybe the beta users might not have to. They said it's free in beta...
Yes, many programs say they are free, but it is just a free trial period. That is why I am cautious about trying programs that don't say they are free, but qualify it as "free in beta".
I know it won't be popular, but 200 hours is not fluency no matter what program you try. Honestly with a site making such claims I would be very skeptical of wha they say. 200 hours in any decent program should get you to the point of a breakthrough learner, being able to learn from native sources ( with a dictonary ). Not saying duo is the end-all, far from it, just to be careful with wild claims.
I am always open to trying new things so I did 30 minutes or so last night. The website needs some work, but is mostly functional. My brief review of the site quickly revealed the major problem that people will face with the site; it has a "flash card" mentality. There is only one right answer for any card even though multiple words might be appropriate. This is one place where Duo really shines, the ability for it to accept a wide variety of answers whose meaning is the same.
Digging through their blog they are claiming B2 fluency which is nonsense. You can not achieve B2 without three or four times as much investment as well as interacting with native speakers.
The good, making you retype the word until you get the spelling right and using good audio with multiple voices.
Did more. It does have an appeal, but you are typing one word in a larger sentence. I think that if I had not known as much French as I do know it would be very slow going. I have gotten words that I have not seen on Duo, but they are also words that I have not seen in my travels either, so it's a wash. I feel like the one word at a time with audio would give me more sentences, but with less understanding.
Still think the audio is a lot better than Duo and the readings are better for understanding than immersion.
Worth a try, it seems, if only for the good audio review. Merci!
Update 1 Trying it, and liking it! Like a faster Memrise, but with sentences like Duolingo, and great voice!
Update 2 Just tried the Listen tab -- excellent! Like the info you get from clicking on words in the text, too. That reminds me of Lingocracy...
Well, I must say it introduced French extremely quickly. The only French I know is from the French I dabbled in here on Duo and without that I wouldn't have had any clue what to do. They simply launch you right into the French words and I had no clue what was going on but if that is the intention then they are very good at it ;-)
I tried it. I find it to be relatively slow. I'm not sure how it's possible to complete in just 200 hours. But still, I'll give it a shot. Merci beaucoup!
Merci, it looks like a good parallel resource! Of course, fluency in 200 hours is perhaps too wild to be true rsrs
It is only Eng to Fr, isn't it?
I will try it, when I start French. Few weeks later..
Wish you had tried while the site was available. Would like to know what a true first time learner thinks of the method...
I started it ( just a few minutes). But it is better if my friends say something about it. So I told this site to everybody :)
There are a few learners from the DL community who are trying French for the first time on lingvist. Very interesting to see how well all of you do!
I had tried to registrar quite some time ago but was put on a waiting list. I received an invitation to join a couple weeks ago. Sure disappointed it wasn't Spanish. Learning French is kind of way down on my list of languages to learn but I have joined mostly to have my foot in the door for when Spanish does come available. I find it very difficult because I have absolutely no knowledge of French and so far there has been no grammar instruction. Lack of desire to learn the language doesn't really help but through repetition I have begun to pick up a few words. I don't spend much time working on the site at one time because of other language studies I am focusing on.
wow, i am definitely going to try that out! i love duo lingo, but it takes forever to learn!i have been on something like 3 weeks and earned like 4 skills
It automatically saves progress (in terms of words, not the exact card you were on when you stopped).
I just had a 25 minute play on it and I think it's difficult for me to give a true judgement of how good it is at teaching language given I spent most of that time inputting words that I've known for years ("Je" for example) and only picked up a few words that Duo hasn't gotten to yet. Definitely could have done with a placement test. But I have to question how useful it can be to teach French by itself - it only seems to cover words and not the construction of sentences, which I think promotes a passive consumption of language instead of actively having to translate and type the way Duolingo and even Livemocha do.
However, they have Reading and Listening sections that clearly have promise (There are functions that do not appear to actually work atm so I am not sure what the eventual intention is) and I can see it being a useful adjunct to other learning programmes or language exchange practice.
But its not going to be free forever and I'm not sure I would pay for something that only taught me vocabulary and didn't elicit active sentence construction...
Listening was working yesterday. But today the site seems to have stopped working at all..
Have had a lot of trouble with that site today (Nov 9). Logged on and was doing my Memorize drills, then it just stopped giving new words. I was still able to navigate on the site. But zero new drills. Then it logged me out, and I could not log back in.
I just get this message now when I try: "There appears to be a problem on our side, please try again later."
So I tried to create a new account and got "There appears to be a technical error, please try again later."
I was able to log in just now (noon on 10 November where I am), and I could use both the listening and the reading exercises yesterday.
Looks like a great site, I will sign up for French, though I hope they'll add German soon enough! However, its interesting that this site is also available in Estonian. Does anyone know why is it so?