The examples you give are correct and can be said either with or without, but there are sentences, like the one for this exercise, that can't be said without "ones." If you said that to someone, they would look at you "sideways" and say, "New what?" The fact the we leave "ones" off of sentences like the the "ones" you gave is just slang. If one were using formal English, the "ones" would be included.
Those new are perfect does not make sense in English. The Italian sentence does. Sometimes, we have to change the structure of a sentence so it makes sense in both languages. The idea is to stay as true to the original sentence as possible while making a grammatically correct sentence.
That's been annoying me too! I found this on a website, so can't guarantee it's accuracy, but it looks pretty comprehensive. Could someone please confirm?
When preceding a noun:
quel/quei quell'/quegli (before a vowel) quello/quegli (before s+consonant)
quella/quelle quell'/quelle (before a vowel)
When standing by itself:
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Yeah that seems right, I'd like to add what I got from a website too.
quel masculine singular before a consonant (except impure s, gn, pn, ps, x, z)
quell' masculine singular before a vowel
quello masculine singular before impure s, gn, pn, ps, x, z
quella feminine singular before a consonant
quell' feminine singular before a vowel
quei masculine plural before a consonant (except impure s, gn, pn, ps, x, z)
quegli masculine plural before a vowel, impure s, gn, pn, ps, x, z
quelle feminine plural
quello masculine singular
quelli masculine plural
quella feminine singular
quelle feminine plural
So it all depends on whether you're using it as an adjective or a pronoun. In this question you're saying "Those/The new ones" therefore you're using it in its pronoun form. Hope that helps anyone who is not sure.
I'd say its because "they" are masculine, so the sentence uses the masculine plural pronoun "quelli". I think that some of the confusion here can result from not differentiating between demonstrative adjectives and demonstratives pronouns. The same English word (e.g. "those") can serve either function - if it stands on its own it's a pronoun, but if it comes before a noun it's an adjective. While English uses the same word for both, Italian can use different words in some cases e.g. quei and quelli. (see timedranzer above).
This is what I understood: Quel toro (Masculin Singular). Quella porta (Fem sing). Quei libri (Masc Plural). Quelle donne (Fem pl). Special forms: Quello squalo/Quell'anatra/Quegli uomini. All meaning "that __". "That" without a noun (with the meaning of "that one" or "that ones") however translates as 'Quello/quella/quelli/quelle'. Referring to the bull: "Quello e forte." The door: "Quella e chiusa". The books: " Quelli sono interessanti". The women: "Quelle sono belle". Hope this helps.
Hi, thanks for your explanation. Yes I think 'Quei' is used in front of masculine plural nouns e.g. those books/quei libri. But if you're saying something that causes a separation between 'those' and the masculine plural subject you instead use 'quelli', like in the case of: Those are books - Quelli sono libri. Or, those are mine - Quelli sono i miei. Does that sound like I've understood?