General question: I've read that 'de' is pronounced 'dom'. But Duolingo says it's said how it's spelt. Does anyone know whether it's 'de' or 'dom'?
It's always dom. You'll never hear anyone say it as de and if you say it that way it's a giveaway that you're not from there. The course creators said they're looking for a different TTS because this one isn't really the greatest. http://www.forvo.com/word/de/#sv Here's how to pronounce it :)
I disagree, you can say it as "de". But "dom" (said, not written) is also not wrong.
It may be that in some cases "de" would sound overly formal and out of place, but I can't think of any such cases off the bat. In this particular example "de" would definitely work.
I agree with Fredrik. I guess "dom" could also feel a bit too casual in some edge case, like announcing a Nobel Prize winner. Most of the time don't worry about it.
In writing it does matter though. You never use "dom" in any setting where language is important, like at work or academically. If you write "dom" while casually texting a friend they probably won't care (even though it's technically incorrect). But don't do it if your boss/teacher/colleague/customer/Duolingo is going to read it. That's the only hard rule between "de" and "dom".
You can always pronounce it "dom". Learning how to spell it on the other hand, and distinguish between the different kinds (de, dem) that's the tricky part. In fact many Swedes can't even master it... But it's not that hard to learn, it's the same as some English or American people not being able to distinguish "their" and "they're".
What the hell, "dom"? It's the first time I hear about it, has all my life been a lie? Anyway, how can you pronunce "de" "dom", really? And what is that you talk about, some "dem" thing? Can somebody explain it the simpliest way possible to me?
de is always pronounced as dom. http://www.forvo.com/word/de/#sv "dem" is the object form of "de" (just like "dig" is the object form of "du"). So for instance, if you were saying "I love you" you would say "jag älskar dig" and if you are saying "I love them" you would say "jag älskar dem" "dem" and "de" are both pronounced dom. "dem" pronounced: http://www.forvo.com/word/dem/#sv "de" pronounced: http://www.forvo.com/word/de/#sv
There are three words. De, Dem and Dom. In informal Swedish especially spoken, 'de' and 'dom' are often replaced with 'dom'. 'De' and 'Dem' are NOT interchangable and it is very very common that even native swedes can't get it correct. Read post #6 here: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1855386
"dom" doesn't exist in writing - only in speech. There is only "de" and "dem" in writing, and any other spelling is wrong.
The correct way to spell it is 'de' but if your lucky enough Duolingo will think it was a typo and give you it right!
can someone explain to me why it is they eat the food rather than they eat a meal?
thankyou martin ive just got to the meal level now...plurals are quite challenging at the minute :-)
Just in case if someone else gets confused (because I know I did): --Meal = Måltid --Food = Mat --The meal = Måltiden --The food = Maten
Woooow that is bull crap. I have been learning Swedish for several months now and I came back to this unit to practice and suddenly "de" is pronounced "dome?"
De/dem is pronounced as if it were spelled "dom", yes. Our first TTS did not get this right, which is one of the reasons we changed to the current one.
Not true. You can say either. It's just that "dom" is a more common (and more casual) variation of "de/dem" in speech. Technically it's slang that the whole country uses daily.
It's probably as universally accepted as a word can be without entering the dictionaries (yet). And so it's formally incorrect to use "dom" in writing, but in speech you can usually say "de/dem" or "dom" interchangeably unless your setting is super formal or super casual. I went over that a bit more along with fredrik.niemela in another reply on this page.
In all but a select few dialects (mainly in Finland), de/dem is pronounced "dom". It's not slang, but how modern Swedish is used. Writing and saying "dom" is not incorrect in any way. Pronouncing de/dem as it's written is a hypercorrection and likely to sound a bit off.
Okay yes, I can agree that my usage of "slang" was too loose here. What I meant was that "dom" is simply a colloquial way of saying "de/dem". So in essence we agree on that part.
I also agree that speaking "de" can sound overly stiff and formal, and that "dom" is more commonly used, but that doesn't mean "de" is incorrect, even if it's used more occasionally. If someone pronounced "de/dem" in the context "Titta på de där ankorna! Titta på dem!", then at least in the south of Sweden no one would think twice. It may be a regional thing, but saying it's wrong is a bit too far. What's to say people can't be formal anyway? :)
I can't agree that writing "dom" is accepted all the time. In casual writing people use it all the time and no one cares, (least of all me, in fact I wrote "dom äter maten" without thinking about it and got marked wrong here on Duolingo) but it's actively discouraged in academia. If you use it in your thesis or any kind of formal text it will be frowned upon. A relaxed professor/boss/editor/teacher might let it through, but chances are it will be marked for correction. In the future it will probably be completely synonymous, but for now it's still has a casual slant, and you might get a bit of a ribbing for using it in a serious setting.