https://www.duolingo.com/HelenCarlsson

FYI: About gloves in "Clothes" skill

The Swedish words for glove/gloves are handske/handskar. Unfortunately they are not correctly pronounced. The voice is pronouncing "sk" like "sk" in "sked" (spoon) or "skj" in "skjorta" (shirt), if you are familiar with those words.

Anyway, it should be "s" + "k" as in "scarface".

The bug is reported and I hope it can be fixed :).

November 19, 2014

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https://www.duolingo.com/Anrui
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Handske, along with about 100 other words, has been disabled. However, that only means that you won't receive any hearing exercises involving the word. We can unfortunately not disable it completely. We know about these problems and the only thing we can do is to replace the TTS-system.

Handske is terrible, but wait until you reach "racket"! I've had nightmares about that pronunciation!

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/davost

Have you reported these 100 words to the TTS vendor? Maybe they can do something about it for the whole system.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/SDPhil

For the words that you have disabled, can you provide a list so learners can go on Forvo to hear the correct pronunciation? :) (BTW, thank you for the course. Jag älskar svenska.)

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenCarlsson

It is rakett, isn't it :)? I keep reporting pronounciation bugs, do you want me to? If you already know them all, I'll stop :).

It is not always that bad. I just did the five lessons of the "Verbs: Present" skill and The Voice was in great shape.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Anrui
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  • 35

Well, we do know all the pronunciation errors (I went through every single sentence and disabled bad ones before the release), but it is good to know where we have issues. It is just so frustrating, because (a) we cannot really do anything about it, more than noting it & (b) all the reports about the bad TTS really mess with our metrics, which in turn delays the app release...

Racket should be pronounced as it is written but the TTS says "Rejschet". No idea why!

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenCarlsson

Thanks! I'll stop reporting voice errors from now on. If something sounds really crazy, I might add a comment in the "Discuss sentence" field.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Anrui
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  • 35

Thanks :)

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/landsend

Oh, TTS fixes, doesn't seem to likely...

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Anders91

We are looking to replace the current TTS because of the large amount of words it cannot pronounce properly.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenCarlsson

That sounds great! I have heard really odd pronounciations in the English course as well, so I know that it is a common problem.

The fact that the voice pronounces "tycka om" (like) as "tycka om" (think of) is also rather annoying.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/ewerb

YES! I spent ages drilling that into my brain when I was doing SFI and the voice is making me unlearn that carefully acquired skill :-(

November 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/landsend

Great!

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/RikSha

I tried 'handske' with Ivona and it sounded correct. But apparently the course is not using Ivona (like the Danish course)?

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Anrui
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  • 35

We have tried Ivona, but it has other flaws. It may get handske right, but there a few more words...

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Carnaedy

Well, the question is, does Ivona make errors as frequently as the current TTS? Not just by sheer amount of words, but also by how frequently those words will be encountered. After all, the current TTS pronounces "de" wrong, and that is a word one is bound to hear over and over again. If Ivona makes errors on very specific words that are not all that common, that would probably be quite an acceptable trade off.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Anrui
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  • 35

The problem is that it is extremely difficult to compare them in a fair way. We have tried to use common sentences and compare them, but like I said, our assessment was that it wasn't any better. We are of course looking into this!

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/RikSha

Ok then, I will stop listening to the audios. Is there any site where I could check the pronunciation in IPA? I thought I had found a good site babl.la, but when I entered 'handske' it sounded like 'kanske' starting with an 'h'.

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/erikblomqvist

I cannot stop recommending the site forvo.com. It's not based on TTS, but Swedish is one of the biggest languages there and you'll get recordings from native Swedes, which would really help you out when there's doubt.

November 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/RikSha

I agree, it's really good. I use it a lot with Danish words, if for some reason DDO doesn't have a sound file for the word I'm checking. Which is often the case when I'm in doubt with inflected forms.

November 20, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Anrui
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  • 35

Well, you can trust the voice on hearing exercises. We recommend the Swedish voices Erik, Emil and Elin on Acapela http://www.acapela-group.com/?lang=sv

November 19, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/RikSha

Ok, tack

November 19, 2014
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