"De stora bondgårdarna"

Translation: The big farms

[major0celot]

the big the farms = the big farms? can someone explain this to me

[Yerrick]

When you have a definite noun with an adjective, Swedish requires a standalone article (det/den/de) to be added before the adjective.

[major0celot]

ah thank you!

[sandeepa2]

Tack

[devalanteriel]

Re-recording

The voice is not quite perfect on this sentence, as of May 10th, 2018, so I've taken the liberty of re-recording it.

Unless the farm belongs to James Bond, bondgårdarna has the incorrect pronunciation of the first vowel. :)

Please find a correct recording on http://duolingo.vydea.io/5c6beeb44ed647498cd24b435675d74f.mp3

For more info on re-recordings, please check the info thread: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/23723515

Thanks for listening. Ha en bra dag! :)

[alexwooty]

So bondgård is farm and trädgård is garden... what's the link here?

[blindeh]

I'll take a shot at this. Hopefully I get it right.

bonde = farmer
träd = tree
And I'm guessing gård is the relation to a garden or area that something is grown in.

So a bondgård would be a farmer's land, e.g. farm, and trädgård would be related to your lawn, or the English version of a garden (as opposed to the American version of a garden).

I hope I got that right.

[Zmrzlina]

Some etymology: gård originally referred to an enclosed area of some kind, so the gård in bondgård was the area around the farm. But gård has acquired a lot of meanings, and became increasingly general in meaning. Thus, the trädgård is the tree-area and the bondgård is the farmer-area. There is also the word skärgård meaning "archipelago", but taken very literally it's the "skerry-yard".

[kiteo]

Ah! Skerry is Scottish and yep it’s from Old Norse. Skerry-yard sounds lovely.

Midgard etc from the same root as gård I see.

[Bailjo]

Why de instead of den? Is it obvious and I'm not getting it?

[Yerrick]

Because "bondgårdarna" is plural, and so is "de".

[Bailjo]

So the only way to determine what it means is context?

[Yerrick]

Well, yes. "De" has two separate meanings: the pronoun "they" when it occupies the subject position in a sentence (de dricker vatten), and the article "the" when it precedes an adjective before a plural noun (de stora bondgårdarna).

[JYH6UtXB]

Tack så mycket, Yerrick! I came here with the same 'de' question :).

[Bailjo]

OK. That clears it up.

[DanSurf]

Can this not mean "those big farms" also? If not, how to say that?

[Bailjo]

That would be [De där stora bondgårdarna].

[shaneritz]

Heh. "Them there big farms", basically.

[Arnauti]

de is the plural of the article den/det (like 'the') here, not the pronoun de (like 'they').

[DanSurf]

Thanks so much :)

[aline-de-boer]

Does it have to be pronounced as 'de' ?

[exqeriment]

No, it's normally pronounced "dom"

[deena102]

Could the answer therefore also be The big farmyards?

[_JesseKat]

Presumably, yes.

[Arnauti]

It can't actually, since 'farmyards' aren't the same things as 'farms'. bondgård means just 'farm'. 'a farmyard' can be en gårdsplan and in the right context, en gård could also work.

[Trilby16]

Tinycards has this word as farmhouse.

[kiteo]

Tinycards can sometimes be a lil shonky. I don’t think it means that but?

[devalanteriel]

A farmhouse is technically a mangårdsbyggnad, though the term isn't common in Swedish at all.