"Jag simmar inte förrän på tisdag."

Translation:I am not swimming until Tuesday.

November 30, 2014

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What is the purpose of "på" in this sentence?


We normally use with days of the week in Swedish.


If that's the case, could you clarify why the sentence "Jag simmer inte före/innan tisdag" doesn't use på before "tisdag" to describe the days of the week? Tack.


I guess that was a much too short answer. I meant this: is the standard preposition for days of the week, just like i is the one for months. på måndag but i januari. So is the default preposition for saying something took place on Tuesday.

Of course other prepositions can be used for other meanings: före tisdag for 'before Tuesday' or under tisdagen for 'during Tuesday' or efter tisdag for 'after Tuesday' and so on.

It is also of course possible to mention the day without a preposition as long as you're not saying that something took place on that day: Idag är det tisdag 'It's Tuesday today'.

But when we want to say that something takes place on a day, we want a preposition. In English, you can hear people say I'll do it Monday, without a preposition, but that doesn't work in Swedish.

However, förrän is a conjunction [subjunction in newer terminology]. It establishes the relationship between phrases or groups of words, but it does not anchor the event sufficiently in time for our taste. This seems to be the case for all conjunctions in Swedish, although one can be shared across an och or eller: Han kommer på måndag eller tisdag – you don't need to add an extra for Tuesday since it can share the one Monday has. (it wouldn't be wrong to add it though).

innan is the tricky case, it could be either a preposition or a conjunction. However when it's followed by på tisdag, it functions as a preposition, so we don't need (or want) one more to anchor the action in time.

Just to make things just a little more complicated, if you add a modifier such as nästa, 'next', the preposition will drop again. Jag kommer på måndag but Jag kommer nästa måndag (you can't add to the latter one). This is pretty parallel to English though so it shouldn't be too strange.

tl;dr förrän is a conjunction so you need a preposition, the others are prepositions so you don't need one more.


Can you explain why you use the defnite form in the example 'under tisdagen' but not 'efter/före tisdag'?


This sentence in English could also be 'I am not swimming before Tuesday' and have exactly the same meaning


But to say "I am not swimming before Tuesday" in Swedish, you'd say "Jag simmer inte före/innan tisdag". It wouldn't be the same.


That's what I was thinking. Unless they mean to say, "I'm swimming on monday, but I'll stop before Tuesday?" I am, right now, scratching my head, and hoping that I come to understand the difference!


I answered "i won't swim until tuesday" because it made more sense in my mind, but it was not accepted. Do you think it's correct?


Agree. I wrote "I will not swim until Tuesday" and was marked wrong. I guess that the reason is that we have not studied future tense yet.

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    Tills vs Forran?


    Why "I am not swimming before Tuesday." is not accepted?


    After reviewing comments, I'll come from far right field on this. I'm from California, my mother from Manhattan. I learned from her.

    I don't think I use "to swim" to alert people to my intent to swim. Only to the type of swimming: I swim well; I swim the backstroke but not the butterfly, etc.

    We combine the verb "to go" and the noun "swimming" or "a swim" as follows:

    I am about to go for a swim. I am about to go swimming. I will go swimming whenever. I went swimming earlier.

    Any thoughts? Regional American usage?


    When shall we use tills or förrän ?


    Could we use tills instead of förrän?


    It isn't currently an accepted translation, but in principle you could argue it should be, like this: This English sentence is ambiguous. Either it means what we first think it means: 'Tuesday is the earliest point in time I will go swimming'. But it could also be interpreted like this: 'I am not in the process of swimming from today all the time until Tuesday'. The latter interpretation would use tills. However this interpretation of the sentence, without any context to back it up, is far-fetched, and we usually don't accept such translations, since accepting them could be misleading – it could lead people to think that you could use tills for the most natural interpretation of this sentence, but you can't.


    so, as far as I understood, förrän focuses on the act or the verb that will be"executed" after the specific time (which is Tuesday here). is that right?


    Yes, exactly. inte förrän is 'not before'


    Sometimes I make the English sentence really awkward to try to match the Swedish sentence, without realizing the obvious more natural sounding translation. I wrote "I don't swim until on Tuesday", but that's obviously unnatural.


    inte forran is not until so i assume forran is until, but Tills is also until. Is this correct? What is the difference?


    I understand it like this: Jag simmar inte förrän på tisdag. => I don't swim sooner than on Tuesday. with the "sooner than" meaning "förrän". Thanks to this, it's easier to understand why the "på" is there.

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