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Verbs: Subjunctive/Imperative - Lack of Instruction

Duolingo needs to do a much better job at explaining the use of subjunctive and imperative verbs. As well as, the lesson needs to be way more elaborative and inclusive to more verbs.

For example, the verb "venir" (to come).

"Come with me" is an imperative phrase. Therefore, you would use "ven" to say "Ven comigo". But, isn't "Come with me" also subjunctive? The definition of subjunctive is "expressing hope, desire, or uncertainty". Is it certain that the person will come with you? In that case, the phrase would be "Vengas conmigo" in the subjunctive.

Very confused here! Ayudame por favor!

3 years ago

6 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Resonance2001

Well, I have done a video on the patterns of the subjunctive, if it helps http://youtu.be/dawf0G87lO0 but it might not make much sense without seeing the others from part 1 to 3. The imperative and subjunctive share some forms but not all. Quiero que vengas conmigo = I want you to come with me. Commands (familiar) ven conmigo, no vengas conmigo. Polite command, (no) venga conmigo

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Macjory
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Thanks! I've bookmarked your videos so I can listen to them when I have time to concentrate on thinking through what you're saying.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Resonance2001

Indeed. It's a good thing that videos can be paused I suppose. I wanted to make them shorter but it is a balancing act with putting the information I want in to them, speed etc. I'm working on an Italian one next then probably another Spanish one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vcel10
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Duolingo will not explain or further explain the use of subjunctive or imperative verbs. Duolingo's goal is not teach grammar. There are many sites that handle Spanish grammar like SpanishDict.com, StudySpanish.com and many blogs. Side note, there are many books that focus on the subjunctive mood if you're interested.

Andrew, another Spanish blogger on the web, published the The Spanish Subjunctive Explained + W.E.I.R.D.O System (awesome little mnemonic device for dealing with the subjunctive in Spanish). And of course, there a number of (YouTube) videos that go into great detail about the subjunctive.

I would strongly suggest that you read as much as possible en español. Ideally you begin to see a pattern and it will be intuitive. I have never studied the subjunctive mood in English and I probably used it often. The first time I heard it was when I started studying Spanish. Don't get me wrong, I understand grammar is important (and some times it truly isn't) but I never questioned the use of se in the expression ¿Cómo se llama usted? I just need to understand that it is widely accepted. Now depending on what country you're in, you may want to pay attention to the acceptable uses of the verb coger, or the noun pico

. . . ;-) soy un sucio anciano

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eggplantbren

"Duolingo's goal is not to teach grammar".

That's fine, but it would be nice if these two separate and large topics were not mashed together into one rushed confusing lesson. I think this is the weakest part of the Spanish course at the moment.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cheryl1
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Given that there is little context surrounding the sentences / phrases, it's often not possible to know what DL is looking for in a translation. I use other resources for the more complex contructions. A quick You Tube search will turn up quite a few in-depth discussions. I find https://www.youtube.com/user/languagenow Professor Jason's video channel quite useful but there are many others. A good grammar book also helps.

3 years ago