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Strength Bar Lessons

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Our goal is to find the best way to teach languages. One of the key initiatives we're working on is to make our lessons adapt to you. Already, the Duolingo practice sessions use everything we know about your language abilities -- what concepts you know, how well you know them, etc. -- to generate exercises that help you refresh what you've learned so far. Going forward, we want to make the lessons themselves more adaptive to each user: from choosing examples that introduce new words while letting you practice old concepts you haven't mastered, to rearranging the tree to suit your learning goals.

As a first step toward this vision, we've been testing out a new game mechanic for lessons, and today we're starting to test it with 50% of our entire user base. In this new format, the goal of a lesson is to fill up a strength bar. When you answer exercises correctly, the strength goes up, and when you get them wrong, the strength goes down. There are no more hearts, and there is no need to redo entire lessons when you've lost all your hearts. Instead, if you are comfortable with the material in a lesson, you'll be able to breeze through it, and when you don't know it as well, you'll have to do more exercises until you master the concepts in the lesson.

As part of this test, we're trying out two visual designs for the strength bar. One is a simple green bar similar to the one used in the placement test:

The other is a larger, centered bar that includes the skill icon:

So far, the test shows that new users are more engaged with this format, so we're hopeful it will also be a success with existing users. If it does succeed, this new lesson format will pave the way for a more adaptive Duolingo experience, so I'm very excited.

As usual, we'd love to hear what you think!

P.S. Since this experiment replaces the heart system, we've automatically refunded anybody who purchased a heart refill through the store. : )

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Luis, I have to express a big THANK YOU! that you introduced this new test with this post. A lot of people were angry, sad or mad about you in the past because there was almost no communication between you, your team and the fast growing community, but you changed that and a lot of people will greatly appreciate that! Thanks once more for all your hard work!

Being in the test group (blue bar), I have a few recommendations. Please consider them seriously:

  • Please bring back the extra EP. Now everyone just receives 10 XP instead of 13 XP after every question was answered correctly. Earning 13 XP is much more motivating! Furthermore, it now takes much more time to level-up.
  • Please bring back the one lingot as an incentive. This was much more motivating!
  • If you answer one question wrongly, you should miss two points instead of one. This will cause some frustration at first, but you will be more motivated to answer everything correctly because you want to accomplish the lesson fast. And it's obvious that you're going to memorize words even better!
  • As a default, you should answer 20 questions instead of 17. This will increase the learning effect and help to memorize words better.
  • If you answer some (e.g. long or tough) questions wrongly, you can sometimes fullfil the whole lesson with easier sentences. Why don't you create a system that repeats the sentences you failed until the end of the lesson? This would help memorizing the tough vocabulary much more and this will lead to more satisfaction in general.

To put it into a nutshell, this new feature is highly recommended and a great improvement, but it could be much better. You should consider this: If you take away the gamification aspect, you have to do a bit of extra motivation. Why don't you combine the strength of both the former and the new system?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/susanstory
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Yes, I'm in the test group too and I answered all the questions correctly and didn't get a lingot either. I like not losing hearts but I liked earning a lingot.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pratyush.
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Yup, I am newcomer here and I don't have much lingots with me. I love the new grading system which definitely awesome and it's like my prayers got answered because many time this 'Heart' thingy frustated me to leave execerices. But no awarded lingots for all correct answers a thing for me to worry about. How can I earn enough lingots to buy bonus skill ? Other methods for earning are pretty limited. :(

Edit: I forget to mention one thing. I cannot even afford luxuries like Formal Attire and Golden silk suit for my owl. :'(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nimbus77
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Soon you can. :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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A totally valid point. If you complete a whole skill, you'll still receive 2 lingots as before (I did it just five minutes ago).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/defiantoli

Thank god for that. I don't know what I would do if i didn't hear those dings at the end of the lesson. I'm like one of Pavalov's dogs.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Donna_Diana

I agree. It was motivating to get the bonus lingot when you did get through the lesson without mistakes. Even if it didn't happen often, it was something to strive for, and very rewarding! I would like to see something similar implemented if the bar system continues.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

phew I'm not the only one!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mbalavi
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Just to beat a dead horse here, I miss the lingot bonus too. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LewisH65
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I think it could easily be added back in -- 13xp and a lingot for no mistakes in a lesson, 12xp for 1 mistake, 11xp for 2 mistakes, and 10xp for 3+ mistakes.

I think that way we could have the best of both worlds in terms of how engaging DL is for users. It's nice not to be punished and discouraged for making mistakes, but it now feels like there's less reason to avoid them as well.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andygravity

I agree with this. I am not in the test group, so I'm not entirely sure how it looks and acts, but perhaps the lingots could be displayed at the top of the screen, taking the place of the hearts now. If you miss a question, the lingot could drop away, effectively acting as it does in the current version (3 lingots for a perfect score, 2 for one missed, etc.).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WesToleman

Test user here. Bonuses in the places of hearts would be nice. So the top bar could be +1 +2 +3 (image of lingot) and then they could grey out with incorrect answers.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EMGould

One suggestion could be to give bonus points/lingots for answering all the questions correctly even with the bar format.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bodhisattvah

I agree! I was really bummed when I answered a practice perfectly and received no lingots.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/antiderivative

Me, too. I liked practicing a bit before moving on to new material, but now I have no motivation at all to do so. I have to keep moving along the lessons just to get the two. I am not good enough to translate documents, yet. (Edited: I just tried translating again and was successful this time because some easy phrases were available!)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Panda7090
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I do miss getting that rich, red lingot at the end of each lesson... I feel as though that would be a great feature to add back.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JoaneMildred

Please can we have the red lingots back. I look forward to learning because of the lingots and also for the points. Now even if I make a mistake, it give me the full points. Am not motivated to learn...... :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/justinflippy
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I hate to be a pessimist, but what is the point of lingots now. I've been in Duolingo for about 2 years, and after a short time, there is very little left to buy with lingots besides heart refills. My guy has every outfit I can buy, I've purchased all the 'extra lessons', I have a streak freeze I pretty well never use b/c I do one lesson per day with breakfast. Besides double or nothing, which results in more lingots not fewer, I have no use for them. I suppose I could give them away, but what would that accomplish besides putting someone else in my position.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kkerry
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I too care about the bonus lingot for a perfect lesson!!!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sofa4ka
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I agree about receiving a lingot for zero mistakes. That's what motivates me. I often stop a lesson after one mistake, hit the back button and then return to complete the same lesson without mistakes and get a lingot!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MacIomhair
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I quite like the new system, but I agree with all the recommendations MultiLinguAlex makes above. I'd also add one suggestion I'd been meaning to make for a while - on the final screen with "review" and "continue" - please add "redo" - I try each lesson until I can get through it with no errors, so even if it's good enough to get the points, I still often like to try again.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phobic
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I suspect that lingots will be addressed later. The progress bar is a major change in the way lessons play out, and maybe they decided not to just slap pieces of the old reward system onto the end of something so different. If the progress bar fails in testing (Heaven forfend!), then the entire thing will be a moot point anyway.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/S2Lang
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I agree. IMHO this new system is better cause before we had to start all over when we lost the hearts and in my case I'd sometimes give up for the day because of that. But the lost of the lingot reward at the end when we get everything right on the first try kinda annoys me, because the lingot at the end would motivate me to pay attention and do the exercises right from beginning to end, now I feel like: meh :/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gavier
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I'm in the blue bar test group and YES! I think this is a great improvement. The frustration of losing a whole lesson for 1 badly timed typo or a contentious question was galling. This is a much better system.

I also agree with all of MultiLinguAlex's points above.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Skapata
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"Repeat the sentences you failed": I like this idea. I think all sentences you failed should reappear after you answered the lesson's 20 questions. This is very important for people to learn by their mistakes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melarish
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Agree. It's gotten a little too easy now. Combined with the idea of two new questions for a failed one, it should give you the same one you got wrong, and a new one. Previously, failing lessons really made you master it before you could pass.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

Can lingots be earned by translating, or only XP?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Since I climb up the French for German speakers tree that is currently in Beta (and thus has no immersion yet!), I cannot answer you. Please find some translators in the immersion section of Spanish and ask them =)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alex_tv80
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I like the idea of losing 2 point for a wrong answer

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/apowerjones

I agree with every single one of these improvements!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jshaffer47

Alex nailed it! ^^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lavinae
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I think that's a great idea, Luis!

Being able to continue practicing the same material until you actually reach the right amount of strength seems less disruptive than having to restart the lesson each time you lose three hearts. I'm no expert in language acquisition or learning, but it seems that repeating concepts as often as necessary, for a significant amount of time, within one exercise, may be a great idea for really getting those words and concepts down. That seems to work for me, anyways. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexisLinguist
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Same here Lavinae. This sounds like heaven has finally answered our prayers. Everyone in Group A needs to ramp up their learning so this thing can beat the A/B test. I want it, please. ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pobrecito13

Well, if they are judging it by points earned, then I am doing less now than before the test started. I have done four perfect lessons, earning 40 points, since yesterday, when previously I would have earned 52 points. I like the idea of not having to redo lessons for making too many mistakes, but really feel penalized for doing a good job. Unless they bring back some kind of incentive for a perfect lesson, I don't like it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Always good that new things are being tested.

However, I have some doubt/questions:

First, some (the majority maybe?) may prefer not to be forced to restart a lesson, some other (like me) prefer to be (coldly) said that they don't know enough and asked to come back (later).

Secondly, since a wrong answer makes you lost the same amount of the progress bar as a good answer makes you gain (I have been told so by Duo staff, if wrong please correct me ;)) then :

  1. to pass a lesson is far easier (in term of required level of knowledge) than before.
    Indeed you now only need to be able to answer correctly to little more than 50% of the exercises in order to validate (it can be very long --- see below --- but you'll finally pass it without being better than 50%+) when in the last system you needed at least 17 good answers over 20, so 85% of correct answers.
  2. [less important since user can quit the lesson] With the heart system, a lesson never last more than 20 exercises when, with the new system, it can potentially last for ages if the user answer in average around 50% correctly.

I personally would test with (good_answer= +1 \& wrong_answer= -2) or (good_answer= +1 \& wrong_answer= -3) or similar, and calibrating the required total to pass the lesson so that with 17 correct answers over 20 you validate the lesson as within the hearts system.

So in average, users will probably like it more (and it'll be statistically seen on how much they come back often for example) since they'll validate more easily (=with knowing less in average) but does it means they'll know more at the end since they'll be asked to know just more than 50% all tree long? I'm curious to know what the A/B tests will show and, moreover, what they would show for intermediary setups with the new setup but with 3:1 or 2:1 ratios).

Last question: if we answer only wrongly, do the progress bar go to negative values ? ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kernco
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Since the lesson will keep repeating the same material until it's completed, then hopefully most users would eventually learn the things being taught and be able to complete it. I think it would be very rare for someone to be stuck in a lesson for a long time.

I'm with you that I have no problem failing a lesson. But I think this is an overall improvement for the strengthen skills lessons particularly. I don't like failing those, not because I don't like to fail in general, but because it means that I will be re-tested on things that I know perfectly and got correct in addition to those things I didn't know that caused me to fail. With the current hearts system, it feels like a lot of wasted time redoing things I'm very comfortable with so that I can learn the other things that I don't.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Indeed, that's one point that is avoiding the thing to last too long. But it doesn't imply that the user will necessarily know far more than 50% at the time he'll finally pass the lesson. ;)

Yes, as suggested by YuMoises, having one (hears) for new lessons and the other (new system) for refresh lesson could be great. Well, I think it's worth being statistically tested by Duo.

"With the current hearts system, it feels like a lot of wasted time redoing things I'm very comfortable with so that I can learn the other things that I don't."
I don't follow why it's better with the new system? The exercises, the system asks you, are supposed to be the ones with vocabulary, grammar, (other things?) than you know the less within the lesson, no?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kernco
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"The exercises, the system asks you, are supposed to be the ones with vocabulary, grammar, (other things?) than you know the less within the lesson, no?"

If you're going into a single section on the tree and doing the "Strengthen skill" button there, yes. But I usually do the Strengthen Skills button that's on the sidebar and pulls material from anywhere in the tree. In those sessions, I often find it gives me quite a few translations that I don't even have to think about. I just type it in, get it right, and move on. But then if I fail the session and retry, I'll get those same translations that I know very well and have to type them in again. I feel like if you get it right, it shouldn't give them to you again when you retry it, and instead switch it with other things that you need to review. That's the ideal solution, I think.

This new system isn't the ideal solution, but I think it will at least reduce the number of failed sessions. Hopefully the way it works is that it will keep repeating the ones you're getting wrong until you either fail or complete it, and not repeat the ones you get right. That way, you keep reviewing and practicing what you need to learn and don't waste time with what you already know.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Clearly, the system (with heats or the new counting system) shouldn't give you the same exercises after failing (in "pulls material from anywhere in the tree" version).

It's clearly a glitch in the selection of displayed exercises.

Yes, but I would say that the algorithm that decides which exercises to display is independent of the one deciding when (based on correct/wrong answers) it's considered you merit to pass the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/R4_Online
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Maybe perhaps if you are repeatedly stuck in the lesson it'll eventually tell you to take a break? Like a popup or something?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Could be but popup are not liked by users so Duo doesn't use it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/R4_Online
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Well, I mean if it takes you to an entirely new screen with big words saying "TAKE A BREAK" and you're like a couple right answers away from completing the lesson it's going to be as annoying as having no hearts and failing on the last question.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomHilton1
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Try looking at it another way: under the old system, if it takes you (say) 10 tries to get through a lesson, if you look at the aggregate correct/wrong ratio over all those tries your percentage could actually be below 50%.

What the new system does isn't really that different, except that your multiple attempts aren't separated out. And under the new system, it's mathematically impossible to pass with 50% correct.

That aside, you're focused on the percentage necessary to 'pass', as if 'passing' were the point. But really, the point is drilling. (Hence the strength bars.) If it takes you 50 questions to 'pass', you aren't learning less than if it takes you only 18 (or whatever the minimum number is).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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["under the old system"] Yes, but you had progressed between each session (for sure). Indeed, if you validated after X attempts on the lesson, it's that you had less than 85% of correct answers at each try before passing then had once 85% or more. So you progessed, well "did better the last try".
And in the case "your percentage could actually be below 50%.": then you would have progressed even more! Since it means you had in overall less than 50% but more than it one the last 20 consecutive questions.. what a progress! ;)

"And under the new system, it's mathematically impossible to pass with 50% correct."
All the contrary. With strictly more than 50%, you'll mathematically pass any lessons (under the condition you give it enough (potentially a LOT) time, of course).

"That aside, you're focused on the percentage necessary to 'pass', as if 'passing' were the point. But really, the point is drilling. (Hence the strength bars.) If it takes you 50 questions to 'pass', you aren't learning less than if it takes you only 18 (or whatever the minimum number is)."
I disagree. If, you can statistically answer 85% of any set of 20 exercises then, strengthening enough times, the system will lead you to knowing how to answer (which is considered here as "knowing the things taught in the given skill) of 85% of all the sentences of any skill. On the other side, the other system will not bring you there.
Not saying you can't reach 85% of "knowledge" for each skill (or more, as in the old system) but that the system requiring only 50%+ to validate (again, if you give it enough time on each try), then it's not pushing you at the same level.

Of course it's balanced with the fact that some will be less discouraged with the new system and, so, will come more and so progress more.
I'm just saying that testing to set up the new system with an average requirement of 66% (so ratio 2/1 for the points taken/given) or 75% (so ratio 3/1) could lead to good surprise for the learning process IMO.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomHilton1
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Shorter response: the difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is none. ;-)

Slightly longer response: your objections are essentially theoretical, based on highly improbable hypotheticals, and thus not particularly serious.

Longer response: For example, you make the point that the old system enforced 'progress' by imposing an 85% bar to 'passing', and argue that in theory one could pass under the new system without progressing. But in practice, repeated drilling that results in 'passing' will, in fact, result in learning progress. So there's no practical difference there.

You also pose a hypothetical situation in which someone passes with slightly more than 50% (not 50%, because passing with exactly 50% is, as I noted, mathematically impossible). But seriously? Not gonna happen. Nobody is going to stick with one lesson through 100 or 500 or 1000 exercises--not unless they're incredibly obsessive and trying to prove a point. (Which, now that I think of it, is most people on the internet...so maybe not so improbable. Joking.)

I'll just add that what they've tried to do, under the old system as well as the new, is strike a balance: standards for 'advancement' have to be rigorous enough to entail real learning, but not so strict that frustration drives people away. IMO, a 2:1 or 3:1 negative-to-positive ratio would tip that balance in the wrong direction.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/supainanoko
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But if you lose the same amount for a wrong answer as you gain for a right one, you need to have more right answers than wrong by a given amount (it looks to me to be about 20 questions, but that's just an estimate). It is not possible to pass with 50% unless you drag the lesson on for so long that the 20-ish questions you have to make is a very tiny percent of the total.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Well indeed if "you drag the lesson on for so long that the 20-ish questions you have to make is a very tiny percent of the total" you could even pass (thx to an easy "20 in a row" which are each time more chance to happen as long as you try more and more exercises) pass even with less than 50%.

But I was saying 50%+ (for example, 51% or 50.1%, ...), not 50% exactly. ANd in this case you'll statistically pass any lesson if you you drag the lesson long enough (but without needing at all an easy 20-in a row this time). See "4. bis" in my second answer to zfungcello.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nawick
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Short answer: If you take into account the failed questions in the beginning of a progress bar session, you have to count in previous failed sessions in the heart-based version as well. Thus, the percentages are not that far apart.


Long answer:

Preface: I - sadly - am not part of the group this feature is being tested on so any statement made on its functioning is merely based on the above post and its answers.

@jrikhal: I have read all posts your both above and below this answer. I think that you might have a flaw in your reasoning.

You say that in the progress bar version you can pass although you have answered many questions wrong and then have a series of 20 to 25 questions (depending on your mistakes) of which you answer 20 right.

Well, it is almost the same in the hearts based version: If you don't know your stuff, you might fail an unlimited number of lessons. Only if you answer 17 out of 20 consecutive questions correctly, you pass.

My point: If you count in the "history" in one scenario, you have to take it into account in the other one as well. In both versions, you can have hundreds of questions wrong before being successful.

So, the exact percentage might differ slightly (20/25 or 17/20 or whatever) if you only take the last so-many questions that result in passing a lesson. But that ist fine tuning and has nothing to do with your reasoning.

Postface: I am very much in favour of this new concept. So much so that, as I am part of the control group, I even think about actively reducing my amount of time I spend on this site. But on the one hand that would not help me learning languages. And on the other hand this kind of conscious change of behaviour would render the A/B-testing useless and is probably the reason why the Duo-team has previously not shared which tests they are currently conducting.

One last remark: Any corrections on my English will be much appreciated, although the stream might be a better place for this than this discussion thread.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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@nawick: Indeed, my first paragraph about the possibility to pass with less than an average of correct answer below 50% apply to both system. In both: luck can save you.


But this wasn't my main point (of my other comments). And the fact that if your level is that you answer 50%+ correctly (let say 60% for the the examples) will automatically leads you to pass (if you give it enough exercises) only a to the new system.

If your level is so that you answer in AVG 60%, then in the long run you'll have a +2 every 10 exercises. So, in the long run you're fill the strength bar and will at a point fill it entirely (again if you give it enough time).

On the other hand, since you can't "give it enough time" in one session in the old version (after 20 exercises, it ends), then you can accumulate a little positive progress in the long run.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Markmcopc
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What I know is that I am absolutely sick and tired of practicing a mountain of easy things 2 or three or four times, so that I can get to the handful of things that cause me to fail

I want to work on the errors I make, until I get those problems corrected. I don't want to work on things that don't require work.

I've been yanked from the test group. But I saw enough to see that the progress bar is an improvement over hearts. If it becomes even more adaptive, so that it lessens the amount of English practice I am doing, as I need it less, and if it accordingly increases the amount of (e.g.) French practice, then that would be exactly what I've been waiting for. In the end I want all of my translation to be out of English into French.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GregHullender
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Oh my. I never knew anyone who got kicked out of the test group before. :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EMGould

Mine changed... I used to have the green one, now I have the blue one!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zfungcello
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The questions you posed are very interesting. After reading this, I tested out a few of your concerns (I am in the test group), and I believe that the system would still be very effective. First, your concern about the mathematical necessity to pass the lesson is, I believe, slightly incorrect. This is due to the fact that, fortunately or unfortunately, the loss for a particular wrong answer can be the equivalent of two correct answers. Say that a user got the first four questions correct and then began to alternate wrong/right/wrong/right; they would never finish the lesson, but rather get stuck in the middle of the bar. In fact, they might even regress a little if the question is a "select word" question. I think you would at least have to be getting a 4:1 (four right, then one wrong) ratio of right:wrong to pass the lesson. Second, to answer your last question, getting questions wrong forever simply leads to more and more questions, for there is no negative bar. I'll check it again, but I believe that the algorithms would still require the user to have a strong grasp of the material.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Thanks for the answer.

"the loss for a particular wrong answer can be the equivalent of two correct answers."
I'm not following you? If you loose the same fraction of the bar with 1 one question than the fraction of the bar you gain for a worrect question then 1 wrong answer (even a particular one... ?) will be equivalent to one correct one.

"Say that a user got the first four questions correct and then began to alternate wrong/right/wrong/right; they would never finish the lesson, but rather get stuck in the middle of the bar."
Yes, that's exactly the problem (IMO) I was reffering too in me "Secondly.2.". ;)

"In fact, they might even regress a little if the question is a "select word" question."
Why only for those questions? The fraction of progress bar gained or lose for those exercises is not the same than for other ones?

"I think you would at least have to be getting a 4:1 (four right, then one wrong) ratio of right:wrong to pass the lesson."
Not at all (again if you gain the same with a correct than you lost with a wrong one). Imagine, in average, you have 51 correct answers for 49 wrong (over 100 questions). Then, in average, every 100 exercises, you'll gain 2. So, statistically, if you do enough exercises you'll end up with as many points as you need. And it's even more easier since you can't go in negative values.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/artofcheatery

I believe it requires 20 correct answers for a perfect. If you get one wrong, you have to replace that incorrect with a correct. Yes,I got stuck in the middle and passed a lesson with 46 questions - I got 13 wrong and 33 correct. My mistakes caused me to receive more questions and get more practice.

It's not like the old version ever 'coldly' told you to go study more - doing the lessons and practices is how this program teaches. You aren't expected to get one hundred percent every time.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Thx for the answer. Mmm... so it seems for you a correct answer is worth the same as an incorrect one (seems different for zfungcello).

;) I used "coldly" because it seems a lot of people don't like it and find it frustrating and demotivating. Personally I like the old version. ;)
But, I just said it was saying to you that "you don't know enough" [in order to pass the lesson) and to "come back later". The "come back later" (which can be immediately) part is indeed exactly "doing the lessons and practices" again i.e. "to study more (with Duo)" in the Duo's language/conception

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zfungcello
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  1. I did Spanish Basics 1 to test out my observation, and I believed that this is due to Duolingo's importance rating of different questions. For instance, if I get two "hard questions" (definition depends on the situation, but usually a translation is a hard question) right in a row, and then mess up an easy question (such as a "select word" questions for the gender of a noun), Duolingo may take away all the credit I earned for the two previous correct questions. This is an argument for the hypothesis that a 50 percent may only be barely enough in specific situations to even keep one afloat, so to speak. This also implies that not all answers are necessarily equal. I apologize for my lack of clarity in the previous post.
  2. Sorry for the misunderstanding here. I trying to address what I thought was your larger point about the potential lack of effective instruction of the material in the beta methods, rather than this problem of getting stuck in a loop, which you had already pointed out.
  3. As I explained in number 1., the "select word" problems are worth little for correct answers and a lot for wrong, especially if one demonstrated more advanced skills previously. In a Spanish lesson, I came across four or five of these questions in a row, applying the right/wrong alternation strategy to test the math, and I regressed.
  4. Based on my observations, I am still skeptical of this claim. I am willing to admit that one will eventually be able to pass with perhaps a 2:1 right:wrong ratio, but, due to my observations in number 3., I do not believe that a 51:49 would be sufficient. For instance, if you get the first two questions right in a lesson, and then the third wrong, you will go back to zero, regardless of the mathematical difficulty of the questions. It also takes fewer wrong answers to regress in the bar than it does to progress in the bar. An example: it took me 13 correct answers to get within 1 question of completing a lesson, but only 9 wrong answers to get back to 0 points. This provides evidence against your fundamental assumption "if you gain the same with a correct than you lost with a wrong one".
3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Great feedbacks/infos (even more for someone like me that haven't any of the two new bars)...

  1. Ok, so different types of exercises seems to have different earning points.
    Question: for one given type of exercise, do you earn the same amount of points if you do it correctly than you lose if you fail?
    If so, then the 50% thing doesn't not so obviously fail. ;)
  2. Ok, it seems to answer my question. ;)
  3. Indeed the assumption (I had the "info" by a Duo staff member) "if you gain the same with a correct than you lost with a wrong one". is wrong if all exercises aren't worth the same and that, for a given exercise, you don't earn the same for correct than you lose for wrong.
    Then with no more info about the percentage of each type of exercises, the exact fraction of progress bar earned/lost with correct/incorrect answer, we can't answer the average % of knowledge needed with the new system.
    We need more info from Duo. ;)
  4. (bis) "51:49 would be sufficient. For instance, if you get the first two questions right in a lesson, and then the third wrong" but you're "2 then 1" is not a 51:49 ratio but a 66.66:33.33 ratio...
    A 51:49 ratio says that in average (among a huge number of try), you'll answer 51 good answer over 100. So in this setting (meaning, if you have 51% of correct answer in average), by the law of large numbers, after a large enough number of try you'll have almost exactly 0.51(this_huge_number) of good answers for 0.49(this_huge_number) of incorrect. So the difference (0.02*(this_huge_number)), which is the "net number of good answers" is as big as you want given that you try enough exercises. Of course and again, without "if you gain the same with a correct than you lost with a wrong one", it doesn't give the 50% thing.
3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zfungcello
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Yes, thanks for all your interesting observations and questions. Your question in this post is hard to gauge, principally because the questions often alternate between difficult-easy and pure visual cues from the bar can often be unreliable. In theory, however, I think the answer should be yes. It might be best at this point to direct our principal mathematical questions at the staff who are working on the algorithms for the new bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/harvard14

You make some great points, but this is what I think... 1. Yes, it may SEEM that a lesson is far easier then ever before. But, like Luis said, "we're trying to make lessons more personalized then ever before". If you find a lesson a breeze, then why spend the extra time on the lesson, when you could work on another lesson and learn MORE. However, I do think that they should raise up the minimum amount of lessons to about 13-14, so you can still get a good chunk of questions without spending too much time if you already get the material. 2. As Luis said, he's trying to make it more personalized, if it takes ages, then it takes ages. And, as you said before, you can exit out of the lesson. One thing I do agree with is making the "wrong answers" larger then the right answers. But, instead of 2 or 3, maybe 1.5. I would love some feedback, so I can get a better view of your opinion so we can (hopefully) add some valuable ideas to Duolingo. Cheers.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Thx for your ideas and points.

  1. As said, I understand "easier" here not about the time spent but about "how well" you need to master the concepts/rules/grammar/vocabulary/etc.
    And in both old and new systems, if you know very well the skill then you'll pass the lessons within 20 answers, so no gain of time in this case with the new system.
  2. "they should raise up the minimum amount of lessons to about 13-14"
    It could have this good effect but on the other end, when trying to progress down in the tree, I guess some users will be discouraged if they need 13-14 (often times 2 or 3 skills per row) in order to unlock new skills. [not speaking about when you completed the tree of course]. It's the reason why Duo keep this number lower.
  3. About the ratio: 3, 2, 1.5, 5, 10 ;) ... A/B tests would tell what's statistically the best. That's what I'm suggesting. ;)
3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asperganoid
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you can't be wrong indefinitely. the questions you failed come back, and you don't even need to hover the words because you remember them.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/altosaxophonie

THANK YOU OH GREAT LORD. TOO MANY TIMES NOW HAVE I RAGEQUIT FROM DUOLINGO BECAUSE OF THE HEART SYSTEM. YOU ARE WONDERFUL

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brekebeen
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thank you for the great opportunity to learn Spanish. Till today and so far it really motivated me to work hard. But now I am in the testgroup and only receive the strengthbar at the end and no more extra points or a lingot ( it is like a diamond for me ;-) ) when I finished my lesson without using the hearts, I miss the extra motivation to pay attention to achieve a lingot or extra points! So can I please get out of the testgroup and bring me back to my hearts/lingots........ I've never been asked or asked myself for a new system and I don't want to be in a testlab.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YuMoises
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For new lessons, I prefer the old system (hearts). To refresh lesson (without timer) I'd choose the new one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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I'd like to see this version A/B tested!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/remoonline
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My thoughts exactly.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nannaibear

I have the new system with the old type bar. Less frustrating yes, but Im not sure the motivation is quite the same. I hated losing a heart and it made me less slapdash. It was an incentive to finish with full hearts. Now i will finish eventually and feel a bit cheated to finish with no error and no corresponding pat on the back. Is it possible to get an extra couple of points or a lingot for a perfect lesson? It doesnt matter that it is a worthless currency, for me the reward system works. I have to say I have really really enjoyed Duo Lingo (been obsessive even!) and I have tried at least a dozen, if not more, other courses many thanks :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lemelisk

so, no more lingots from a perfect lesson? that's a bit dissapointing.... (yes, i know that they are useless, but i like collecting them)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Same here, but if you complete a whole skill, you'll still receive your two lingots. Not receiving one lingot is a disappointment for me as well.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GaryGrayMusic

I agree. Getting a lingot for a perfect lesson added some fun to the game. I was disappointed to learn. They did away with that feature. I hope they rethink that option. Plus not getting extra pointing, 13, for a perfect lesson was disappointing as well.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Selket62
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You are right. And I like the Lingots for the bonus functions

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rolosrevenge
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And no more bonus XP either, leveling up will now take up to 30% longer...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sojinjung
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Part of the test group! (Centered bar) During the heart system, I was always checking words even if i knew them - which was actually hurting my long-term memory. I've noticed that for something to stick in your mind, you need that active recall process happeneing (i.e. you won't memorize by reading something 15 times, but by reading it, trying to recall, reading it again, trying to recall more, etc. - at least for me). So for me, this system works better and I don't feel so paranoid about making mistakes.

In contrast, as for the centered bar, I guess they're still working out knicks, because my icon always shows the broken-egg rather than the actual skill's icon, although the color is matching fine. The number shown next to the egg confused me though. I think I would prefer it without a number there. Or maybe just a countdown to the number of correct responses? The current way it just counts up total responses (wrong or right).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

Right! Exactly! I, too, would always check and thought about the same thing -- it was hurting my ability to recall! This new way I can already tell that I'm not checking as much and I'm more likely to try to recall it! And recall is just like a muscle -- you've got to use it or you'll lose it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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A number is totally fine with me. It's a good question whether they should rather implement a countdown, though, because if you have five wrong sentences, you'll need to translate 27 sentences in total and that is quite a lot if you ask me. Thus, a countdown might be a great idea, but I obviously don't know what other people will think concerning this question.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EofW
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I don't think a countdown's appropriate. The bar acts like a countdown - you can see how far you've still got to go. The number is counting how many questions you've done. If it switches to a countdown, you've twice got the information of how far to go and nowhere got the information of how far you've been to get to where you are.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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You're right. After reading this, I'd also stick to the bar like it is now. =)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sojinjung
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I see your point. I guess I just would prefer the bar without a number then, personally.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/banburybill

This evening I found I'm in the test group, simple green bar subgroup.

After some lessons and practice, I'm a fan. Going back to the Android app and its hearts is going to be a real wrench. The new system fixes my main problem with DL. I'm not much motivated by lingots - buying hearts seems like cheating - so crashing out of sessions, especially near the end, double specially when down to a careless mistype, or (worse) phone keyboard autocorrection or DL rejecting UK English, was punishment without significant reward.

The upshot was DL was starting to remind me of my school French experience (1974 O level, for UK old-timers). For a flavour of this, check out the scene in Life of Brian where Brian has his Latin corrected at gladius point by John Cleese's centurion. I had many Latin lessons just like that - minus the cutlery, just with the same threat level.

With DL starting to feel like the punishment/reward system was all downside, the most important thing was At All Costs Don't Make A Mistake. Don't use your memory, but check the word translations, and as much else as you can. I've never managed to learn any language to a useful degree, and know that especially with French I am terrified, incoherent and tongue-tied when actually in France, because I'm sure I will make a mistake. I suspect that, in reality, if you want to learn to speak a language, you have to take the plunge, try, and make a bucketload of mistakes all over the place. With the new system I am far more relaxed about making mistakes, because they're not going to chuck me back the beginning of a lesson, and so I'm not checking nearly as much.

TL;DR: Bravo! Thanks for the change.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/prosto_max

Thanks for your great story!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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That French teacher must be a great traveler because I had her in HS in NY. The last language I'll try on Duo will be French. I'll finish hoch Klingon and still not go near French. I loved your so wise statement re no longer using other aids to do the sentences. Guessing is a highly prized skill in language learning and now we can "afford to go out on a limb."

3 years ago

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I fear change. You probably don't remember me from the Great Half-Heart Removal Drama of... whenever that happened. A year ago? I was quite vocally opposed to the change.

So far I like this change, though. I'm in the blue bar test group. I think the bar looks great.

I feel like this change addresses the problems that the half-hearts sort of mitigated. I've got anxiety and a learning disability. I'm a lot less nervous about making mistakes with the bar, which is a wonderful thing. I still don't enjoy making a mistake, of course. I just don't feel as much tension.

Sometimes I have a bad day. My mind feels fuzzy, and I make more silly mistakes and have memory lapses. The three hearts could be brutal, and deciding whether to use a refill was actually kind of draining. I haven't had a chance to try the bar on a bad day yet. My guess is that it will be an improvement. A potentially longer lesson sounds less discouraging than three (or possibly four) strikes.

I'd rather feel like I'm working towards a goal than trying to avoid imperfection. I'm glad that I get to spend more time on something when I need it without repeatedly seeing Duo looking tragic because I failed.

I really like the idea that failure is what happens when you give up, not what happens when you make mistakes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MsLagerkvist2
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I agree !00% with Phobic. I stopped using Duolingo for three months after the Great Half-Heart Removal Drama. When I came back, I dropped Spanish and concentrated on German, because without the extra half-hearts I was not able to finish lessons. With this new system, I am simply learning and that is all. Phobic expresses all this perfectly.

The bar keeps changing color and there are all other sorts of graphic changes as the staff experiments. I don't care about all that. "I'd rather feel like I'm working towards a goal than trying to avoid imperfection."

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jack.Elliot
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it sounds like fun

congratulation

on the development ................................................................................................................................................................................................................ and the developers

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Penderuxxekrieg

Will Lingots be replaced?

3 years ago

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I would like to know the answer to this as well. How do we earn lingots from no on or are they going to be replaced?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kernco
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You still earn lingots from streaks, moving up levels, and completing a section on the tree.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaulCip

I liked earning lingots from perfect scores. I also liked the bonus XP from unused hearts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/R4_Online
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How about filling the progress bar with no wrong answers awards a lingot?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

Yes i agree with this. I have no motivation to get a perfect score now, and getting a lingot was a good motivator. I hope they put it back.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kernco
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Fair enough. I was just answering My-a's question about how lingots are earned from now on. It sounded like he/she thought there were no other ways to get them.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/My-a
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Oh yeah I kinda assumed that was the case, but personally I kept practicing each lesson till I got my perfect score and got a lingot. I guess getting rewarded after a perfect score keeps me motivated and makes me try harder, so it's sad if they choose to get rid of "the perfect score lingots" completely. I liked how someone suggested you'll get a lingot if you answer all questions right without errors, just about the same way than with hearts :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wonderboy6
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and useful comments ;) immersion also counts too

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GaryGrayMusic

If they are. I will be pissed. I have 1,147.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

Daaaaaaang. I guess that's what happens with a 400 day streak! (congrats, btw!) I have 65. LOL!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wonderboy6
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lol i was part of the broke immersion test group where you'd get a lingot for every upvote lol, tbh i wouldn't really mind if they all disappeared there somewhat obsolete anyway...had to get that word in there ;P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mercutio

@luis I think this is a definate improvement on the way lessons are taught and removes on of my annoyances, which was that you may "lose" the lesson by losing all hearts and have to start all over again to get back to where you were, (which may have included typing out loads of things you knew really easily) so it wasnt drilling you on the stuff you really needed, aka the stuff you got wrong.

One suggestion, this new format is cool for lessons but for practice, my annoyance with the heart system was during practice, imagine you get all answers right EASILY and then fail the last three, then you have "lost" the practice session so to speak, with this new incarnation imagine you have 5 mins free and want to do a quick strengthen, I wonder if it allows you to stop before you hit the "goal" i.e the end of the bar but the stuff you have strengthened already is still strengthened? So basically if every correct answer strenghens something that would be a great system it would mean you could drop in and drop out all day when you have a few minutes rather than being ties to try "win" a practice session

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amor.fati
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This is a great idea! I really wish this would be adapted. Since I have Duolingo on my phone, I often do a few lessons from time to time wherever I am. It would be great if I could just leave a lesson if something else needed my attention.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ZM321

when you say the bar includes the skill icon, does that mean the icon of the tree skill you are practicing? for me it always shows up as the cracked egg

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bchan
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We're looking into this now - thanks!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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I can confirm this error. Thanks for looking into this one!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erdnaoluap
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To me it shows the icon of the lesson i'm in. I'm writing this ten hours after the post of "bchan" and "MultiLinguAlex".

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheHansn

The new system is great. Just one point to criticize: When you fail certain answers, they consequently don't show up in higher frequency but you will finish your lesson with random questions that you may already have answered correctly two or three times. I think it would be good to somehow prime the system a way it gives you more questions you actually struggle with. Not sure if I was able to make my point with this description?!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sarah.er
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Agreed. Right now questions I've already answered correctly reappear later on in the lesson. It would be great if longer lessons could present me with more new content or content I struggled with earlier. As it is now I can spuriously pass a lesson I haven't really grokked by re-answering the stuff I got right when it comes up and never see the stuff I got wrong again.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/writchie4
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This sounds awesome, Luis. Doing away with the "losing your last life on the last question" tragedy is a welcome change. And the "progress bar" look seems to be a better visual indicator of the learning process than the "lives remaining" model.

Unfortunately, I can't give more feedback than that as I'm not part of the test group (an expected situation really, as I'm obviously in the special list of reject accounts that only gets to test the lame features :) Looking forward to this test succeeding and being given to all users though, it sounds/looks awesome!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

I can't count how many times I've slammed my fists down on my desk out of frustration because I failed the lesson on the very last question.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wonderboy6
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Is that on the numbers lesson? ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deguo
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Just wondering, why is it that an hour ago I had the new version, but I've now reverted to the hearts? It's a shame; I really liked the new one :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/apandelieva
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I was in the 50% but I got curious and tried to buy a heart refill. When I did that, I got switched back to the old way. From the one lesson I did with the green bar, I like the concept a lot. I think I would prefer the second bar with the achievement at the end though. It's a nice reminder of what I'm working towards, and I like the design better.

And maybe it would be nice to include a way to still earn a lingot for doing a lesson perfectly, in order to keep the rush from that reward. Lingots will not be useful to recover in the lessons anymore, but we can still buy a lot of extras with them, such as the timed practice quizzes and bonus lessons. For all I know, this could already be the way it's set up - I just made mistakes while doing my lesson so I didn't find out. Other than that, I think it's a great update to the format!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Danmoller
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Second bar is great!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nektarije
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May I disagree, please? While "heart system" had it faults, like, as somebody said "losing the last heart on the last question" or, something similar, what this "new bar" essentially didn't change is the fact that you loose your progress, or "heart" in old system, because of wrong spelling or wrong hearing even though one knows the answer. I find that far more frustrating than "losing the heart at last step". While "punishment" is needed for wrong answer, I certainly don't dispute that, I find hearts much more motivating (once you pass beginner's frustration), because they make me repeat a lesson over and over again: getting a lingot or maximum experience point.

I see people here are enthusiastic about this new bar, however, I would be happy if I could be given a choice to choose between new and old system. Thanks.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JudithDeacon

I agree, it would be nice to be able to choose which system to use.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EofW
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Hmm. I liked it at first, but when I got to the end of the lesson and realised no more bonus XP and no more lingot for a perfect lesson... no thanks. Duolingo has worked brilliantly for me because of the gameification. Losing a heart was always frustrating when it was for a Duolingo error, but when it was for my own error it was a little push to work a bit harder. Building my XP, building my lingot hoard, maintaining my streak, that's what drives me. (Needing to learn the language to communicate with my in-laws at my wedding didn't motivate me, but my score in a game does!)

So losing the ability to earn lingots and the bonus XP for finishing a lesson well... that's half the game gone. There's no reward for being good any more. (Yes there's still the 2 lingots for completing a skill entirely, but I don't have that many skills left to earn - at one lesson a day, I'll have exhausted German in a couple of months. So for me Duo is largely about revising and strengthening my skills.)

Under the old system, around 90% of the time I would finish with full hearts, get 3 bonus XP and a lingot. In 11 months of daily use, I have never failed a lesson utterly (although I did once lose all three hearts). So under the new system I don't think I'll see any actual benefit, as most days I'll answer 10.5% fewer questions (17 vs 20) and not even get any bonus for having finished well.

Maybe it should be optional. There are clearly a lot of people whom this is going to suit, but there will surely be others of us whose learning style goes against this.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wilde_at_heart

My thoughts exactly! Good to know that I'm not the only one not happy with this change. The gameification was the whole bloody point, right? The award-loss system is what has kept me motivated. I also agree it should be optional, that would be great.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nektarije
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Mine too. Among many other things, I immensly enjoy "gaming dimenson" on Duolingo.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wonderboy6
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Think about one you are here in the first place, if it was only to gain lingots (which are impossible to spend anyway) that might be the main problem

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cyndiluwho

I have mixed feelings about the lingot, but I want every XP credit that I can get. I just did a timed practice and learned that you still get XPs for every right answer in the allotted time so I'm good with not getting a lingot at the end since Duo didn't give them for timed practices even before the change. I do understand the feeling of getting the lingot at the end of the untimed practice as well...so as I began, mixed feelings on the lingot issue.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aidsy

I like this change, much less frustrating. However I have two comments:

1) It seems much easier to get through a new skill (perhaps too easy)

2) Related, I find it will often repeat the early questions from the lesson, which lets me get through. I.e I will be struggling with the more complicated lessons, losing points on the bar, and then it will give me the simpler definitions, allowing me to finish. Perhaps have a system where, if you answer a question correctly, it won't ask it to you it again that lesson?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cyndiluwho

I agree. If you breeze through questions in a particular lesson, you shouldn't get those questions again in that lesson. I've found this frustrating about Duo.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phobic
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After doing more lessons with the blue progress bar, I noticed something. I feel like I'm not paying much attention to it, which is great.

I definitely notice that it looks cool, and I do notice and react to changes, but sort of in the back of my mind. When the bar goes down I absently think something like, "Awww." When it's nearly full, I feel sort of encouraged and pleased. I look at the bar when I finish a lesson and feel satisfied.

This is such a new feeling that I think I must have spent a lot of time looking at the hearts and fretting. I remember being very aware of how many hearts I had, and doing a lot of mental calculations about how safe I was, and if I was doing poorly, whether it was worth it to use a refill or not. I think I focused on the hearts quite a lot.

With the progress bar I suddenly feel so immersed in the lessons. It's amazing. I don't even notice time passing.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/luless
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One concern about new system: if you fail many times questions will be repeated. I noticed that questions I ansewred correctly and wrong appear at the same rate. Ergo you could pass a lesson answering only the easy ones and ignore (on purpose or not) the tough ones, assuming 67% rate of correct answers. I didn't spend a lot of time testing it, but can someone confirm this is true.

If yes my sugestion is to use better repetion system like for example:

if (any of the words correcet answer 3 (or 4 depends on words per lesson)) then that word no longer appear

this way you only repeat difficult words

if (tough words correct answers3(4) BUT strengh bar is not completed0 then easy words appear again

this allow you to actually fininsh the lesson

bottom line is that you need i.e. 3,4,3,3,4,3 correct answers to pass not 6,5,1,2,4,1 (per word learned)

I hope my 'pseudo thought code' is clear. Besides that: no hearts system is better, i like it.

EDIT: i did a little test: in 1st lesson in German course I passed using this system:

-answer correctly on questions with Mann and Junge

-answer wrong on question with Woman (dont even remember German word :) )

This should be about enough to pass assuming linear distribution of questions. During my lesson i HAD TO answer only 2 times correctly on (WOMAN) questions to pass, and about 20 times wrong. My point is that you can pass a lesson almost comletelly ignoring tough questions and not learning 1-2 words properly at all.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vvkrastev
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Thank you so much for putting this in! I haven't tried this on any of the harder lessons yet but I'm tired of holding my breath and still getting an answer wrong for the fourth time on the last question of a lesson!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WaddlesNMabel

I agree! I am a terrible speller, and I literally slap myself for misspells and hold my breath for words I don't remember how to spell. I'M SO HAPPY NOW! MY LIFE JUST GOT 15% BETTER!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pratyush.
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I agree too, spelling mistakes are really my nemesis, a demon more or less. When you learning a more than a single language, then it adds another dimention in the problem. For example, many occasion I used french 'elle' instead of 'ella' while practicing spanish. I felt like blowing up everything when I lost who lesson due to those silly mistakes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/owngrfld
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It's less stressful working through a lesson or skill strengthening exercise, but there was a sense of satisfaction from completing them without losing any hearts. Also the possibility of losing all hearts, when I've made some errors in haste, did tend to help focus me.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoverCub
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you can still complete without making a mistake and, many times, errors had to do with duolingo more than anything else. and it was frustrating to lose a lesson due to one of those.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/owngrfld
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Well actually I prefer it for lessons, but think the hearts (gamification) could be part of the skill strengthening. Perhaps it just requires a reward for no incorrect answers. It's disappeared for me now though!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimberleyAsh

I was quite shocked when I left to watch an episode of Sword Art Online, to come back and find the lesson format had changed! (For the record, I have the centered strength bar)

So far, I don't really like it, but I've only done one lesson. +I won't miss having to restart the lesson if you 'die' on the last task! -But I did just do 30 questions strengthening one skill, so if it's like that on all lessonss I'll probably find it tedious very quickly.

EDIT:: Start a new lesson. Back to hearts. Well that was fun and confusing!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dylanstafford

30 questions is not bad, if you had lost the three hearts on the last (20th) question of the old setup you would have had to do 40 questions overall. Unless you made three mistakes in the first 10 questions answered, this new system is actually beneficial for you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimberleyAsh

I don't know why, but normal lessons have always felt like less than 20 questions. Maybe it was seeing the bar decrease that made this method feel longer. I dunno, I didn't like it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoverCub
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30 questions? if you had done it without making a mistake more than 3 times (the previous requisite) it should've taken you MUCH less....Unless, you depended heavily on paying through your mistakes with lingots.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimberleyAsh

I made a lot more than 3 mistakes, but I think the fact that I wouldn't lose hearts and have to restart meant I didn't care as much or check my answers... So that didn't help!

And I can say that I don't buy heart refills. Probably why I have 570 lingots...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JudithDeacon

Having read through many of the comments in this discussion I am obviously "out of tune" with most people here! I much prefer the hearts system and in fact just backed off without completing a session because I got so frustrated trying to get to the end of the bar. With the old system if I failed on the first attempt I would often go and refresh a previous lesson just to change my mind set and then go back and have another go.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/toutousmile
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yes, and i miss the crying owl!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wilde_at_heart

You're not alone! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nektarije
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I agree! I've got "out of my system" couple of times trying to finish a lesson...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/noam.j.nov

Also, while it is less frustrating, the fact you sort "get off the hook" for making stupid mistakes like writing "it" instead of "he" is actually bad for the learning process. Again, mainly in German where you have three translation for "sie" and you have to pay attention.

Since it's so frustrating to start a lesson all over again, I paid much more attention in the old system to avoid failing. So yes, if this was a game it was much nicer this way. But this is about learning languages so even though I'm pretty sure I'm a minority, I hope you consider this as more important than the fact people are more entertained now.

A few things I would like to be changed if you go back to the old system (which you won't but a girl can hope) is first of all the fact that you have to scroll down a tree so much to get to the current skill I'm working on. The other is that after you finish a practice you get the option to practice again, but if you fell you need to go back to the home screen or refresh, which gives you the same sentences.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hejmsdz
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Just finished my first lesson with a strength bar. It's a great idea, because it makes me practise as much as I need. And running out of hearts was so frustrating, especially if the reason was mishearing a word I'd never seen before at the very end of the lesson!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Markmcopc
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I'm worried that it might be too easy. I hated losing hearts, but with the progress bar I just keep hacking at it until I reach the end. Maybe that's the same result with less rage. I would hope so.

But, I lost the experiment after just a couple of tries. Will I get it back?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/albernegiraffe

Already tried the new format for learning a few skills and I've got to say I like this a lot better. Failing from running out of hearts and having to start over is rather mentally disruptive and I tend to make the same mistakes again when I get to them. I feel like this new system helps reinforce the weakest words/phrases.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PiryatJos
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I'm in the wrong 50%, I'm NEVER included in these test phases. I look forward to giving it a go soon!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mamapostie

I really like the new bar system, and think this is an improvement on the hearts, however, it wold be great to get a lingot if you answer all 20 questions correct first time. This was a real motivation for me to repeat lessons until I earned my lingot. It was nice getting the extra XP points for not losing hearts, but it's the lingot I miss most.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/InaraCouto
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I agree. Winning a lingot for getting all 20 answers right the first time was a great incentive for me.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mister_Tut
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I like the idea of not having to restart lessons, and to keep going until you've sufficiently mastered the material. Since I know that, like myself, many people liked earning the extra points for perfection, you might allow them to earn the Lingot or extra points if they completely fill the bar without a mistake. Or, since people like the know their level of mastery on any given topic, you could also have a default timing system that times each lesson. Depending on how fast you fill the bar, you can get differing amounts of bonus points. 3 extra for 1 minute, 2 extra for 2 minutes, etc. Those getting 3 would also get the bonus Lingot. Just some extra ideas to put out there for consideration.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ParkerGrant

How come even if I answer all the questions correctly I don't get a lingot?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/disintegral
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I dislike this. I use the hearts to tell where I am on the chart. If I can't make it through an exercise with a perfect score, I know I need to keep practicing. Now there's really no way for me to know that.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nektarije
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There you go. You put it right.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bdawsn

¿No más romper mi corizón? Those hearts were full-on creepy: the pile of bloody mess when you crashed the lesson; the flask of bloody refill. Eeeyeew! The strength bar is a lot more positive. No more feeling of dread when out of hearts and half a lesson to go. Sometimes I would just start the lesson over rather than risk getting almost through and getting slammed. Big improvement.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sallypooh
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If we no longer earn lingots for correctly completing a lesson, how will we earn lingots to purchase extra content such as idioms? Will we continue to earn lingots for completing sections, ten day streaks, etc.? Will we be able to continue to use lingots to earn bonus lingots for maintaining a ten day streak?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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They are rather hard to spend at the best of times.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jayway223
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I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this!!!!! Thank you Duo! I got the second bar (the blue one) and I love it. I think this is way better than hearts. Muito obrigado Duolingo!!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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THIS IS GENIUS. This is so much better than even ideas I've had on how to improve the current system. It removes the frustration and just focuses on learning. I'm so excited, I really hope this does well.

Womp. I checked and I'm not in the test group. :( I know you wait for tests to have definite statistical relevance so that you're sure to make the right decision when you implement a new feature, do you know how long that normally takes?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yimantuwingyai
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I have had to be away from Duolingo the past week and a half or so. I came back today to find the hearts had been replaced.

My heart is not broken over this.

Buh dum bum.

Seriously? I love it. It is a vast improvement. It also has more of a mental "gym" type feeling to it, ya know? Reminds me more of Lumosity, which I also love. Great work, guys.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrandApple
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Far more motivating to practice my skills now. Bravo!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kielaa
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I think this idea is brilliant for many reason and will be very effective for learning but there is one thing I'm not sure about. I found that when I ran out of hearts in previous lessons it was very frustrating but that frustration gave me determination to complete the lesson and put more effort into it whereas I find this method more tedious and it doesn't give me as much motivation as it did previously. I think there should be more of a reward for completing a question so that it keeps motivating you to go forward because when the bad has an equal effect to the good I can find it slightly discouraging. Other than that one thing I think this method is a lot more effective in teaching that the previous one and should be a success. Nice work!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DonnyAziz

Echoing what has been said a dozen times, I think the new mechanism is clever and useful. I anticipate that my grit will be tested as much as my language skills are tested--I have been known to quit for days if I couldn't get past a lesson!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaulCip

I dislike the new system. I just completed a lesson perfectly and did not get a lingot or 3 bonus XP. Please return to the heart system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/defiantoli

I didn't know about this change until I started a lesson and as soon as I saw it I rushed over here to say how amazing I thought it was.

I am so glad I am in the test group. I think it is an excellent improvement it is always so demoralizing when you lose hearts particularly when you are on the last question and haven't got any hearts left.

I started a thread before about the annoying lesson failure music which I felt that creates a negative association with failure which is not good along with the red colour scheme. Both types of stimuli which have been shown through psychological research to not be conducive to a positive learning environment.

I think this is a much improved version as it greatly removes the whole notion of pass or fail and only focuses on improvement of the learner.

It also means that people will only finish there learning sessions on a positive which is an important part of creating the habit of learning. With the recency effect we remember what happens at the end most. So if someone is tired, has struggled with a lesson, failed and then stopped for that session they are likely to remember that negative experience than all the previous positive experiences throughout the session. This means that when they are thinking about starting another session that they associate duolingo with the negative experience of the last failed attempt which could reduce the likely hood of them studying in the future.

I had the simple green power bar which on seeing the other one in your post is actually really boring. I think the blue one looks better and I think that even adding some cool animations at the end might be interesting features. Perhaps if you complete the exercise very quickly the end of the power bar could explode or something. My only concern is that to large/visual a power bar may be a distraction but i think it is unlikely to be and I am sure that your testing will ascertain the truth.

I hope this trial stays and is a permanent feature if not please leave me on it even if you change everyone else back.

I was really disappointed when you removed the correction option after each question where I was able to check my answer and add the correct accents or spelling. I think this should still be an option for people to choose as correcting your work is a valuable and powerful way of reinforcing the material and correcting learned errors.

Thanks for the great feature I hope it stays.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/typezed

I started here a couple days ago. I couldn't really understand the scoring system, and when I looked people kept mentioning losing hearts but I could see no hearts. I have the blue bar with the icon. The number at the end was a bit confusing, since it grows higher the more I struggle. It's like golf, but I didn't intuitively grasp that. But then whatever number was there when I finished I couldn't determine how it was impacting my rewards/levels. Because it doesn't.

To game the system for motivation, you could award a token if someone aces the questions, 3/4 of a token if it takes 22 questions to finish, 1/2 a token for 25, 1/4 for perhaps 30. The icon image could have quarters fade away as questions are missed to graphically show this. Partial tokens from different lessons can be combined, but unawarded portions are still available if someone wishes to try to lesson again. It would be an incentive for a person do go back and do practice sessions, snag the unattained loot from those now simple early lessons as they grow more comfortable with the language.

In that way you might retain some of the immediate reward that I'm reading was in your former system while doing away with its harsh penalty of crapping out on a lesson and needing to start over if you miss too many questions.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gemma123

This is much better than the hearts system! I was making silly mistakes and having to redo lessons again and again! Much better way to learn the language! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dobie42

I am not in the test group, but I can honestly say that I actually like the heart system. It keeps me on my toes, reading carefully, and checking my spelling as not to lose a heart or 3 :) As frustrating as it is, I don't personally think I'd like to see it any other way

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DebbiTyler

Thanks for this explanation, I was wondering what happened to the hearts.Kind of miss them but don't miss that false focus on getting through without losing a heart. Now I can focus more on learning.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leonatello
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Nice! It is absolutely more demanding and exciting at the same time. It seems indeed as a much more efficient way of learning! Thank You!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lostdrewid

I love the new system, but I'm sad that I've now lost a way to gain extra experience and lingots from completing lessons without making a single mistake. There should still be bonuses for not making mistakes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

Yes, this is how i feel too. Part of learning is repetition, and I really think the lingots were motivators to repeat a lesson till we got it perfect. The more times you repeat a lesson, the more words and sentence variations you'll see. My fave thing to spend lingots on is the progress quiz which costs 25 lingots.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rolosrevenge
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Boo! The hearts and heart potions really made it feel more like an RPG for me. I hope you reverse this decision as the gaming elements was one of the appeals. Also, what about the XP bonus for clearing a level without a mistake? And what do I spend these over 900 lingots on if not heart potions. No more giving out 4 to someone on the discussion board with a "have a drink on me". This really sucks.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nolothot
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The loss of perfect lesson lingots and extra XP is seriously demotivating for me. Those two things helped me push myself to get 100%. Now it's going to take that much longer to level up, and seemingly will be much harder to earn lingots.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mattheworb

All for trying out new things, but perhaps people could have an option in the end? I much prefer the heart system. Encourages me to pay more attention, be careful, and helps by being a sort of "test-like" system for when I'm actually ready to move on to the new lesson, or when I need to keep persevering with the current one, despite frustrations. It's a great measure of "where you're at" and progress. Obviously sometimes you need to just move on sometimes and come back, but I get a thrill out of going ahead then coming back and finally getting three hearts!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrWho100
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As a very experienced and successful user I offer the following comment for the new strengthbar: It sucks! Here are the reasons:

<pre> - 10 points is the maximum one can earn under the new system. With 3500 points separating levels for me, this amounts to 350 practices. With the heart system, I could and did trim 30% off by earning 13 points by completing the lesson with no errors. - There is no bonus Lingot for a perfect lesson. I found the bonus Lingot very motivational, and this was the reason to be perfect! What do we have now? </pre>

This "great" new idea from Duolingo ranks right up there with another idea I hate: The Coach, especially on the Android, where you've made it mandatory to enable it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cyndiluwho

You can get 20 if you use timed practice, but no lingot.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wonderboy6
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This is going to sound mean lol, honestly not intended ;P

Lingots are completely pointless especially when you get a certain amount

and 30% is the maximum you could shave off and if you could three star all the way thrugh every time thats a good sign to move on,,try immersion or a different site. ^^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Khaytrae
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Thank you so very much for this one. There are a couple things I really like about this: 1. The frustrating restarts. It was awful to be forced to restart after missing the last question. Especially in something like Dutch where because of the way the beta is moving, it can't really give article hints, so one wrong article and you have to go all the way back, which was very disappointing. 2. Typos. My keyboard is going, so sometimes it misses letters: sometimes I type something out and hit enter only to realise half a second later the s key (one of the keys dying) didn't work, and then I get to watch as the heart shatters. 3. The coloured bars are so pretty! Maybe create different patterns for lingot rewards? Like a snowy patterned bar for winter? I doubt it's too much of a difficulty graphic-wise. And you can rotate between which ones you want in your options.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeskeH
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Why not let each user choose for themselves? Or make this bar-system (or the heart-system, if the other one becomes the default) purchasable with lingots? :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alex.Essilfie
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I absolutely support this. It could be a buyable item in the store and that would be so much better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bruno_de_Brito
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How wonderful is the blue strength bar!!! Is better that the green strength bar ... ^^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jamiet3594
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I tried it and I think it seems like a much better game mechanic, particularly that you don't have to redo a lesson

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

We don't have to redo a lesson, but is this good? The idea was that if we got 3 or more wrong, repeating the lesson would help us to retain the words and usage better. The bonus lingots and xp were motivators. I like the new system which just adds more questions rather than making you have to start over, but i want them to reward learners for finishing with a perfect score. We always have the option to redo if we want more practice, but adding the bonuses back would help.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tolivefreely
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Thank you very much! It happened to pop up during one of my lessons and I must say, it made me make sure I wrote everything correctly so that I could finish! This is also very good for those (including myself) who run out of hearts on the last block to save us from frustration :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amor.fati
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While I haven't read through all of the comments on this thread, I think I have something new to add regarding this new lesson format.

First of all, I love it. I love not having to pay so much attention to how many more lives I have, and instead I can just focus on the sentences. I think one new and great advantage of this system could be giving partial credit for having "almost correct" answers. They normally counted for full credit, but you could pay attention to what you missed if you stuck around the page long enough. Instead, if partial credit was offered (like .7 or .8 of the increase a normal correct answer would receive), there would be a greater incentive for me to focus on which words I am misplacing accents on.

I loved Duolingo before, but I think this will make me fanatical about it. Thanks a lot development team!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EmiliaWarax

I think this is a good idea, because I've gotten very frustrated with the heart system sometimes, though it did challenge me in a good way. But, like a lot of others, I do miss getting lingots. They made me strive to do better so I could get them. Perhaps it's my american mentality ;) Thanks for this new system though, DuoLingo! I love practicing! You're the best :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

It's nice, but I wish you would continue to give one lingot for finishing with a perfect score. I noticed that I did not get my lingot for finishing without mistakes this time. Disappointing.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

Also i wish they would put back the little box that said how far from the next level we are.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/saraellerose91
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Hi Luis... I will miss earning a Lingot for finishing the lesson without errors... It will be so much harder for me to earn Lingots now. I like to use Lingots to buy the language tests.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/disintegral
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Are you trying the double of nothing option in the lingot store? I get a lot of use out of that.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lotgalad

I do not like the new system, it seemed more motivating to practice and try to pass the lesson with full lives, so I had to repeat it; besides being able to win the ingots to maintain full lives allowing acquire additional lessons and extra bonus experience for completing the lesson with three lives

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Danmoller
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Brazilian people seem to like it too! https://www.duolingo.com/comment/5783700$comment_id=5786256

Now they ask about "no more full heart lingots"? "Speaking" and "three option" sentences?

One of them suggested they could mark a difficult word themselves, so the system would bring it up more often.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nblaisdell
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I feel a lot more free to guess and make mistakes with this new system, and as an ESL teacher I can say that feeling free to make mistakes is incredibly helpful in learning a language.

Thanks for this great improvement!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/My-a
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I got the blue bar and I love it. Just please add the lingots back or come up with some system that allows us earn lingots when we have a perfect score :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Psittacosis
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I am in the test group (blue bar). I must say I have to agree with those that would at least like to have the OPTION of choosing the old heart system - while this new system does remove the frustration of losing too many hearts and having to start over again, I feel that the old system also introduces a nice challenge aspect by setting the 80-85% threshold for passing a lesson that is now lost with this new system. Getting the extra points/lingots for unused hearts was also rewarding at the end.

I want to second the suggestion that was made previously - please implement this new system as a REVIEW option, but keep the old heart system. Or at least give us a choice.

As always, thank you so much for maintaining this amazing free language learning service. I cant even begin to tell you how much it has helped me learn German.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vivisaurus
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I've seen both bars, and I have the blue one, which I find way more satisfying. It has a little goal to reach. And bubbles.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MeadowlarkJ

My bar is red! Does everyone else in the test group have either a green or a blue bar?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pdquinn1
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I think it has to do with the color of the lesson. I have had red and blue and both were the same color on the lesson icon.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MeadowlarkJ

Thanks. I see that now.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/whitepearl14

I have a green bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucybrisky

So far the system seems to work well, but the 1:1 increase/decrease makes it too easy compared to hearts. Something like 1:2 would probably be better. Also, without bonus XP, it looks like I'll be stuck with something like 302/400 XP forever. Not being an increment of 10 is going to drive me insane!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joshlindenmuth

One of the big issues I have with duolingo is the lack of opportunities to practice a word within a lesson. For example, I just finished the unit on "Objects". One of the lessons had 8 new words. Of the 20 questions provided, there were - at least 5 "click on the picture" type questions - 5 "repeat after me" questions - 5 "click the only 3 words out of the 4 provided that make any sense" questions (for some reason it only does this on Android)

Which left 5 translation questions. And there were a couple words that I only used in the "repeat after me" screens. To me, this seems silly. I used the word "fuentes" once during the test, and the context didn't allow me to really know what it meant. I searched the web, which said it meant "spring" (duolingo asked me to translate "Yo tengo mis fuentes" ... and said it meant sources ... now I'm really confused).

My point is that I'd love the opportunity to use each word in a few different contexts, and soon after I learn them. If your new skill meter will provide this, awesome! =)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rozzie
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Fuentes has more than one meaning so just remember that in the future.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/archies4000

I feel this is a good motivational idea. Really takes off the pressure of losing all my hearts. :P

Although being awarded something extra (like extra XP) for completing the lesson without any mistakes would also be great, similar to the number of hearts remaining that got converted to XP.

Keep it up, Duolingo! :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lingopear
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I just tried the new feature (I got the green bar) and I was really disappointed because the lack of hearts takes away from the gaming aspect of duolingo - and I have to admit that is the reason why I keep coming back. It was so addictive. And now you can't loose a game anymore. Every lesson I complete gives the same number of points now, so there is no real motivation to do well in the lessons in order to impress your friends with who you are competing. With the bar it is less obvious to me when I make a mistake (it is less painful), and that makes me more sloppy. I am looking forward to a more custom duolingo experience, so if we have to loose hearts to get that - so be it. I find it quite hard to judge how many more questions I need to answer in order to complete a lesson. It would be nice to have a % number in addition to the progress bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erdnaoluap
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Yes, I understand you. If they announce a gamified tool and don't deliver it, it's incoherent. The goal of Duo is to offer the best way to learn a language. So, I think they are progressively figuring out that the structure of a game isn't the best to achieve it, and they are cleaning out the house little by little. As luis said, "we are just a startup". That means Duo has a lot to learn, as much as we do.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ronnie-JA

The type of question that you get wrong is repeated until you nail it, whether it be Subjunctive, adverbs, pronouns etc. This version hopes to identify the type of exercise that you're weak on an re-test that. I agree that the hearts provided more of an element of gamification, but when you complete the tree you'll question the worth of the hearts system as it becomes clear on review that there is still a lot of stuff that wasn't understood or retained, despite going through the whole tree.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nathansk8s
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this is great! I like it way more than the hearts. It was getting so frustrating when I only had time to do one lesson but I didn't pass it so I felt like I wasted by time. Now I can feel like I'm always making progress every time I do a lesson instead of feeling like I'm getting worse.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

It is SO much better this way! I love it! For one, I was much more likely to just give up for the day after I'd tried a lesson a few times and lost all my hearts each time. Especially when I was just losing hearts for stupid mistakes, like typos (sometimes it lets them pass, but sometimes it doesn't. And also after having failed a time or three, if I was down to 1 or 0 hearts, I'd be much more likely to peek (cheat) at a translation site or something when I wasn't positive on something just because I didn't want to risk having to do the entire lesson AGAIN. Instead, having done only one lesson with the new method, I can already tell you that I'm more likely to try to think a moment or two longer withOUT looking anything up, and take the chance that it's wrong. In the long run, this will strengthen my own ability to recall the correct rules/answers without being so quick to just go "Ugh, I don't want to go through this whole lesson again so I'll just look it up!". GREAT change! Thank you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/20first
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I'm also in the test group and I have to say that it is really nice this way. I don't actually want to go back :-)

There are just a few points that I would like to elaborate on:

1) There is no bonus experience for making fewer mistakes which eventually means you are allowed to be a little more sloppy. Specifically, I set my daily goal to 50 exp. In the old system this meant that I can get this done in 4 lessons/practices only if I make no more than two mistakes in total. Else I will have to do a fifth one. With the new system, though, I have to do five lessons anyway and therefore I do not feel as punished for making mistakes as in the previous one.

A possible solution would be to take some of the old system into the new one by having again three containers at the top when you start (maybe stars?), one of which is emptied whenever you make a mistake. For every full container remaining at the end of a lesson, you get one bonus exp. Maybe you could also buy more containers for lingots in the store? Not a refill, but an additional container. Wouldn't be too bad since the containers no longer determine whether you pass a lesson or not.

2) There is no lingots for perfect scores anymore. In the long run, this means that there is no reliable way of getting lingots easily which means the lingots will increase in value. This might be intended or not, but I actually like it.

3) This is a very personal one, but I don't like odd numbers... With the new system, you have to answer 17 questions, or 19 questions, if you make one mistake, 21 questions for two mistakes etc. This is always an odd number :-/ Couldn't you have chosen 16, or 18, or the previous 20?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mimimilol

does this make it impossible to earn new lingots, unless you've done it perfectly the first time? I haven't got any new lingots :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dfwbecky
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I believe you can still earn lingots by keeping your streak alive or by reaching an increment of 10 day streak. I have no idea what to do with all my lingots now that I don't buy extra hearts though.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elishevabb

I like it!

I often lost hearts if I made typos in English which was really frustrating. Also I'm not made to go through repetitive sentences just to get to the end of the lesson. It seems to go much faster.

However, as there are always different opinions, I'm wondering if it would be possible to give the user a choice in "Setting" that way you would keep everyone happy.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nathan2010
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I have the second bar (it's not just blue, it changes colour!). I really like it! I think it will really help beginners maintain motivation, as I know of some people who have given up completely after becoming frustrated with repeatedly losing all of their hearts during the first few lesson.

What I like most about it is that it now hurts a lot less when Duolingo makes a mistake (e.g. not yet recognising an alternate, valid translation). I have no problem with the site not knowing every synonym for every word, as it is always developing and improving, but I must say that when it caused me to lose my final heart and fail a lesson or ruined a perfect lesson, it stung!

The one criticism I have is the loss of reward for a perfect lesson, but I am certain that this will be back very shortly!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/noam.j.nov

I really don't like it! First of all, if you make a lot of mistakes the sentences repeat themselves so I end up finishing a lesson cause I remember the answer not cause I know it. When I have to stop and start again, there is a less chance of that.

Also, you left the lingot prices and points awards as they were. So in away it costs me more to get the same items from the store since I have less options to earn them, and more time to reach a new level since they are now heart bonus points.

I'm learning German, so I also don't like that when you choose a translation with the help of a picture it comes up automatically with the "gender". Getting that is a very important part of learning German

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alex.Essilfie
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This is a far better system for improving our language skills even though I believe there are some pertinent questions that need to be answered (see the thread started by jrikhal).

One major reason I liked the older system was the bonus points and extra lingot users received for completing a lesson without making any mistakes. There are many of us who saw that as a major motivation for studying hard and playing.

Unfortunately for us now, there are not extra points for completing with a perfect score. Each lesson awards a flat 10-point score. This means it's going to take about 33% longer to level up.

In addition to the speedy levelling up, the lingot awarded was used for a variety of things such as buying timed lessons, unlocking special lessons (e.g. idioms) and especially for some users who are often on the road, streak freeze. As it stands now, there is a reduced lingot award frequency and so people's spending will be less.

With the double-whammy loss of extra points and lingots for perfect scores, there is no real motivation for getting a perfect score. Kindly bring back those two additions since they spurred on a lot of us.

For now, I'll exclusively use the android app to accumulate enough lingots and speed up my levelling up.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gringaerin
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I did enjoy the heart system for the sheer fact that it added a competitive nature to the game which helped push me a bit. I don't mind the new system either so long as there is a reward system added. Someone else mentioned it will take longer to level up because you can't earn more than ten points, so there needs to be a way where you can earn more than ten for getting all answers correct. Also LINGOTS. I loved getting lingots when I finished a lesson without error and these new lessons don't have any sort of reward for this accomplishment. Please do something about this! Lingots and the streak counter are my two favorite parts about Duolingo!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PadreKoonce

It seems like I am in the minority opinion, but there were a lot of things I liked about the old "heart" system. The fact that you only get three strikes makes you pay attention to what you are doing, and although I too felt frustration at losing a heart over a clumsy error, I thought the challenge was worth it. I also liked getting the heart bonus. At a time when sloppiness is writing is all-too-common, a language-learning program that demands precision and rewards it is a very good thing. Could the heart system be brought back as a user option?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/heathermagoo
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The new strength bar is "Wunderbar!" : D : D : D

The more I use it, the more I love it. No more time wasted trying to save that last heart.

Mucho motivating improvement to the learning environment.

( The color of the new strength bar varies. Sometime blue, sometimes red, sometimes green, apparently matching the color of the lesson icon.)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melarish
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A year from now, new members will be reading old comments and going "what's all these hearts they're talking about?" :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FiveMagicsMaster

As now new users wonder what are those trees older users talk about :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melarish
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I still see them called trees, although they're somewhat less branch'ey :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kai_Guy

Thank you. I now feel far more free to make mistakes without worrying about those damned hearts. Please keep it this way.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EleanorSam2

I like this a lot, I think it works better, especially if, say, you do still have to start the exercise all over again (maybe) if you bottom out on your strength bar. I am in the test group with the big shiny central bar, and I like it.

I only have one complaint: When still on the hearts system, I was up to some figure ending in a nine, and now because there is no heart bonus, and you just automatically get 10 points for the completion of each exercise, I AM FOREVER STUCK ON A FIGURE THAT ENDS IN A NINE AND THIS IS REALLY, REALLY BUGGING ME. I don't care if my score gets rounded down by four or nine as opposed to up by one, I just want a nice round number as my final digit! D:

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

You can earn extra XP by translating. Just click "immersion" to go to the list of articles. You do not have to translate a whole article - you can stop after a paragraph. A bar at the top shows how many XP you earned on the translation so far.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/polomare

I don't have time to read the entire comment section, so forgive me if this has already been posted. But my beef with the new system is that there didn't seem to be an option, at the completion of the test, to review the questions I got wrong. I really liked that feature in the old system. It made even my mistakes valuable to learning. Can you bring that option back?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/polomare

Edit: After having now perused the comment section, I just have to say I am surprised at how easily so many people's self esteem was affected by the old system! Do you guys really learn better if your feelings aren't hurt? If the answer is a HONEST yes, then I guess the new system is an improvement. But are you sure you really learn better? Or do you just think you do?

My feelings weren't hurt by the old system and I don't feel an ego boost from the new. I really wouldn't care which system was used EXCEPT for the fact that I don't like not being able to know (with reasonable estimation) how long a lesson is going to take. I fit lessons in here and there on mini breaks throughout my work day. If I fail a lesson, so what, I'll go back to it later. But if I get stuck on some crazy lesson that ends up being 44 questions long, and I run out of time, what do I do? Give up? And do the whole monster over again later? That's a negative in my book. Officially, count me as a vote AGAINST the new system. But, if they can bring back my ability to review mistakes at the end of the lesson AND provide the feature of being able to "freeze" or "save" a lesson's progress, and return to it later, than I will begrudgingly accept the new system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LaArakido
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I'm very positive to the new system. I've used it now for a couple of days and I feel that the learning flow has improved. Before when I got my third wrong answer, I first got the annoying loosing sound plus I got angry (with myself), then I had to restart the lesson and do several parts again that I already answered correctly.

Honestly I don't know if I do a lesson faster than before. But the essence is it does FEEL like I do it faster and that I learn the lesson well.

BUT: I miss the lingot for each perfect skill and the extra XP and I would like to repeat the proposal from LewisH65:

"13xp and a lingot for no mistakes in a lesson, 12xp for 1 mistake, 11xp for 2 mistakes, and 10xp for 3+ mistakes."

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

I like this suggestion. However I think where DL may disagree is, once you offer a lingot for a perfect score, the frustration goes up again. The reason is, people will feel compelled to redo the lesson until they get that lingot so if you make that typo at the very end, all the frustration of the old system comes back. I suggest that we be allowed to earn a lingot for each 100 XP of translation, or other ways, and leave the new system as is.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Having some frustrated people because of the last question being wrong seems better to me than having a lot of more frustrated people because they never earn a lingot with their lessons again. Nevertheless, I upvoted your post because that might be actually the reason why DuoLingo abandoned the lingot.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Grinchforest
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I think this system is a bad idea. First of all this will be in long way more frustrating than previous one. After fixed number of exercises, people could think about mistakes, take a short break and redo or do another topic. Now, they will have a never ending exercise, after which people think that finally is the end and never do it again.

Second thing is the challenge. When people ended with 2 or 1 heart, the next thought was that next time they would do it better and faster. Now the feeling is flat.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoverCub
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this literally just changed for me. Let's see if it goes well... I know that other users really hated the lack of "achievement" when they lost their lessons one or 2 answers away from the end so this could be a great thing. I'll let you know how I found it soon.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoverCub
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So far, I feel is FANTASTIC. Great changed to avoid demoralizing people while still requiring that they get to a stage where they succeed more than they screw up.

You might want to add some other "lingot sink" though or there will be "lingot inflation" since there's nothing really of worth buying once you've purchased other things.

Maybe something like "one time boost" for only skill, or usable only once a day? I don't know. Something that doesn't help the user too much but that he can still think valuable and that it depletes after usage.

Anyway. Good job.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/takosku
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I'm loving the Doulingo Evolution ^_^ Too bad I'm not in the 50% though

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/drawing14

THAT SOUNDS AWESOME, CAN'T WAIT.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/putinpresident
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This system seems better and a lot more practical than the heart system for sure. But are the lingots going to be completely replaced?, since their primary function was to buy hearts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/samulili
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What is the number next to the skill icon? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the number of XP's one earns at the end of the lesson. And I really miss being able to earn more than 10 :(

If you decide to fully adopt the bar system, will you at some point start to make a difference between "half wrong" and "fully wrong" answers? Or maybe reward more for more difficult/longer sentences?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cappie1980

If I'm thinking about the same thing it's the little number near the egg and represents how many cards you've answered in the round. 17 I believe is perfect, but since you just go back a bit for mistakes it lets you know how many you've done.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yoel.
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A great idea, I love it. The old system didn't bother me (I like to keep a sense of perspective about these things), but I prefer the new one. Keep up the outstanding and original work!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/masterrr

I'm in the 50% and no doubt loving it. Now looking forward to this feature being implemented in the iOS app.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Parham3679srsr
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I have a question , any answer is appreciated :) after a practice I found that I am one of those 50% being tested this feature on but it disappeared quickly! Is it possible to bring it back?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MsLagerkvist2
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I love this!!! It is so much better for me!

The best part of it is that I take more risks, do it entirely from memory, don't look at reference material. If I get something wrong, so what? I'll get it right the next time and I'LL LEARN THE LANGUAGE. I don't know if you can measure this change in my learning with quantifiable data, so I want to be super, super clear that this makes me less cautious because I'm not afraid of having to repeat an entire lesson. Not all of us are whizzes.

And I appreciate so much that you let us in on the process.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/filippo-b

Much better! I always wanted something like this because i heated the hearts system! Thank you! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/toutousmile
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I want my hearts back...the gaming hearts thing is part of the excitement of completing a lesson, I miss the compassionate crying owl!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/antspants01
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I'll miss the little bugger even though he was a reminder of my failure haha :'(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Noravari

I've already completed several lessons with the second bar and it is 100 times better than the heart system. I'm not freaked out about hearts, not failing when I only have 1 more exercise. I love the egg at the end that tells me how many questions I had to answer before I got to the end. This is such a great compliment to the new Coach added in. Please keep it up!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Question: What is the number at the beginning of the lesson? (cf. "I love the egg at the end that tells me how many questions I had to answer before I got to the end").

I'm curious.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Noravari

It starts out at 1. The egg I guess was a mistake. It's supposed to be an icon of the lesson you're on.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Thx for the answer!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jjp09419

Much better system! Of course the heart system feels more like a game but I am more concerned with learning than games so that doesn't bother me at all! If anything, I would just stick to experience points and rewards and their implications. Like many have said, you could be rewarded for using accents or streaks of correct answers that follows through different lessons. Also, I think if you worked on making your lingot store larger and the ways in which you are rewarded lingots, then the experience would be all around better (while maintaining the gaming satisfaction). As of now, there isn't much in the store that I want, making the receiving of lingots sort of pointless. Just my thoughts, thanks duolingo staff! Good luck in furthering your development!

Josh

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JamieJamJams

I think I will really like this new system. The heart system was very frustrating for me and if I ever lost all of my hearts half way through a lesson, I would sometimes just give up half way through. Since I knew I probably wouldn't be able to complete it anyway.

I really hope I get into this test. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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I just completed my first lesson for ages and I liked it. I had been working on translations because I got frustrated with having to start lessons from scratch when sometimes the mistake wasn't my fault. I very much like the new format. I especially like the way doing lessons and translations keeps words strengths full.

Overall, I think the emphasis on improving the learning experience as well as the translations is important. I had been doing most of my learning with newspapers and online translators because I found it much quicker in boosting my vocabulary. The more time we spend on this website instead the better.

Merci bien

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

That's an excellent idea. Rather than 'failing' when we run out of hearts and having to start again, we can just work at it until we understand things.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaghtaersis
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I really like this system! I used to be stuck at a single lesson for days in the past. Now I will actually get past those!. I can also do repeat lessons much easier now.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chavabt

I like this way better than the hearts, because it was super frustrating to get 99% of the way there and have to restart.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/uyneb2000
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I like this much better. It allows you to keep going even if you make more than 3 mistakes, and allows you to retry things you struggle on without the frustration of having to do the whole lesson over again. Thank you for the change, I love it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JudahKaresh

I like this new system. It makes for less stress and less rage quits over silly mistakes early in the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rhythmixed
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It seems like a great idea, but I would love to be able to choose which system to be able to use if the new system is rolled out to everyone. It seems like Duolingo would have lost some of its game like attributes with this new system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Panda7090
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Great Idea!

That would be a nice feature to see... "Pick Your Game Mode?" I feel as though it would satisfy all parties, both those that want the old system and those that want the new one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zakblak
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But from the lessons I have done with the new version, so far it seems to be slightly easier. Perhaps I am mistaken and I just don't have to restart the lesson repeatedly.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zakblak
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Not really, they are simply switching from a number of lives to a life bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaxwellSchneider

I question whether the user's time alone will function as an effective source of motivation. Still, I'll wait for the devs to look the over the data over a longer period of time before allowing my no-change-ever mindset to hate the new system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ReidHT
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Is timed practice still around, group A?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phobic
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I still have it. I'm blue bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cyndiluwho

Yes, green bar

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ClarinetDad

I get the idea of using the bar instead, but couldn't you keep the reward bonuses for finishing a full lesson without missing any like how it was before? I just felt it was more rewarding when you managed to get a lesson done with full hearts and you'd not only get 14 XP instead of 10, but a lingot for having full hearts. I don't know, I just don't like not having those extra little bonuses that came with doing very well on a section.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/javaguy11111

Just want to say I love the new strength bar idea. I had pretty much given up on Duolingo in favor of other language learning options. because of the frustration of getting to the last question, getting it wrong and then starting over from scratch. I will be spending more time practicing with Duolingo thanks to this change.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Emanresudilavni
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My bar is a combination of the two. It's green but looks like the blue one; it's slanted and has the skill icon at the end of it. The heart system was sometimes irritating but it was also rewarding to finish a lesson without a mistake and then receive a lingot at the end. I also repeat lessons a lot, both to refresh/strengthen my skills and to earn and save lingots, after all, the progress quiz isn't cheap. On the other side, I do like that instead of repeating an entire lesson after all hearts have been used up, the progress bar would just go back down. A combination of the two would be best though, the progress bar with a lingot as a reward if no mistake has been committed. Anyway, THANK YOU very much! Lingots or no lingots, heart system or no heart system, this site has been very helpful.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thnomad
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Add me to the list of thumbs-up existing users. The heart-loss system was making me crazy, and discouraging me from working through lessons in order. I would choose to gain my daily points by skill tests or translating, or attempts to test out. Since I do believe that progressing through the lessons in order is valuable, I'm happy to have a more realistic way of doing it. The strength bar gives us the chance to persevere and work past our mistakes, rather than just being kicked off. Thanks for the continuing development!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/randinoegroho

In my opinion, this upgrade is really outstanding. Small change but able to give me more motivation and make me study more willingly, not desperately avoid losing hearts.

I must say, when I had my first glance of the bar, I was really glad!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erdnaoluap
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1 year user, larger bar. I liked it from the first second I saw it. I don't care for the 3xp less and for the hearts, which I only used to give away. They could be replaced for "xp money cards(i don't know, a little paper of dolar with the number of xp inside)", something different to congratulate people for their great comments and useful help in the process of learning. Now I won't redo a lesson anymore when losing 1 single heart.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/godomihaela
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ok, this is a good idea, but the progress as it was shown before, it was a lot better than now, when it's shown with XPs. why did you change this, also?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amgad
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Please God let me be one of the 50% getting this

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chancechapman

This is so much better! Great idea!! I'm not terrified to make a mistake anymore which really helps because that's how you learn - through trial and error but also from being relaxed. It really got frustrating to not complete a lesson because all of your work (and time spent) was erased when you forgot if a noun is masculine or feminine or maybe you just mistyped a word. Now, I'll go ahead and rely on my memory to see if I've really learned something rather than using a translation service to check the sentence.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/girlylittleanna

I've just seen the new strenght bar during a Dutch lesson . I didn't mind the heart system, it actually helped me to reach more points :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Roadlawyer
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I've got the red bar, and while at first I was a little skeptical and thought I would miss the hearts, working on congiutivo has made me a believer. It's a much more satisfying and less frustrating system especially when one is prone to typos in one's own language and hitting the return tab instead of the shift. Nothing was worse than losing a heart before even typing in an answer.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ynhockey
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It's good but I think you should learn from KhanAcademy by making a wrong answer cost more than 1 point. Otherwise it's far too easy and misses the point of mastery-based learning which gamefied learning is all about.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marklino
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I lost count of how many times I got frustrated because i lost 3 hearts due to dumb typos. This new way, I'll still get penalized for mistakes, but I won't lost everything

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Supling
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No ingot and extra experience reward, but prevents a lot of frustration! Thank you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/all1cat

Maybe I missed it, but how do we earn lingots, now? I completed a lesson with no mistakes and I got nothing.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Petja.
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The new system is working just fine, but please enable us earning lingots while practising again. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/baldwinj

I find the negative reinforcement of going on for ever for making stupid mistakes leading me to make real mistakes. I find the notion that the new system is more positive extremely strange. Here every mistake is penalized and there is no reward. I just quit in the middle of a session in disgust. I may try again later.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/curlyeric
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At this point, would it make sense to make the two practice sessions more similar. In timed your strength bar would start at 50% and go up based on the difficulty of the answer ( not unlike immersion ) and go down based on time ( and possibly wrong answers ). You could also scale the timed for the level they are on ( the higher the level the faster the bar ticks down ).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carpelanam
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I like the new format, but I do most of my lessons on my Kindle app, which is more convenient for me, and primarily use the website for languages that are still in Beta, translation, and timed practice. On the app, I like and use the heart system; it's a little disconcerting when the heart refill I thought I had bought isn't there because it was taken back and the lingots refunded. I'd just as soon keep any extra hearts I buy until the app is updated to the new system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dwduo
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I think I might really like this. It feels better; it encourages effort by giving a non-rigid incentive to move forward, rather than filling the user with anxiety and frustration by punishing them as they fail. Also, the whole, "you'll have to do more exercises..." approach just feels better, like it will make me know it to move on, rather than allowing me to slip by.

I haven't used the new system many times yet (only once so far, and it went very well -- I'm about to go do more, so I might have more feedback shortly), but this is the first thing I'm genuinely excited about here for some time, now. I think you guys might have a winner with this.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dwduo
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jrikhal raises a very good point above: "to pass a lesson is far easier (in term of required level of knowledge) than before. Indeed you now only need to be able to answer correctly to little more than 50% of the exercises in order to validate (it can be very long --- see below --- but you'll finally pass it without being better than 50%+) when in the last system you needed at least 17 good answers over 20, so 85% of correct answers."

I feel the strength deduction for missing a question should definitely be bigger (by at least 2x or 3x if not more) than what is added for getting a question correct. Otherwise, yes, it's a bit too easy to pass a session.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dwduo
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Forgot to follow up! Yes, I quite like this. Feels much less "adversarial" now, if that makes sense. Makes me want to learn, practice, and in general visit DL more.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CESMOtacon

I love the blue bar. When can I get it?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/apowerjones

Aww but no more bonus Lingot for full hearts!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KevieO

Is it my computer? I can no longer get help by hovering over the words!! I sunk!! I never used Duolingo like a game anyway. I just want to improve my Spanish, so bars or hearts are all the same to me, but I have to have my helps!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wrenbob
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AND NO FULL HEART LINGOTS!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StrapsOption
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I noticed, I didn't get my lingots either!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StrapsOption
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I'm in the test group, and that is fantastic! It works so well, and it takes a lot of pressure off. The one bad thing is that the lingot store has very little to offer, so it needs even more now. But that idea really works, well done.

Not too sure about this one though...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phobic
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That... really reminds me of The Sims.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StrapsOption
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I can actually see where you're going with that - well done, you used the toilet, comfort up by 5 points, or something?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cyndiluwho

I like the green bar but I miss the extra XP for getting through the lesson with hearts. I'm all about XP so I was using the timed lesson for strengthening (up to 20 XP per session) but I just learned that sometimes Duo goes to previous lessons and adds words/phrases so I've gone back to the beginning to redo my lessons thus far. I am disappointed that "redoing" only gets you 10 XP per lesson when it was possible to get up to 13 before. I haven't had a problem with having to redo an entire lesson due to making more than 3 mistakes since my beginning lessons, but even with making one mistake, you would get the 12 XP. Also, I just redid the lesson for verbs, present 2 and purposely answered questions wrong to see if I would get different questions the farther into the lesson I went and it was basically the same questions over and over. I will try this method a few more times using the "redo" buttons because I want to be tested on all of the words that are supposed to be covered.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/benjsharpe

Initial observations on this: definitely helpful for learning when I have time to engage for a while. More opportunity to wrestle oft-forgotten phrases into the memory banks. However, sometimes I want to just dip in and do one quick session and feel like I've achieved something - even if only a little. And to get that little trumpet SFX as a reward. In those instances a bar trapped in no-mans land between success and failure is a little ... frustrating. Maybe you could introduce a mini game with fewer Qs to run alongside this more challenging format?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alex.Essilfie
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Yes, having a mini game with fewer questions and maybe 5 XP would be good.

I often find myself desiring to do a quick lesson in maybe 5 minutes or less. I however decline when faced with the idea of being trapped for 10 to 15 minutes on one exercise.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Heclayton
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Additional comment - it would be good to force you to repeat the sentences you got wrong, and/or have a list of which ones you got right and which ones you got wrong at the end. (I'm also holding out hope for a way of flagging a sentence specifically for a "practice this one more" or flashcard system)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mgruver

Is there a timeframe for this experiment? How long until the rest of us are able to use the new system?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Roadlawyer
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I've had the red bar now for 24 hours and have done half a dozen lessons, and what I'm finding is so brilliant about this change is that because I'm not afraid of losing hearts and having to start all over again, I'm much more willing to experiment with the language. It has changed my whole approach and I think I'm learning much more.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lhemurchik
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I am in the test group and now can say that I really like a new progress bar. It is useful not to think about typos or mistakes and just learn the topic.

But I have read all comments and, summarizing all the positive and negative opinions, agree with users who do not like an absence of extra lingots and points. Lingots motivated me too, no less than learning new words.

I think a good way would be to keep an old encouragement system (now we have three indexes: count of all questions in the current exercise, count of all right answers and count of mistakes — maybe it is possible to calculate an optimal limit of mistakes and to give extra XP-points and lingots if user do not exceeded it) and use new progress bar — this is a great idea.

Lingots are necessary because, for example, a possibility to buy the Streak Freeze when it is needed — a very good argument.

Thank you for your working! :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ArborAurora

I can't say whether I like or dislike it yet, probably because it is a change I am not used to yet. It does seem like a good idea... There is one thing I would like, though. Little marks on the bar to show how many correct answers are needed to fill up the bar. Maybe it's just me, but I liked the bar before, since it showed how many questions were left.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andowatalks
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I just revisited some Spanish lessons and stumbled upon the bar-system. I have to say I like it. It lets you end on a positive note - not just finished even if you got it wrong.

On the other hand I wonderd how you are going to include the lingot-earning-system. Since I do not have immediate use of the languages I learn, I need another goal and that was as of some days ago earning lingots with getting all right answers in going through the lessons. Now I don't have that.. I don't really have enough time atm to engage in immersion or discussion to earn anything..

On that note I'd welcome more uses for lingots.. maybe some interactive games? like memory - word+picture or word+translation ... maybe buying some play-slots with the lingots instead of getting access to the game all the time ...

did I mention that I like the bar-system? ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HouYadda
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I admit that this new system makes me feel more motivated, but I think it's less fair than the old system in following points:

1) To finish the progress bar -with no mistake- I need to pass 18 questions, while with the old system only 15 questions were required!

2) Finishing a test with no mistakes gave 3XP extra and 1 lingot. With the new system I get 10XP in any case and no lingots!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bodhisattvah

I agree with some of the comments here. There are a lot of merits to this bar deal, but 13xp and a lingot for a perfect practice/strength builder was good motivation. I could keep on top of the daily goal with four solid practices if I didn't make mistakes. Now it takes five, whether they're sloppy or perfect. And I get no lingots. That's less encouraging.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seeker24418

thank you! this is perfect! please make these changes for android app too) I'll be honest, with the old system I used to cheat sometimes, I kept looking into discussion threads to find the correct translation when I was in the very end of the lesson out of hearts and didn't want to redo the whole thing! Keep up the amazing work:)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EdithOSB

I liked the hearts. I liked the suspense, when I got things wrong: would I survive to the end. I liked earning a lingot when I did a lesson perfectly I even liked broken heart image: It shared my disappointment made me laugh.

I do not like the strength bar. It has no suspense. It does not give any reward. (Where's my lingot for a perfect lesson?) It can make the lesson really long.

The experiment is on the website but not the iPad app. My heart refill was removed on the app even though it still uses hearts. Now DuoLingo works differently in two places.

I am so tired of experiments I could cry. Duolingo is no longer a free service. It is a service where we donate hours of interface testing in exchange for learning a language. I don't know how their expertise in user interfaces gets monetized, but they must have a reason.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GillMontgomery

I agree, I liked the hearts too and the fact that you could do a quick lesson - now I seem to spend hours going backwards and forwards along the strength bar. The temptation is to guess more whereas with the hearts I would go and look something up if I only had one heart left. I know I can still do the same but somehow I don't.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/4llowyourdream

I like blue one more (I have this), but I think there's must be Lingot for perfect answers, because they're not useless to me. I buy every 2-3 weeks Progress Quiz and this stuff is expensive. I can't finish 15 skills every month, I need work hard on each of them. So it would be better to make something between^ new system with lingot award. Hope to be heard.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

I agree with this. Either put back the lingot and bonus points for perfect scores, or give us another way to earn Lingots. For example, give one lingot for each 100 xp worth of translation. What do you guys think about that idea?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nektarije
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Now, couple of days later I feel a bit more acquainted with "bar system" and I would like to share some of my experience and proposals, as I still feel "heart system" is more rewarding and motivating.

"Bar system" proved to be much more friendlier when one is immersing himself/herself into new lesson for the first time. Therefore, I believe that "heart system" is better and more appropriate when taking tests or just checking out the skills.

I understand it is frustrating when one loses his heart or whole lesson because of typing mistakes (and not only because of it!), but as I am simultaneously on the French course right now (in a real life) my professor says that I am absolutely the best in writing out of all other people in all other classes, and I surely can claim that it is so because of Duolingo and its insistence in correct spelling! It just takes a lot of patience and some time for total beginner to get used to correct writing, but what language is easy at the beginning?

Another thing I would like to see improved, actually being put back is - "reward" system. Getting an extra experience or lingot for finishing a lesson or test with less mistakes as possible is truly rewarding and motivating to me. I like "buying" myself a different things in store, like additional skills or keeping up my day streak, etc. It is also easier to "compete" with your friends.

So, yes, leave the "bar" but, please, don't abandon the "heart" system and don't entirely abandon the gaming dimension.

Thank you, Nektarije

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/capt.cacan

For this system to really work to its maximum potential (and this might be complicated to do). Doulingo should recognize the specific excercises that you fail in the same lesson and repeat them or very similar ones to the one you failed. This in order to really assure that you realized and corrected your mistake. It has happened to me that i might have failed a specific excersise but Doulingo gives me some random other excersises that i am good at and so i dont really correct my mistake, if im lucky (or unlucky) enough i wont get a similar excersise to help me learn by the end of the lesson. This might solve some peoples doubt about this new strength bar system, that i love since the first day i got to try it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SonyaMathe
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I feel that the new system has good qualities: it allows users to work through tricky lessons and learn the skill no matter how long it takes them.

However, there is an aspect that I do not like: the unilateral scoring system. While it was indeed irritating to lose on a lesson because of running out of hearts, it worked within the established system to motivate greater care in typing and focus. It also allowed users who excel at particular tasks to earn themselves some bonus points if they achieved perfect results. While I am not whining about the loss of extra points, I wish to point out that part of the motivation and attraction of duolingo is the video-game like quality of leveling-up. Now that all lessons are the same point value the levels lose their mysticism and become instead about simple calculation. I do not feel motivated to do more lessons than necessary as I know exactly how many lessons I need to accomplish to achieve the next level. For me as a learner of foreign languages, this was a key and unique aspect to the duolingo software: the motivation to do more than strictly necessary.

It seems that the current points allotment runs counter to the general directive.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lixpas

I has been said many times, but I also support lingot rewards for a perfect score with the new strength bar format (and the same for the timed practice). Other than that I really like the strength bar, it's much more motivating than the three heart format!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/InaraCouto
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My feelings exactly!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryspencer2

I have over 250 days playing Duolingo and although the power bar seems like a logical improvement I have found myself strangely, and almost immediately, demotivated by the change. The power bar system has made the exercises more of a drudgery for me to complete and I get less satisfaction when I do pass a level than when I did with the heart system (my heart used to be beating to not get another one wrong when I was on my last heart, which made it fun). I play on finishing my Italian tree (which I will do tomorrow) and soon cease playing thereafter. Being a Product Manager myself, I realize you can't support both methods (especially when the new way is showing increased engagement metrics), but it would be great if the existing users had a way to toggle between the two methods. I know which one I would choose.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/polomare

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Donna_Diana

I totally agree with you about motivation with the heart system vs. the power bar. I am a lot more motivated with the heart system. It has more of a "game" feel. I also feel like it motivates one to be more careful and thoughtful with answers, to avoid losing a heart. I have the power bar on my desktop, but still have the hearts on my android phone. I used to like to play Duolingo on the desktop because of features I can't access on my phone like reporting and changing settings. But now I almost exclusively use my phone app because I really don't enjoy the power bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daters
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There are way too many comments to read, so I am going to offer my opinion without reading further. I liked the hearts because it was like a game, with lives to lose. In fact, Duolingo's motto used to be something like "Learning, gamefied." I also liked getting extra xp by finishing with all my hearts. I dislike that I now get 10 xp whether I struggle forever or ace the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ferdzso
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I think it is important, that if I fail, then the "penalty" is the same, as losing a lesson. so if I lost 3 hearts at the last question, I had to redo everything, and while it is a bit tedious, it helps you learn faster. so as long as failiure is punished appropriately, it is fine (actually it is a pretty good idea, tbh)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ferdzso
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its only on the site, and not for timed practice :(

the first one hits me harder, I like to do the new lessons on my phone

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WaddlesNMabel

YAY! Now I won't fail on lessons or have to buy new hearts! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! :DDDDD

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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That sounds really good. I have been getting really frustrated with lessons in some of the languages that have more questions than others when I lose my last heart on the last question. I just don't feel like going through the whole thing again for no gain. I wish I was in that test group:~

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_lusofono_
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Does this begin today? If not, will we have advance notice about whether or not we're in the control group?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MariCostea
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thank you guys so much for your work! love the new system

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pk008

Aww :C I still have the hearts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SebastianMolin

same :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jillianimal

This is actually pretty neat, but I just bought a heart refill...my lingots! D:

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nutellaman
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I did a lesson but then the screen flashed that the system changed, I heard a sentence being said in the background, then the page reloaded and I got the old system.

This was about an hour or so ago, I think. maybe half an hour.

EDIT: just started a lesson and now it works fine. Must have been Joe Pesci huh :p

EDIT2: Aww, no more free lingot for making no mistakes?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BethanyJoyP

Wow. I so like this. And what wonderful timing... just yesterday, I had to re-do a lesson 3 times because I ran out of hearts, and I even had to buy hearts and everything to get through it all. So yeah, I really like this new method. Very exciting! =]

And, BTW, I got the blue bar. Really like it. ^_^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CaponiD
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I did one lesson with the strength bar and think it is great! Unfortunately I came back 20 minutes later to do another lesson and now it is back to using the heart system. What a tease! :) How do I get the strength bar back?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yimantuwingyai
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This happened to me just now, too. I want the blue bar back!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lucretiavan

I had a centered bar - and now suddenly Im bakc to heart again! ???

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Parham3679srsr
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That is perfect! I go for that idea. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ruakiu
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Excellent !!! I love it. I do prefer this style. It gives me more motivations. In the old format, sometimes I lost the last heart for the last question, then I had to do all over again.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffBow

Whether or not we lose hearts is not that important to me, but for a user like me that is not as dedicated or consistent as I wish I was, when I come back after several days (or longer), is there a way I could know whether it's more important to a) start a new lesson or b) strengthen weak strength bars? Also, are you saying the refresher lesson will go quicker if we do really well at the beginning? Thanks for the continued improvements!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rava-ananaso
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Aw, I still have hearts. D: I'm really curious and want to try this out.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/finn.fr
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Aghh!! This is great :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tvmwfn
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Lately I seem to take two tries to finish a practice session with the occasional silly error and the forgetting of words. I think this is the best mechanic for this kind of platform, at the very least for the practice rounds. A job very well done, Duolingo developers!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mattogucci

I really like this new format, and look forward to the adaptive lessons! Thank you for continuing to create such a great experience

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/harvard14

Awesome idea, just knowing you were involved in making it makes me think it will be ingenius already.. hopefully i'm in this test group! P.S Will you change the mobile apps to adapt to this system as well? Gracias :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

I have itttt! :D Except.... I don't use the website, I use the app.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/heqamaat
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I'll be interested to see how this works in action as I never had a problem with the heart system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phr0sty
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Like this format much better! Am more willing to trust my memory and move forward quicker. Not second quessing myself. Have the bar with the egg at the end, Si Si Gracias!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bryan5181

Well i love it seriously this website hasn't done anything wrong so far lol

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marco.Caruso.

I think a wrong answer should go two steps back, otherwise it's too easy - get one wrong, then get asked an easier question and get it right (particularly if it's a simple Q type, like the multiple choice).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rburch7

I am one of the 50% in which the new system is being implemented. I definitely approve, it was very frustrating failing a lesson and having to redo the entire thing from the start and wasting my time on stuff I already learned.

Good job.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/montaffera
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Cracked Egg showed for me too...I had to do 20 answers to get to the end but I liked it ;) no broken hearts, yaay!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ctome1

Just finished my first lesson using the new format, and so far I really like it! The stress factor of trying to get through the last question or two with no hearts left is not something I will miss.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Piotrekm89

I tried the strenght bar for two lessons and it seems to me that the previous system (with hearts) was more diverse. I had to use my mic all the time learning the pronunciation while now the only excercise (or 90% of the lesson) is translating text from the language I'm learning to the other one. Is it a bug or was I just unlucky to have such lessons?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/G0108

I got the one with the skill icon. It looks so nice and it is better than the heart system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ace_9653

I made three accounts before I finally got a skill icon one. I tried it out and it was amazing.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MintyNinja41
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I think you should be able to choose which system you want, in settings or something like that. That way, the lingot sytem's effectiveness isn't lost, since you can still get heart bonuses, and for learning new skills, the strength bar reinforces the new material until it's concretely understood.

The heart format helps to gamify Duolingo, and keep it motivating. Personally, I rely on motivation from the heart method to maintain my streak, but I also want to learn German very thoroughly. So, both methods should be available to the user.

I fight for the Users!® (TRON:Legacy)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jerimary

I think i liked how it kept track of how many i got wrong and gaining more points for the lessons and earning lingots. i like buying things from the store. how do we earn lingots in this trial test to buy stuff?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jerimary

Also for the spanish progress test you can buy, is there a way you can you see what you got right or wrong?? the first time i took it i was really looking forward to seeing my mistakes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zekecoma

I like the bar idea more than the hearts. The hearts were just frustrating to me.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Beta-Tron
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any chance of having the second bar displayed in blue, please? the green one isn't very good.. its a good idea though!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yimantuwingyai
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I also much prefer the blue.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jmartin7930
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Nice improvement, gracias

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xxChristina

I've found an issue: the old strength bar is still in the timed practice - or was that on purpose?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/W960216
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I am in the test group with the simple green bar. It's different but I'll reserve judgment for a while. There are lots of comments that perhaps the penalties shoud be tougher than the rewards. It is a tricky one but how about this model; correct always = +1, incorrect = -1 for the first two mistakes but -2 for the third. Then back to -1 for the 4th and fifth, -2 or even 3 for the sixth and so on? Failure can also be motivating. I chose to use the PC version because it is more challenging and i have to really concentrate on spelling, endings and acents.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sabienofficial
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I don't really like it, this new format seems less challenging to me as there's virtually no way to fail the lesson. I'm also already missing the heart bonuses at the end, to be honest :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SandraSilva17

I like this bar system it is not quite as frustrating as loosing all ones hearts well almost.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimmySoukone

This is much better than the heart system!!!!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alphabeta
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So much more encouraging! Rather than just giving up after losing all my hearts, this time when the sentences I had just got wrong came back up, I got them right.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/The_Great_Uniter

Great! I already have it! I think this new feature might be pretty good. I am about to test it myself so I can give you my honest opinion. Thank you again for the nice work.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/msjvenegas

I love it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/N-durri

I just miss earning my lingots and extra xp points. Can you please give us lingots for a perfect lesson in the new system? Now I've to work harder to earn my lingots :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cappie1980

I'm part of the test group, but I have a green centred bar with skill icon. I really like it. I did more skills today that normal, and I put it down to the bar and quitting when I would have lost my last heart on the last question because of a typo or something like that.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ejordan324

I love this idea! But... Is it possible to integrate this new bar with the 'timed practice'? I've always been a big fan of the timed practice and the way that it encourages me to think and produce quickly... but, since I spend a lot of time reviewing, I feel like I'm not making the most of it. Is there any support out there for this?? (Please say yes ;))

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrewr756
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So has it got easier or harder? I have been using it for a little while today and I'm undecided. On the one hand, sometimes you could scrape a pass in a lesson with 'only' 17 out of 20 correct, but now you know that if you keep going in a lesson you will pass eventually just by sheer persistence, regardless of how many wrong answers you give.......... What I will say is that I liked the motivation the previous system gave to finish a lesson with the full 20 correct answers and get the bonus lingot.. Either way, I love DL! :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tenmoon1
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I like the new bar system, I was starting to get frustrated with the heart system. Thank you for the change, it seemed to make my practice easier: )

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phr0sty
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Want to reiterate, posted earlier for the the first time ever. With limited time it was so frustrating to loose all credit when the hearts were used up. This system gives you credit and keeps you motivated. As long as you keep giving lingots for streaks this system is great! Please don't take my new bar with egg at end away!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CatherinGregory
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I already miss the hearts and the bonus for finishing a lesson correctly, the extra xp were a motivator. For me, something about this new system just doesn't feel right.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kalliona
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I'm now a lot further from level 14 than I was before because I cannot earn more than 10 points per lesson. This is frustrating. I finished most lessons with hearts to spare, but now there is no reward for making no or few mistakes. One idea would be to lower the points totals required to move up a level.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

Yeah, how do we earn lingots now? Just wait until we level up? I don't get it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anniejo99
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The strength bar so much better than the hearts, in my opinion! I miss a lot more questions in one skill, but that's because I don't have to restart the whole thing if I only mess up three times. I tend to get frustrated and give up more easily when I have to redo a skill 5 times in a row just to pass it, so the different system helps me to progress quicker and still learn everything I need to learn. Glad to be a part of that 50%! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rava-ananaso
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I envy you and everyone else. I want to be part of it, sigh. And I got my sister to log onto her account that she never uses, and of course she is part of the 50% and not me. D: That's life though.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johnhaug
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I am in the test group and have some mixed feelings. Like so many others, I HATED having to start over when I crashed on hearts, it was really frustrating. But now with the new system, there are no consequences to a wrong answer, so I found myself just typing as fast as possible to get through the practice. I got the same question wrong 2 or 3 times for the same reason, I just wasn't being careful. So it requires a bit more discipline, maybe that's just me.

Maybe one way around this would be to have the strength bar actually go negative. Right now, it seems you can't get less than 0. So even if you have 10 wrong answers in a row to start, the next correct answer puts you in the green, that's not an accurate picture of what happened.

The lingot thing is definitely an issue as enough people have already commented.

Thanks so much for trying new things and working to improve the process!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ksoo
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I like the second one (the blue one with the skill icon).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MilindPuri

I am on this system as of today, I prefer it, less frustration when I get more than 3 wrong, though takes longer to get points when trying to monitor progress against others

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hubbcap24

I really like the visual cue. My lessons just switched from the first to the second and I definitely prefer it that way. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/c3ntip3de

I LOVE it, I got switched to it for like 10 minutes but now it changed back to hearts :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Artilex

I HATE THE GREEN BAR!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

LOL, tell us how you really feel! :P I have the green bar. I think it's just fine. While I don't have the blue one, I don't see how it will motivate me any more or less than the green one. I just know that this is definitely better than the hearts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RoderickLy

I like the second blue bar better it goes with the blue of the website and it just looks better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AGoudge13
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Loving this idea. No need to restart an entire lesson because you ran out of hearts

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cblackmon

I actually really liked the heart system. I am sad to see that you changed it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/R4_Online
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I love this new progress bar! I feel way less stressed when trying to complete a lesson. I also like how repetition comes into play instead of, "Nope! Out of hearts, you lose!". I wonder if you'll change the timed practice to this format as well?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leslie_Duo

Of course, the sentimental side of me shall miss the hearts. But I do understand & appreciate the science behind the new system. I vote for the larger, centered bar w/ the skill icon. Thanks so much, Duolingo Team, for all that you do & have done! ¡Abrazos grandes!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/katiecski

I am really liking this new way of progressing through the lessons. Oftentimes I would get discouraged and give up if I had done a lesson more than three times after losing hearts and wouldn't return for days. This way I can power through a lesson, really ingraining the words I know I'm not fully understanding. Thanks for this change! I have seen the green bar, but not the blue bar yet.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EugeniaAT
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I love it! However, my bar is pink (I have a Stylish black background, so I'm not sure if it's Duolingo or me). I would love to have the green bar. The skill icon at the end of the bar is also great, I find very useful that it tells me how many exercises I did to complete the lesson. So, in conclusion, I think that the large centered bar with the skill icon, all in color green would be perfect. :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carlissa904

I am in the 50% that didn't get to try this out, but It sounds like something I would like better than the heart system! Most of the skill levels I can get though okay, but I have a mental block when it comes to Spanish adverbs and I've had to start over several times on the strengthen skills! However, with the new system, I may be up all night trying to get through one lesson!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alternia
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Darn, I don't have it. The streak of this continues. Hopefully it'll be rolled out to everyone soon.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pskully
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I think not having the hearts sound great! I like the blue bar idea better, as it gives you a visual of how close you are to achieving the goal. And I won't have to redo an entire lesson because I had typos!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kynicus

Hi everyone,

I am pretty new to duolingo and I really enjoy it. I am a fan of gamification in education and I think this is one of the most useful adaptations of these concepts I have so far discovered.

But with great enjoyment also comes great curiosity. Curiosity why some of the following features are not already implemented. I am myself no programmer but I cannot imagine some of them would be too hard to implement and would increase functionality and enjoyment by a lot:

1) function to show only the words of one category (e.g. all verbs - without having to scroll through the whole list of words) (i am aware of the listing function but I mean like a dropdown menu that really only shows one category of words when selected - since all the words are already categorized anyway it couldnt be that much work to implement such a function?)

2) function to only show the infinitive form of the verbs (it is misleading to include all declanations of the words into your accumulated vocabulary)

3) more purely aesthetic/cosmetic items you can buy with lingots (like building up some avatar or something similar - something that besides your xp and level visualizes progress and rewards the brain)

Regarding the strengthbar, I personally like the blue one better. I am part of the treatment group with the green bar. Also, when filling the strengthbar without making a single mistake, you should still be rewarded a lingot. Making duolingo more accessible for everyone is no reason to take away enjoyment from the very motivated and competitive - at least in this case there is no tradeoff i can see.

Best regards,

Kynicus

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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This is so much better. I find the old system so frustrating, especially considering when you are on a roll you are able to keep running through the levels without interruption, but when you make too many mistakes, you are dumped unceremoniously back to the start, and have to scroll and page all they way down just to get to where you were...

The system more or less just says 'Go home' the way it is now, and it is even more aggravating when it is just for something like typing 'too' instead of 'to' or 'then' instead of 'than' or them, which is pretty much destined to happen on a smartphone keyboard. I am not part of the test group, but god oh god I hope it proves successful, so that I don't one day end up eating my phone on account of dumb typos that I can't avoid making...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GregHullender
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An alternative might be to require that you finish with 80% or more correct, but for each wrong answer past the fifth one, offer to add five more questions for the price of one lingot--up to a max of maybe 50 questions in one lesson.

Then you could continue to offer the XP bonus based on number of wrong answers (0 gets 3 plus a lingot, 1 gets 2, 2 wrong gets 1 point, and three or more wrong gets nothing.) Lingots would still be worth something too.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wolf_of_Salbura
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Great idea. Thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Afia
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I do not like this method . I want back the hearts and lingot By Zero Error

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidOldacre

This is a great enhancement - Thank you very much for the change

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TiffanyMat4

This is a really good idea. The hearts always get me frustrated since I hate restarting lessons. (P.S. The blue bar is way nicer!)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ReckHarvey

This is the system I've always wanted. You can welcome me back to Duolingo.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BleachedCrayon

OMG! I want this!!! Please let me have this!! PLEASE!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lingo.berry

I actually dislike this method, but hey, I'm new to it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zakblak
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I think this new system will be a big hit! Already I have tried several lessons and I like it much better! I always got frustrated when I was on the last question and I lost that last heart!

However, I am disappointed to see that my mobile application has not changed. I will most likely be doing my lessons on the computer to try out the recent change until it comes to the mobile platform.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DootDootx5
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I love it! I could get soooo frustrated because of the heart system... and I feel like having no pressure will help learning much more compared to when you can ''lose''. Thank you so much!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dimi_Dimi1

Dear That is a good idea, I am new here, hopefully, you all can lead me here

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/baldwinj

Hard to figure out what is going on. I got at various times blue bars, green bars and red bars. Apparently it is impossible to get more than 10 points but hard to tell how many one has to get right to finish. Less satisfying than the earlier game but if the rules were clear it might be ok.

ONe difficulty is that when I lost a few point before by playing too fast I could slow down and finish. Now I have to slow down and play much longer.

What do the colors mean?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MihirParek

I really like the new bar. Great way to ensure you only move ahead once you're well versed with the material. The one suggestions i would make is bring back the lingot reward for completing with full hearts (or in this case, filling the bar with 0 mistakes). I felt that was a great motivator to keep repeating the exercise until i was fluent

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Panda7090
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As a part of the test group with the blue bar, I personally find it MUCH more motivating and engaging not to have to worry about losing a heart and having to start the lesson all over again. I did like the idea of extra points when one kept his/her hearts, but that's really a small price to pay for the new system. It makes me want to learn more, and also seems to allow me to retain the information in the lesson better. Thank you, Luis!

P.S. I, as many others in the comments section, prefer the blue bar to the old green one. It definitely adds a futuristic, progressive feel to the website that corresponds well with both feelings of motivation and Duolingo's general layout and color scheme.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mephili
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I like it. The new way is less stressful.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CelloJester

I like the new system better. I have the green bar. I think it will help mastery and motivation and encourage long term memory, not short term remember-it-for-the-last-question.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FresnoVegas
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I love it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeIouch

Sounds like an interesting update :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KaiBark
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How will this affect lingots? I feel like there should be some more things to purchase with them, like maybe a free peek in a test? I don't really know what to do with mine now

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/llamalovers000

I like the larger blue one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GwendolenCE

No... I want this so much!!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DogePamyuPamyu

The second bar is prettier but dang it I wanna try. I guess I'm in the 50% that's not cool.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tommaso_S
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I was just getting very tired of the heart system yesterday, and when I started today, BOOM, progress bar! Nice work :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/darklord0211

I like it like this, especially if I do make a lot of mistakes but still finish it, I can always go back and strengthen my skills.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pcampisi
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I saw this earlier today, and I really liked it a lot. I hope it stays.

Oddly enough, I only received it for 1 section. The rest of the sections are still 3 hearts and you're out. Is it supposed to be like that? After seeing the new format, I'd much rather keep it than go back to the hearts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GibbyMcGinge
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Really like it. As others have said - no more frustration through making a typo and having to restart! Good one! A big thank you to the efforts of the team behind Duolingo for continuously reviewing and improving it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piongain

I'm loving it so far. I like how I can continue in the same lesson and not have to restart it again due to loss of hearts. I have the blue line graphic with the bubble at the end & I like it. As far as lingots go and as far as giving them away to others for encouragement, well, that can be handled with words of encouragement anyway and also with the up vote on the particular comment. Pues, sobretodo ... se me lo parece mejor (la nueva sistema). Now if I could only say THAT in Irish ... haha ... in time, in time.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HolyT
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Bring back the lingot for a perfect score and the bonus XP for missing 3 or fewer questions. Take me out of the test group, please. Thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erdnaoluap
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hi holyT. What would you say if you could customize your Duolingo, I mean, choose the settings the way you like to learn better?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HolyT
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erdnaluap: That would be fantastic! It would be great for other features, too, such as the presence or absence of the XP indicator. I would think that allowing such choices would not be too difficult, technically. After all, Duolingo already routinely divides users into A/B test groups with different features turned on or off. Have a (now more precious) lingot!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stegsy
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Any mechanism that leads me to believe I have learned something new today is fine by me. I am just grateful you have taken the time to try something new but you can paint the moon blue for me if it improves my Spanish!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sessisie
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I find it much more motivational and a better learning experience. It is brilliant. Thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wamoz

A thousand times "Thank You'! I was so frustrated with the hearts that I recently posted a request to "Cut Some Slack" ... this simple change has done just that! After just 3-4 lessons, I'm feeling much more empowered and enthusiastic.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JuusoN

I like it! No more failing on the last question because of a typo! Addendum: This is super helpful in German, where most of my mistakes are gender-related!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wonderboy6
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I definitely prefer the centered bar also I think when you get a question wrong it should take away more of the bar, Ithink 3 correct answers worth will be best,, thanks for the amazing upddate! ^^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cblackmon

I think you should have the option of earning hearts or using the bar. I agree that earning lingots for perfect lessons and beating the hearts was one of the motivations for doing the lessons. Just waiting for the bar to fill up does not motivate me nearly as much. I don't care what color the bar is...bring back the hearts!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LiliB.
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Congrats! I think it's a much better way to learn, since sometimes I didn't mind getting the answers right, since I had all my hearts left, but now I have more motivation!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/merlinblack256

This is great! It removes a lot of the frustration, especially from losing a heart to a silly error like a spelling mistake in your native language. Now it's just 'Opps, that was silly.' and you do another question. Also it allows you to breeze through stuff you know, but automatically spend more time on things you need to. Thumbs up!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kapteinthomas
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Love the new format!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katters

I'm really happy with this change. There were so many lessons where I ran out of hearts on the last or second to last question. This makes it a lot easier to do a lesson here or there without failing and having to redo lessons constantly. Thanks!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asperganoid
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Great idea. I found the heart system made learning a side issue and it became more of a 'game', trying to get over the hurdle without losing hearts rather than assimilating what you're learning. this will keep the education bit burning brightly.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gaelen23

Thanks for everything here. Duolingo is an extraordinary learning experience. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shnilje
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I just tried it, and I really love the new version! I have the blue bar, and I think that one looks the best.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OllieCass

Fantastic! A much better system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/M1701

I just tried this in a new language. What I didn't like was that on the PC I can't see how long I have to go before the bar is complete. It should have some sort of gradation so you know where you are. On the heart system the fact that I was three bars away from the end would make me finish rather than come back later (that is on the mobile app though).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CCatney
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Luis, I agree with the rationale for the change and the desirability of adapting lessons to the learner. I also understand that analysis of data from learners in each group offers Duolingo an opportunity to demonstrate effectiveness or to test hypotheses related to learning. However, I am dismayed that, once again, I have been subjected to a major change without warning, without explanatory information BEFORE proceeding, and without the opportunity to choose whether to participate. The old progress bar combined with hearts provided me with a simple, concrete way of understanding my progress. Lessons and reviews were limited to 20 items, but these now seem to be open-ended, with an unpredictable number of items. For me, this means restructuring how I approach the learning task to fit it to my available time. I would be very happy if Duolingo limited these kinds of changes to NEW Duolingo users rather than imposing them on all users without their consent.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/atsbw
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I really like the strength bar overall. However, this makes lingots a bit harder to get. I suggest that if you complete the lesson without any mistakes (same as the old heart system), you get a lingot.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tara668
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I like the new mechanic much better. I didn't mind being booted from an exercise for lack of hearts, because I'm here for the practice and I can always choose to keep practicing. But this new setup provides a much more positive environment than the breaking hearts, and that helps keep me in an optimal state of mind for learning.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TerreyP

I just checked, and I am not selected for this new system. Please move me to it ASAP. Like [I believe] most people on Duolingo, I am more interested in learning the langauage than in playing games. As others have already said, the [losing] heart system is often frustrating and inhibits experimenting in favour of known answers.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melarish
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For accurate results, they have to assign the groups randomly. Otherwise people who like the system will volunteer to test it, most of them will get better results and it will look as if the system was effective. If they assign randomly, they can find out whether it actually improves results for a range of people ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kibo-Chopper
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Sounds great!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pyleic

I've got the blue bar, and I really like it, to the point I can't imagine having the green one. The blue one just seems.. More encouraging? It puts your progress in the spotlight instead of an afterthought.

(and god forbid, don't you dare bring back the hearts, they were nothing but a hassle; I'd finally get my bearings in a lesson but by then I'd have no hearts left, so I'd have to tiptoe through the lesson, using mouseover hints for everything in fear of messing up and having to start over.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lasp2005

I want my hearts back. Why do people seem like they die in the middle of the game

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KCarw
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~CLAP CLAP CLAP~ Awesome, very very awesome. But I am still waiting for the experience bar. :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tpark
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I believe that this is a significant over the previous system. It seems better for actual learning, although it may be less favorable to those who like the "game" aspect of the lessons.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/griffithschool

I love this idea! It's so much more motivational and this way I'll be sure to practice my trouble areas as much as I need to, since I can't just miss three, get frustrated, ad try something else. Thanks for constantly improving our Duo experience! This site is seriously one of the most awesome free learning tools out there!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nkosi
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The simple green bar is great! Also thanks for refunding the lingots. Those didn't come by easy for us. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HolyT
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And now they are even harder to come by.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nkosi
nkosi
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I wish there were things to spend them on too.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WordFitlySpoken
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I'm part of the test group with the blue bar, and I do like the design (and the hearts going away), but I agree with some of the others on the lingot/extra XP thing, and also the questions about "does this really help us learn it better?"

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wrenbob
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Just tried the new strength bar and found it frustrating! I do not know where I stand how many questions till the end and will it ever end? I prefer the hearts, the rush it gives me to make it through to the end with no hearts left. (I have never bought a heart). I do not mind doing the lessons over. I find it more helpful to redo a lesson and realize what my mistakes were and make them right the second time. AT LEAST WE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE CHOICE ON HOW TO STUDY. HEARTS OR BAR. I feel stuck and not happy with duo for not letting me choose.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Louiswu15
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Having tried the new system in Swedish, I prefer it to the old heart system. I do have a question, though. How will you advance to the next level in your language of study, since it is currently based on XPs?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spinkinks

Hmmm, I was put in a test group midway through practise yesterday but today I'm back on the old format. Odd.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/InaraCouto
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I like the new system, but I have noticed that I am no longer being given a lingot when I finish a lesson without having made any mistakes. Has the lingot awarding system been changed as well?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/von_peter
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Thank you very much! This is soooooo much less frustrating! I like the large bar btw. But maybe it gets to easy and people concentrate less? I personally would suggest to loose 2 points on the baar for every wrong answer. That is still not too frustrating, but people will sconcetrate more to answer right.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wakz
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Don't like it

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/homefire

I definitely like this better! I always hated it when I made a stupid mistake on the last question and had to do it all over. This is not so disheartening! ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anachron

This is great and makes perfect sense from a language learning perspective. With the hearts system, you were essentially punishing learners for making mistakes, by letting them fail the lesson and see the sad owl. But in language learning, failing and making mistakes is actually a good thing: it shows you are practising.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdrianJosh
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please implement this asap!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nbsnyder
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I love it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/harugohan
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I know this has already been said, but I just wanted to throw in another data point for a much improved system! I have the green bar (just fyi). I wonder if another new use for the lingots could be to buy/upgrade to different styles of bar? maybe some that make the bar the colors of the flag of the language you're learning, others that just have silly patterns, motivational sayings (like spelling out "you're almost there!" as you get close), or even just some variation of roygbiv colors. Also, I just want to say that the 'bonus' lessons you can add for flirting and stuff is awesome! I really wish there were more of them though! Maybe some that are geared toward special topics like technology, fantasy, medicine, etc? Lastly, sorry to hear that Google is doing away with Luis Van Ahn's reCaptcha!! :( I hope your system was able to help translate change a lot of scans into texts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ijz3r
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I don't really like this. I feel like it's making my lessons take longer; they were initially only taking about 5ish minutes, but now they are taking up 10 or more minutes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmandaGutridge

I'm in the greenbar testing group. I don't really mind the new way of testing, but I would prefer a way to earn Lingots from a perfect lesson. I'm a student and the connection at my school is spotty at best, so I often buy streak freezes incase the internet goes out on campus (and it has) and I can't continue with my streak. I have discovered that the app still gives lingots with perfect lessons, so I guess I can just not update the app until such a function returns to the website, but I really would prefer not to have to go to the app to do a few lessons for Lingots if I don't have to. The website is easier for me, it is easier for me to type then text.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/echotimesthree
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Came here to say this is a great improvement! Before, if I was low on hearts, I would stop trying to understand what I was doing and just work formulaically to get through the lesson without restarting. Now I focus more on the lesson until I really learn it. Please make this a long term thing!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hudsoc370

I am in the test group, and do not like the new system. Before I could sit and do a quick practice or lesson and know quickly if I mastered the skill, or didn't, and could decide to spend more time or not. Now, the lesson goes on...and on if I am not doing well, but I can't easily leave it, or I loose what I have done so far. I much preferred the hearts, as it gave me quick feedback on how well I was doing with that skill.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeIouch

It's much better like this :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DerikBarnett
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so I do like the idea but the only problem I have is now it's much harder to earn lingots, where it used to be easy to get them for doing a lesson perfectly, even lessons you've already completed, now you can only get them by leveling up or finishing a lesson, and some lessons are pretty long.

I feel like although i love the idea that now we can't fail a lesson by losing all our hearts, there should still be a reward for doing a lesson perfectly

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StoyanGogov78

great idea, thanks!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Caversham
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Not exactly an incentive, as we now get only 10 points instead of 13 for each lesson successfully completed, and moving up to the next level will take much longer.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/antspants01
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I like the idea of melding both the old and the new. Do away with the hearts, just don't take away the ability to get lingots. I like collecting them not so much for myself but to give them away to discussions or people that have helped me and deserve them but now I will be doing that a lot less.

I can see the need to change certain aspects of the site, and think it was kind of cheating grinding the basics lesson and getting lingots but a good compromise could be that you only get lingots for completing new lessons and revising degraded ones. Taking away the latter feels a little harsh...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jamieneths

I think there should be an option depending on whether someone prefers the strength bar or the 3 heart system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pretzel_Rodgers

This is great! I like the strength bar more.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spinne987

It seem that I'm in the minority but I don't like the strength bar - yes, I have typos just like a lot of people here and yes, they have lost me a lot of hearts. (Especially since I'm learning Spanish from English and I'm not a Native English speaker). But I find that I am much less engaged in the lessons with the strength bar because I don't loose any hearts from the typos nor from any mistakes. So, even if I don't fully get a concept, I do know the answer after seeing the same question five times...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Carnini
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Yay! I have the second type with the skill icon and it looks amazing! Also, being all the frustration from losing all hearts just before the end of a lesson taken away, I enjoy learning new lessons much more. Big thumb up. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Phr0sty
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The streak keeps me coming back. I have family care issues that keep me busy day and night. The new system encourages me to do a full lesson versus getting a few points to keep my streak. My week has been exhausting. But I did a full lesson because I new I would get credit, learned more than I would have with the hearts. It is working for me. thank you

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yash6694

So, how do we earn lingots then? It seems like I can't earn them even if I get all answers right..

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/petestueve

I have been using duolingo an insane amount more with the upgraded feature and for the first time translated some documents. Definitely either keep the feature or if you one day decide to do away with maybe leave in as an option to check. I love it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rachael.cr3
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I support this totally. The heart system was always really annoying to me - this seems much useful and better suited to a learning environment. I'm not tense about the hearts - I'm just going on to the next phrase. Keep it, please!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alipheese

This is absolutely brilliant, I hated the hearts system with an absolute passion. This is everything I wanted and more, there is no doubt I'll be using this website a lot more now.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Saartje93
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I like the system with the bar, but I think something should be done about the lingots... It requires finishing 15 skills to be able to do one of the bonus skills... And I also like to do the full practice of 25 lingots, but it becomes totally impossible now. So it is actually not motivating me anymore if I need to finish 10 more skills of 6 to 8 subdivisions before I can test my knowledge completely... So a good solution may be to reward a lingot if you did everything right in a session.

But overall I consider it to be an improvement!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ToWiK
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Can this be made optional? I think the heart method is more challenging, and is motivational for me. With the new system, I know I am going to get through the lesson - so it is less intense. On a tough new lesson, with the old system I really am forced to focus. That is helpful for me. I understand why some prefer the new method, but I'd stay with the old method if I had a choice.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OlegEpstein

I can see following information in Lingot store:

"Earn 1 lingot for finishing a lesson with full hearts"

Will we get 1 lingot for a lesson without mistakes ?

Anyway, this information should be adjusted to the new system, because there are no more hearts in the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SusannaEDavis420

I really like this new feature! Without the hearts, I am more apt to take chances and not look at the answers before answering. This way I get a better idea about what I'm really learning and remembering. Also I'm more willing to take chances to see what other translations might work in an answer. This will give more flexibility and expand our mastery of Spanish. Thank you for changing this!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asperganoid
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I've realized, languages such as French, which i struggle with and stop learning because of little mistakes like plural modification, has become easier to learn with this new bar format. i can make as many mistakes without dreading having to repeat a lesson (which is disheartening).

thank you duolingo!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cangysuff

are there no lingots anymore? I have got a few units right without any mistakes and have not been 'rewarded' with lingots.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lindann2

The heart "game" was enjoyable. It made language acquisition fun - the new bar method is rather like going to school. Boring. I would prefer to see the hearts re-instituted. Otherwise my Rosetta Stone will again look attractive. It would have been more productive to work on ensuring that your translations and hovers were far more accurate! Linda

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fredhughmiller

but what about the full heart bonuses?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mcdunc
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Love the strength bar format. Hate the red color bar you started using today... makes me feel like I got them all wrong. Keep the green colored bar, it's more positive.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johnlvs2run

The red bar is ugly and means stop. Put back the green bar, which means progress and success.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marcownz747

I'm in love with this idea. Though some might say it's a bit...

puts on shades - disheartening.

YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lana_Darkess

sigh...gifts lingot

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HeavenlyYaksha

Please sir, I urge you to get rid of the system for coach. Check other posts from other users. Most users are not pleased with this new feature.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HeavenlyYaksha

Please sir, I urge you to get rid of the system for coach. Check other posts from other users. Most users are not pleased with this new feature.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/godomihaela
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I would like to ask something. I have installed Duolingo on my android and there the changes are not made. I uninstalled it and then installed it again. Still no changes. Can anyone explain to me how could I continue to practice, but with the new ”no hearts” rule? Because on the android the hearts are still there. And if I continue practicing on the android and then on the computer, what I did on the android is not recognized. Thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CorryEngelbrecht

I was switched from the green bar to the blue bar today. It has the little number there that shows how many questions you've answered. I don't like that portion of it at all. It only frustrates me more if I'm on a frustrating lesson. I prefer the green bar. Not because it's green -- I could care less about how it looks -- but because it didn't taunt me.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rjanalik
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I like this system more than the hearts. Here are my reasons.

Sometimes I found some very difficult lesson I was not able to pass. There were a few sentences I didn't know and whenever I saw one of these sentences I knew I'll answer wrong. After few attempts I decided to try it the next day, but the next it was the same. And after some days I gave it up and didn't return to that lesson for weeks. Now I'll pass it and after a few days the strength bar will go down and I will repeat it.

Before when I had only three worng answers, I was checking the hint of every word I wasn't 100% sure just to not make a mistake. Now I prefer to try it even if I'm not very sure because the worst what can happen is that I'll need to answer one mor sentence instead of repeating everything.

Some said that they are missing a bonus (lingots and more XPs) for making no mistake. It is nice to have some motivation, but for me better motivation is the fact that I finished some lesson and I keep full strength at as much lessons as possible.

I usually use the Android app while sitting in the bus, but since I discovered this feature I prefer the web app. It's simply less frustrating.

I hope this feature will be in the Android app soon. It would be a nice Christmas gift.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexandreO23

I think it is an excellent idea however the punishment when you do a mistake is too light, when there was the hearts the difficulty level was bigger than now and consequently the level of retention was bigger too . It should to be more harder than now.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dewluca

Honestly astonished that DL thinks the type of strength bar is some major innovation in language learning pedagogy! Look at the goals listed in the original post and please tell us how this bar change will do anything toward those lofty goals . . . Glad everyone is so excited, but PLEASE stop pretending cosmetic changes are about actual learning . . . green, blue, red, purple . . . WOW.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CeNedraRiva

I reckon you should use a combination, both the strength bar and the hearts. I'm in the test group, so I've had the strength bar for a bit now. It's great for learning new material since it keeps cycling the questions round, and has a bit of wiggle room for mistakes. It's less stressful.

But for "Strengthen skills" section it gets really frustrating. I use it to measure my overall progress with the language and test my skills. With the heart system, practice was stressful in a positive way, and I would rake my brain for the correct answer to not lose a heart. Now I have no set goal (eg. complete with full hearts) to measure my progress against, and no consequence if I get something wrong.

The point of Duolingo is to teach language, and you say you want to be more adaptive to individuals? Perhaps once the strength bar test run is over, you could release both forms of measuring lesson progress and allow individual users to specify which they'd prefer in settings. It is obvious some people find the strength bar far easier to work with, but others find it less motivating since there is no risk or reward.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CeNedraRiva

I reckon you should use a combination, both the strength bar and the hearts. I'm in the test group, so I've had the strength bar for a bit now. It's great for learning new material since it keeps cycling the questions round, and has a bit of wiggle room for mistakes. It's less stressful.

But for "Strengthen skills" section it gets really frustrating. I use it to measure my overall progress with the language and test my skills. With the heart system, practice was stressful in a positive way, and I would rake my brain for the correct answer to not lose a heart. Now I have no set goal (eg. complete with full hearts) to measure my progress against, and no consequence if I get something wrong.

The point of Duolingo is to teach language, and you say you want to be more adaptive to individuals? Perhaps once the strength bar test run is over, you could release both forms of measuring lesson progress and allow individual users to specify which they'd prefer in settings. It is obvious some people find the strength bar far easier to work with, but others find it less motivating since there is no risk or reward.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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Aw. I 'miss the challenge of either trying to complete the lesson with all three hearts left, or trying to complete it at all if I lose all three hearts near the beginning.

Now, if I make too many mistakes, it feels like the lesson is going to go on and on forever.

If this new mechanism is going to stay, it would be great is there could be an indication of how many answers I got wrong, both during the lesson and at the end.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daters
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There are way too many comments to read, so I am going to offer my opinion without reading further. I liked the hearts because it was like a game, with lives to lose. In fact, Duolingo's motto used to be something like "Learning, gamefied." I also liked getting extra xp by finishing with all my hearts. I dislike that I now get 10 xp whether I struggle forever or ace the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daters
Daters
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There are way too many comments to read, so I am going to offer my opinion without reading further. I liked the hearts because it was like a game, with lives to lose. In fact, Duolingo's motto used to be something like "Learning, gamefied." I also liked getting extra xp by finishing with all my hearts. I dislike that I now get 10 xp whether I struggle forever or ace the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daters
Daters
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There are way too many comments to read, so I am going to offer my opinion without reading further. I liked the hearts because it was like a game, with lives to lose. In fact, Duolingo's motto used to be something like "Learning, gamefied." I also liked getting extra xp by finishing with all my hearts. I dislike that I now get 10 xp whether I struggle forever or ace the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/peter.kristof.hu
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An excellent idea, I like it very much. Note that should be added counters for right and wrong answers to the Strength Bar (e.g. 30/10 20).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PhilHoward

I find the "Strength" bar very ineffective, in fact, demotivating. I've used Duolingo for probably 2 years, off and on (mostly off). The "Strength" bar is meaningless. For example, I have not been on Duolingo for a few months, and my Strength bars are still showing 3 our of 4. There is no indication as to when or where I should review.

So I use Duolingo for a while and then I lose motivation for it, and go on to something else.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Anna.Davidson

I may be in the minority, but I really miss the hearts. I feel like I'm breezing through lessons that I haven't really figured out yet. Before, if something was challenging I was forced to try the lesson again and again and again until I got it right. I feel like I learned more the other way.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/David174705

I'm glad I found this explanation. When I stopped seeing hearts I thought I'd gone nuts. I also noticed that my lessons were taking longer to complete, because you simply add new questions when I miss some. I think this will allow me to take chances on getting the accent marks correct since I won't get kicked off the session for losing my hearts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/patgrt

but when I finish the segment the amount that it shows I earned is not the same as is shown on the scale to reach the next level????

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lupeeloo

Actually, I was disappointed when the hearts were eliminated, because I was focusing on getting the most correct and fewest incorrect responses. Of course, now that can be done easily by seeing my number on the bar when it fills up. What puzzles me now is that when I fill up a bar, the points I receive don't seem to be related to how many correct and/or incorrect responses I gave. Why is that?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lupeeloo

Actually, I was disappointed when the hearts were eliminated, because I was focusing on getting the most correct and fewest incorrect responses. Of course, now that can be done easily by seeing my number on the bar when it fills up. What puzzles me now is that when I fill up a bar, the points I receive don't seem to be related to how many correct and/or incorrect responses I gave. Why is that?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/millerfamilymom

I feel the same. I have tried to get an answer about what is meant by the number since it seems to have an inverse relationship with correct answers.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChrisLucie2

I like it, the funny thing is my wife's has the heart system while I have the strength bars, I am able to progress much farther, I often find myself sitting in traffic for a few hours and I don't even notice as I just keep on going in DuoLingo

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pgalato
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The heart system really compelled me to repeat and repeat and had a postive effect on my retention, spontenaiety and easy of speech and comprehension over time. So even though I lost hearts due to silly erros, the ultimate outcome was broader and deeper comprehension over time. Also, the hearts made me want to compete, I was gaming for something and by removing them you remove that motivation too.

I would suggest allowing users to select the heart scoring system from a drop down menu giving users a choice. The psychology of learning and retention varies. For me the heart system is most effective - so keep both.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pgalato
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The heart system really compelled me to repeat and repeat and had a postive effect on my retention, spontenaiety and easy of speech and comprehension over time. So even though I lost hearts due to silly erros, the ultimate outcome was broader and deeper comprehension over time. Also, the hearts made me want to compete, I was gaming for something and by removing them you remove that motivation too.

I would suggest allowing users to select the heart scoring system from a drop down menu giving users a choice. The psychology of learning and retention varies. For me the heart system is most effective - so keep both.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pgalato
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The heart system really compelled me to repeat and repeat and had a postive effect on my retention, spontenaiety and easy of speech and comprehension over time. So even though I lost hearts due to silly erros, the ultimate outcome was broader and deeper comprehension over time. Also, the hearts made me want to compete, I was gaming for something and by removing them you remove that motivation too.

I would suggest allowing users to select the heart scoring system from a drop down menu giving users a choice. The psychology of learning and retention varies. For me the heart system is most effective - so keep both.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pgalato
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The heart system really compelled me to repeat and repeat and had a postive effect on my retention, spontenaiety and easy of speech and comprehension over time. So even though I lost hearts due to silly erros, the ultimate outcome was broader and deeper comprehension over time. Also, the hearts made me want to compete, I was gaming for something and by removing them you remove that motivation too.

I would suggest allowing users to select the heart scoring system from a drop down menu giving users a choice. The psychology of learning and retention varies. For me the heart system is most effective - so keep both.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pgalato
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There are two SEPARATE questions. 1. Does getting rid of hearts engage more users in Duolingo? [IMPORTANTLY - how is Duolingo measuring engagement?

  1. Does the heart system improve retention and motivation of those who stick with it? or is their no effect?

It seems that these questions are better addressed in more controlled experiements. I would suggest (1) recruiting duo lingo users into an experimental and control group (2) half get the heart system the other half the new system (3) each group must log the same number of hours each day using both systems (4) a sophisticated follow up test would measure differences in: (i) retention; (ii) listening comprehension; (iii) reflexiveness/reaction time; (v) speaking; and reading comprehension

I'd be happy to help duolingo design the protocol; its my field.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swampsparrow
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I really like the strength bar. Because I don't have to worry about not being able to finish a lesson if I make one-too-many mistakes, I'm willing to take risks such as trying an alternate translation to see if that works and to guess at new words. As a result, I'm learning more. It's a great change to the way we do lessons. Thank you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/talloCosta

I understand the reasons most people like the new bar system but for me it decreases excitement and motivation to practice because of the following reasons: 1 - Possibility of failure makes me try harder. 2 - The feeling of accomplishment was better before, especially when I finished a lesson with full hearts. 3 - Sometimes I felt thrilled because I had no extra hearts and I was not sure about the last answer. This is a very good thing. 4 - Failing a lesson meant that I was not good enough and this does not bother me at all. It is quite the opposite as the old system makes more clear which skills I had to practice more.

I hope that, in the future, we can choose between the existing bar systems, because now I realize that I love the old one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/talloCosta

I understand the reasons most people like the new bar system but for me it decreases excitement and motivation to practice because of the following reasons: 1 - Possibility of failure makes me try harder. 2 - The feeling of accomplishment was better before, especially when I finished a lesson with full hearts. 3 - Sometimes I felt thrilled because I had no extra hearts and I was not sure about the last answer. This is a very good thing. 4 - Failing a lesson meant that I was not good enough and this does not bother me at all. It is quite the opposite as the old system makes more clear which skills I had to practice more.

I hope that, in the future, we can choose between the existing bar systems, because now I realize that I love the old one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Donna_Diana

talloCosta, I couldn't agree with you more! I was also much more motivated by the heart system. Someone recently posted here about how we can supposedly get the hearts back. I'm going to try it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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Can you post a link to where it says how we can get our hearts back, or say how to find it if it's in this discussion? I really dislike the new mechanism almost more than I really liked the hearts mechanism.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Donna_Diana

Hola BarbaraMorris! Como estas? :) There is a post by a user named SoroushiForoushi almost at the end of this thread, in which he/she explains how one can supposedly get the hearts back. I tried it, but couldn't make it work. I messaged this person directly to ask for more information, so we'll see.

I know we are in the minority with a preference for the hearts system, but I'm with you - I really liked the hearts, and I dislike the strength bar so much, I'm wondering if I'll even keep using DL now. It's an amazing resource, especially because it's free, but that may not be enough to keep me going long-term, without the fun and challenge that the hearts system provided.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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Thanks for the pointer to SoroushiForoushi's post. I wonder if maybe that doesn't work any more because they completely removed the Hearts system.

About staying with Duolingo, you could take on two other challenges: 1) keep your streak going and 2) keep the completed part of your tree gold.

Keeping my streak going gets me to Duolingo every day even if it is just to review one lesson. The nice thing about lesson review is that it doesn't use the strength bar, but instead just does 20 questions, so even if there are no actual hearts, it's still easy to see that it was a perfect lesson. At least at the end of the lesson. It does miss the excitements of either still having all three hearts or of not having any hearts left and still trying to complete the lesson.

If you want to try keeping your streak going, you can buy "Streak Freeze" from the Lingot store. That allows you to miss one day. Then if you miss one day, your Streak Freeze goes away, and you have to get at least one point the next day (and buy Streak Freeze again for the next time you miss). I think I have had to buy Streak Freeze about 10 times so far. (But in my defense, at least half of them have been because I was a couple of minutes after midnight or because I was travelling (I think it uses your home time zone to track when you get your points).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Donna_Diana

Sounds like that probably is the case, that the hearts system has been completely removed so there is no way to access it anymore. I'm so disappointed. But I appreciate your suggestions on how to stay motivated to stick with Duolingo.

I will try to stick with it; who knows, maybe Luis or one of the powers that be will listen to our minority at some point and allow us to have the hearts back, or some other version that would give similar enjoyment.

I have been trying to keep my streak going and have bought the "Streak Freeze" a few times myself. I've gotten up to around 60 twice, but I work as a registered nurse, and sometimes have a crazy couple of days where it seems all I can fit in is eat, sleep and work! But I will keep trying. I have my minimum set at 10XP; I will back it down to 1XP for those crazy days or when I feel like I really don't want to be there, but do want to keep my streak going.

Also a good idea to try to keep the tree gold. Regarding the lesson review, I do still get that dreaded strength bar on my phone, where I use DL the most. But maybe the desktop version won't have it. If so, maybe I'll start using DL there more. Hasta luego!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sinloth

I like this system, I was just really surprised when all of a sudden the hearts were gone :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deusexmatter
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@Luis; Well the one that I see when I log in is the larger, centered bar that includes the skill icon, which I like better than hearts but, I don't think the heart system should be replaced at the expense of earning Lingots. I would still like to receive a Lingot when I don't get any answers wrong, i.e. for a perfect game.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deusexmatter
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Well the one that I see when I log in is the larger, centered bar that includes the skill icon, which I like better than hearts but, I don't think the heart system should be replaced at the expense of earning Lingots. I would still like to receive a Lingot when I don't get any answers wrong, i.e. for a perfect game.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lelapprend

Lingots seem to have disappeared completely as a reward with this change??

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ColinBo

Can I change to the new system?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Candra18
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I only tried it once. At this point, I much prefer the heart system but realize I may change my mind with more attempts.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Blv08

Mine doesn't show up

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/defiantoli

you may not be in the trial. It was only for 50% of the users of duolingo at the moment. :-(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rozzie
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Gracias por consiguiendo eliminate de las corazones

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hyla_bifurca
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Me gusta!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dclarkduolingo

Like it better than hearts

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiogoFelipe

Great

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YESSIKA2014

ESTÁ GENIAL, MUCHO MEJOR ASÍ.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YESSIKA2014

Por favor ponga esta barra también para los que aprendemos inglés desde español, los corazones esos son insoportables., fastidia mucho cuando se acaban y entonces tienes que volver a comenzar, este nuevo sistema es muchísimo mejor y no cansa.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rassilon12

Great

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/saralloyd76

YAHOO!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Machupichoo

I absolutely love it! I have earned more than twice as many points as I usually accomplish in one day. Keep up the good work and thank you for the improvements.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Samy1979
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Génial! J'aime ca!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/evelyn18s

I am in the test group with the centered bar with the skill icon, and I like this system very much. While I miss getting extra lingots when I finish a section without error, overall this system is much better.

My only comment is on the color of the strength bar. Originally, mine was red, which made me think I was doing something wrong; I expected it to change from red to green as I approached the end of the lesson. Now my bar is coming up green, which feels more comfortable.

Thanks for all your hard work. This is a wonderful program for learning languages.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/llarry
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I just completed my first lesson using the strength bars. This is a much better way to master a lesson! It was always frustrating to lose hearts for careless typos and have to repeat the lesson, even though I understood the material. I feel that this is an enormous improvement and I thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/darkjedioverlord

I like this system very much. It is definitely much less frustrating than the heart system. I echo many of the sentiments below. I would prefer that the progress bar still shows the increments of each excercise (question, phrase, whatever) so that I see how many questions I have left to complete the lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rayjeanpaul
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This is so much better than the heart system! Now it take more time practicing a lesson without running out of hearts! I think this will help better reinforce vocabulary.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaulLamontagne

This is a massive improvement. I love it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ph516503
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I much prefer this new system... repeating the whole lesson because of a final mistake was very annoying. Thanks Luis.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Steven_Dorey

Just want to say that I really like this strength bar feature. It's a great way to review what I learned in the regular exercises. It was challenging enough that I felt like I was still learning, but not so difficult that it lowered my confidence. I hope this feature stays. Thanks!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mmessuri

I really like this change! Keep up the great work

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jordie78

Thank you for explaining this so thoroughly! =D I'm not part of the A/B testing yet, but it sounds like a fantastic improvement.

dances No more outright failing lessons because my phone "auto-corrected" me one too many times!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/super_sam

Really good improvement. A lot less disheartening (sorry!) when you make an error, feels more motivational with the bar. Good work guys!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dierubio20

Definitely a great idea. More engaging in my opinion.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TinyKitties
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This sounds marvelous, wish I was in that test group.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rwrightxl

I do not know if I will like the change to the strength bar. However, I like the idea and look forward to using it. I did not like the hearts they were helpful in some ways but also problematic. They could increase motivation but were also stressful. I would plan on doing 2 or 3 lessons but not be able to move along because of losing all of my hearts. I did not mind losing a heart if I did not know the material but I could forget to insert a space between 2 words and lose a heart. There were many simple reasons that did not show a lack of knowledge but could result in a lost heart. They did help you to focus more on paying attention to little details but I considered it to be negative feedback.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adamyoung97
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I prefer the larger one with the skill symbol, as due to my computer screen I can't see the bar with the other design, only the progress on it

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SAPierce1640

I too like the new format that replaces the heart system. Now when I get one wrong, I am assured that I will see the question again without having to lose all of my hearts and start the lesson over. I feel more inspired to do the lessons with this new format. The blue progress bar is preferable, but the green bar will work just as well.

Thank you for this change and thank you for the whole Duolingo experience. Truly amazing!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EvanTheCool

Luis, I think this is great plan. I think it will really help me learn new languages. I like the blue bar better than the green one.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zorro-Plateado

Love the blue bar please keep it, far less frustraing that hearts. keep up the good work Luis

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FiveMagicsMaster

I like the new system, I can practice more! The second design of the strength bar looks better than the green one.

Edit: this is just my opinion, I respect yours saying you don't like this new feature. I don't see the need to downvote me just because you don't like my opinion (as I don't downvote you because I disagree with yours).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tenmoon1
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I agree with you, I got the second strength bar and find my self looking forward to my practice time more than when using the heart system. Can I keep it even if others don't what it?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FiveMagicsMaster

As I see, a majority likes this new system, maybe they will keep this new feature.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/teg0

thank you. i almost thought we wasted a heart refill for nothing. I did realize that my lingots went up, and i had no idea it had anything to do with this.i am so glad for this new update, thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tones31

This is it! Please keep this. I used to quit after losing because I didn't want to start again (I have lost on the last translation so many times)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cdprince

I'm so happy to be among those that get to test this new metered testing. It is hugely better than the hearts method, and much less discouraging.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jensen_David

I love it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HuShifang
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Seems an excellent idea to me - the three-heart system was frequently frustrating. While having to do the whole thing over occasionally had pedagogical value, I would get very annoyed when I was felled one or two items short of completion by a typo (or unwanted autocorrect) on my phone, or by recalcitrant speech recognition on my PC. For practice's purpose, such annoyances often drove me directly to the timed exercises - the rushed quality of which detracts, I think, from the efficacy of the practice.

I understand that some might object to the reduced gaminess of this. Perhaps there could be Lingots conferred for quick completion of the lesson - e.g. under a certain number of exercises required? Carrots can be quite effective without sticks.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Varsha1729

@tnel1 : do you have a red thermometer with bubbles regardless of the skill concerned? That is interesting. I also see a thermometer with bubbles in it, but the color of the bubbles depend on the color of the skill's icon. So green for nature, red for medical, blue for science etc.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/silentsaturn

I really love this new system - the heart system was ok but I felt like I was being punished more often than not, and having to start over wasn't very motivational to me. This new system emphasizes learning a concept and helping you through where you get stuck rather than making you start over. This really makes me want to keep plowing forward on my Irish tree!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimmySoukone

The green bar take too long if you are having trouble when the lesson but is better than the heart system.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pdquinn1
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I really like this new format. I find it to be more encouraging and less enraging. If my strength bar is hovering right around the center point, I'm going to stick with it and not quit. I don't want to lose all that progress after all. I find that I am staying with the practice longer which helps pound the new information into my brain better. This is much better than leaving the lesson feeling beaten and defeated.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaseLoQuePase
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I am really excited about this change. I feel much more motivated to try to spell things out (especially in French) rather than cheat and look up the spelling. It has already helped me to gain confidence in my ability to learn French. Thank you.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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Awesome idea, Luis! I'm really happy to see gamification improvements. I felt like the heart system punishes people too much, there should be more positive interactions with the app than negative ones, and I think the new strength bar will make the experience more positive.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yimantuwingyai
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I agree and I'm excited to see it again. I want the new blue bar all the time. But some people seem to prefer the hearts. Maybe you can give people a choice between the two?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BridgetPal

I love this idea. I am using it right now, and I think it will really help people to learn the language better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/randrewking

I guess its takes some getting used to, and I understand the idea behind it, but sometimes I only have a short time to do a lesson. It takes me longer to get through a lesson. I also have a better idea of how much further I need to go to finish, and the extra heart is well worth the 5 lingots to finish the lesson so I can go on to something different. The practice rounds are there to help me repeat things I need to work on. I probably spend as much time but I like coming back several times than having to spend a long time on getting it completed.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dagorf

Great Idea! The object and goal of the application is to have individuals learn a language! They should be able to rate themselves on their new knowledge and not on the accuracy and skills of their typing....

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mulebeatsdrums

This popped up for me for one lesson yesterday (with the second progress bar type – the egg one), and I loved it! Logged in today and I was back to the heart system, which upset me a little. I think the progress bar system works a lot better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/babybrotherangel

I just did my first lesson on the new format and like it. I would really like the level progress bar back . That I really miss.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rompip
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I have the new system in my reverse tree and the old heart system in my original tree and I have to say that I really like the new system. As Luis has said, if it is a topic you are struggling on you need to do more before you finish a section so I am finding it really useful. Also with things I'm finding easy i can spend much less time on that in practice. For once a new concept gets a definite thumbs up from me!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fuzzbucketdeux

I love the strength bar. I really hope it stays.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yupguppies

I want to have this

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Heclayton
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Please give us back a lingot for a perfect finish on an exercise. Otherwise, I do like this change.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesB84
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I like the blue bar design myself, but I seem to have found an issue. On my Spanish for English speakers course and my Gaelic course, I have the updated layout. However, on my English for Ukrainian speakers course, it is the old style. Why would the same account have some courses using the old style and some the new? Or is it that the Ukr->Eng course just hasn't been updated yet?

I am going to make a separate post for this question because I see it getting lost in this thread.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/girlwhocantspel
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I like it. I have the bar with icon and it's fun to see how many exercises I have to do to fill the bar, however I liked being apple to collect Lingots by getting full hearts in a lesson. Is there something that is going to replace that?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HelenWende1

Apple? (Autocorrect lol). i agree with what you're saying.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidJohnMcLean

I am one of the lucky ones on the new system. It is a massive improvement to my learning experience. I am less frustrated and I find that I am more motivated to spend more time in learning languages. Thank you and keep up with the good work duolingoians.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nFaele

This is great! A willingness to make mistakes and learn from them is important in language learning, and losing a small amount of health for mistakes rather than a full life certainly makes me more willing to possibly be wrong. I don't "cheat" by googling gender or using the mouseover translation with the strength bar the way I do with the hearts. And the bar might allow you to still give some credit, or to take less away, for those 'Almost Correct' answers. But I did like getting lingots and extra XP for doing well under the heart system. Maybe those rewards could still be given for finishing without using many (or any) extra exercises. Plus I echo all those other people: the big bar with skill icon is better than the small corner bar.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas_More77
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This is a great new concept! I like the reinforced learning without losing hearts and having to start a lesson over. The skill bar is a big improvement. Muita Obrigada! :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/satwita
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Two comments: One positive and one negative.. The positive: Sometimes if I'm tired and trying to get a Duolingo lesson in before bed, if I've lost all of my hearts I stop, rather than return and try again. With the new strength bar, I am motivated to ALWAYS finish a lesson. The negative: The new bar takes up a lot of room on top. Therefore I'm always having to use the cursor to scroll down to continue.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/goodjohnjr
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Hello Luis,

I completely support the strength bar lesson experiment, this will make using Duolingo a much more enjoyable experience, and it will probably decrease the number of people who give up on Duolingo without finishing a course first.

I look forward to seeing this feature added permanently.

Thank you, -John Jr

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zacariakus

I think this was is a tremendously good idea, I'm enjoying it. The hearts were so aggravating sometimes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/4of92000
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Great idea. I'm not using it at the moment, but from what I can tell, the second one looks a lot better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daveduck
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I shed no tears at the loss of the hearts. And I prefer the simple green bar design. More in keeping with the overall site design.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mdecoster
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I think it is an improvement. The hearts were ok, but this means you can just keep going until you get it right. I never do the timed stuff because that is about typing skill not language skills, though I guess that could be good for someone who wants to improve their typing.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sandrabetel

I do think the new strenght bar provides a much better learning dynamic, however, I wouldn't loose the hearts altogether, they make it all so lighthearted;) Maybe if you finish your strenght bar without mistakes you can still earn hearts, and I am sure there are plenty of uses for them etc. I think a combination of these two systems would be great ~ thanks for a great learning experience! Sandra

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sandrabetel

ps I am in the 'test group' and I also notice that the amount of points now accounts to 10 no matter how you got there. It would be nice to still have the score somehow reflect how well you went through it. My two cents, the more ways of encouragement, the better. On another note, I never understood how I moved from one level to the other, it would also be nice to somehow include that in a bar or something else. Lastly, the use of lingots have become kinda obsolete in the new model, I would really like them to come back in some form. Most importantly, I thing the strenght bar is a good move;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KrAdkins

I have been using the program all day and I really like the change from the heart system. There are a few glitches in the program, like not properly recognizing speech properly. This still happens but it is nice to not have to redo the entire lesson just because the program doesn't recognize what I'm actually saying. I would much rather do a longer lesson than have to start over.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NickVanSoest
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Much rather this form better than three lives. Less frustrating!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lupus55
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As usual, we'd love to hear what you think! LOL. You have never listened to what users thought about the design. That is seriously dark humour.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Erikman