I Completed My Portuguese Tree!
- Everything is gold.
- I finished the tree in 248 days. (started 31st of march 2014)
- Apparently I can read now 73.4% of real articles (whatever that really means)
- 1950 Words were taught ( Edit: I got the christmas skill yay )
These are the statistics now let's get to the more interesting stuff.
Since I was around 8 or 9 years old, I wanted to learn another language (back then it was spanish, because I was quite often in spain for vacation and the language seemed always pretty cool to me).
However I never got the opportunity to learn it. My school only offered french and latin ( I chose latin, which may or may not been a mistake ... Can't remember anything, disliked this boring dead language and the only thing in my head is "piger sum").
I wasn't however interested in teaching spanish myself, so I had no desire to buy books or to read just texts about grammar or vocabulary on the internet, because school was already giving me enough stuff to care for next to my other hobbies.
You may or may not wonder now why I did the portuguese tree instead of the spanish one. The thing is 3 years ago I met 2 people online who I became very good friends with. The first one is a native brazillian and the other one is a portuguese guy living in Luxembourg (which is quite a wonderland for language enthusiasts ... Many portuguese people live there, the country has quite a cultural relationship with france which is why you probably should know french if you want to go there, but they also have their own language which is similar to german (so much so, that I can understand luxembourgish if it is spoken slower than usual). They also learn german and because english is the lingua franca now they know english, too ... 5 languages that you could potentially speak there ^^ wow)
Anyway, I knew as much about portuguese as I did with spanish ... which is almost nothing, I only knew that for me they both sounded a bit similar and the writing looked pretty similar ... I am overall very curious when it comes to languages, so I decided one day that I would rather learn portuguese now. One reason of course is, that I can speak it to 2 friends but there is already a catch ^^ While I can understand br-pt quite good when it is spoken at a slower speed, I can't say the same about the european version, however most of my communication is based on text anyway so it isn't that problematic.
The other reason is that I would have enjoyed any other language as much anyway (maybe except latin ;) )But being able to really practice it with real life people is the biggest + of course :)
I found out about Duolingo on some youtube comments from the channel GetGermanized that I like to watch and got interested and found that intro video about Duolingo and thought: "why not?".
I instantly fall in love with this website, it is just great. I never had the expectation that I could become fluent or even good at the language. I would be happy enough to learn the basics, which is what I got from this site. I did not use anything other than skype to keep contact with my friends. They are quite impressed what I have managed to learn so far.
But I am nowhere near fluent or confident about my skills yet. Even if I did not learn portuguese to hold a basic conversation with anyone, I learnt however that my english is quite bad. At least 50% of my mistakes happened,because I made a mistake in english rather than portuguese. I would go so far and say that english is the weirdest language. People complain about german quite often that there are " 4 cases, plural is not easily adding a simple s at the end, 3 articles / genders" but at least it has a good spelling system and few homophones , also, I have rarely used complex tenses and forms to speak/write yet and they aren't easier than in other languages either ... but oh well, maybe one day I will master english, too ... okay nobody can master english :P
This is probably the best time to thank certain people who helped me to grasp some weird aspects about portuguese:
- Every other person who helped those who had questions
Their help inspired me to try to help other people on this site who want to learn german.
I will probably now try to keep my tree still golden for the next few months and maybe then there is Esperanto available to learn :)
... okay I will do the reverse tree now but I don't think I will need as long with it as I did with the current one.
There are also some things I want to share with people who are working on their trees:
Heart refills are not a bad thing. More often than not you might feel cheated that you got a sentence which is actually an idiomatic expression which you simply can't translate without trial and error, or you notice that the hints are not working correctly and you have 0 hearts on the last question ... that really frustrated me quite often
If you think you were right, report. If you are not 100% sure, check the discussions. You get your explanations from there (thanks to all those friendly people here).
Don't be afraid to ask if you did not understand something. Languages just simply aren't D.I.Y.-Kits. You rely on others to use them and to learn them.
I might be the only one who had experienced it, but if you are frustrated or even if you are not, take a break for a week. The streak system gets counterproductive after some time when you start forcing yourself to learn things. My hearing also improved by simply not doing anything on Duolingo for a week. (I don't understand that myself but I guess your brain just needs time to tidy up things)
Yeah, this became a very long post but to be honest. You can only complete your first tree one time. I also love to read other peoples posts when they complete their tree.
Thank you and all the community and Team Duolingo for all and everything you and they did and will do :)
That's great! Nice to hear your personal story and know you a little better. And thanks also for your efforts helping the German learners too! :) * * * * * <--my best attempt at fireworks! **
I was going to go to the store to buy some heart refills because of what you said, but apparently they've been removed. Anyways, congratulations! Do you have any plans to learn Spanish in the future?
I can still buy them in the store o.o
Yeah I still wish to learn spanish one day. But for the moment I really want to improve my portuguese. Already trying memrise to learn new words. I understand all the concepts and conjugation "types" that Duo offered but I still lack a lot of vocab.
Spanish and portuguese are kind of similar and unless I feel confident / fluent in portuguese I don't think I should try learning it.
Edit: Okay there is a new A/B Test which removed the Heart Refill ... so my paragraph about that was kind of useless? At least I can say that Team Duo kind of wents for the right direction which is to give the user a less frustrated feeling when they do a mistake.
Fantastic post. Congratulations! And: Your English is actually really good. Cheers =)
About my english skills ... That depends on what you consider "being good". There were chapters about subjunctive "tense" / mood which I mostly failed on both parts (okay, only present subjunctive in portuguese, the other subjunctives mostly in english) or the fact that I am probably using the wrong preposition again, because subconsiously I will use the literally translated german preposition ...)
Speaking wise I have also enough problems. There is the obviously hardcore impossible "th" for a german or that I just keep uhm'n'ahm around or even worse the fact that I feel soooo shy when talking with natives (no problems with the rest of "I speak it 2nd language" ... for whatever reason X.x)
I just generally feel as if I am just using a simplified version of english. Similar to Wikipedia's "Simple English", however I feel pretty good about my listening and reading skills ... so it is not all lost :)
Your English seems really good! I noticed a few spots where another tense may have fit better, but we do have a lot to choose from when it comes to tenses. Don't worry about subjunctive too much, many native English speakers don't know how to use it. Viel Glück mit deinem Portugiesisch (und auch Englisch)!
Parabéns! Very inspiring!
I also took Latin in high school and felt similarly about it. I did discover that I could read a bit of Italian, though, until I forgot too much. Now the thing I remember most clearly is 'agricola', which means 'farmer'. My Latin teacher did actually say that we'd remember agricola forever, even if we forgot everything else. XD
I guess everyone who had to learn latin in school remembers at least one thing. I only know piger sum, because it describes my efforts for that language pretty good (I am lazy).
Maybe I should have learnt french instead but to be honest, school-life-wise it was the better choice to take latin. My brothers had taken french instead and failed pretty hard at it which is one reason I was told to not take it. Also I thought about becoming a doctor as a child and people always said that you need latin as a doctor (which is probably just a lazy stereotype)
If I really had to, I would choose Latin instead of French because I hate French.
Why do you hate french? I took latin for the most part because my brothers failed pretty hard at french in school and also because french sounds like the most arrogant way you can speak. Only women sound good when speaking french. I have yet to discover a song in french sung by a man that does not sound bad.
Thanks, I wish I drew it myself. I actually got it from a somewhat weird video where the creator drew it...
I'm not sure I could understand what you just said.....
Z is for N64. L is for Super Nintendo. (That's what I meant)
Wow this is such a great post! I feel very inspired to finish my trees now! Portuguese is a pretty hard language to learn so congratulations to you! :)
"Hard language to learn" is so relative though.
There are aspects about portuguese which are way easier to learn than english and there are things that are harder to learn than german.
The spelling is easier than english, the verb conjugations are harder than in german (for example) in my humble opinion.
Yes that is true! There are very hard and very easy aspects about any language. I do agree, English spelling is pretty hard! Also, congrats on 4.74 on the progress test, that's awesome!
I am a native german speaker. Yeah, I would definetely enjoy contributing to that course but I guess my portuguese is still too weak to be able to contribute something.
Englisch ist ja die übernatürlichste Sprache!!! (I hope it means "English indeed is the weirdest language"!!!!)
I've noticed it while teaching Portuguese and learning German. It just doesn't care about steady rules. It's the most random one. Even so, it seems to be the easiest so far.
And yes, brains do "defrag" when idle! Thoughts and connections are all rearranged, specially when sleeping!!! To rest is as important as to work.
(Hey kids! Don't take it as to "only" rest ;) )
Englisch ist ja die übernatürlichste Sprache would rather mean that english is the most supernatural language ... even though leo.org does give me weird / weirdly --> übernatürlich ... but weird for me is seltsam, komisch, merkwürdig
That was at least my interpretation of your german sentence.
Englisch ist ja die seltsamste Sprache überhaupt!
This is most likely what you wanted to say.
Congratulations! Also, thank you for the plethora of helpful posts you have made in the German for English speakers discussion areas. I have benefited from many of those.
I can definitely relate to your comments regarding learning another language through English, when the latter is not one's native language. I have lost countless hearts due to mistakes in English, although of course this has at the same time been an opportunity to get better in English.
Sure but it is quite frustrating to see that you are actually bad at something that you thought you were good at ... I consume so much content in english by listening and reading and I also talk quite often and chat A LOT. After 5 years and more of doing that, you will assume that you have at least good knowledge. <sub>~</sub> Man lernt nie aus. (One will never stop learning ... or so I guess)
That school sounded depressing. Latin and French. My idea of a worst language nightmare. Well done, I'm currently Spanish but I'd like to learn Portuguese after I become fluent. Parabéns!
I knew in Luxembourg they speak French, German and Luxembourgish, but I didn't know there was a decent number of Portuguese speakers living there. Thanks for the fact!
Great story! Thanks for sharing it with us and for the good advices! Parabéns para você!
Parabéns! E que bela postagem! Fico feliz por ter te ajudado um pouco, apesar do meu pobre inglês. :)
Muito bem amigo! I am a Brazilian and I use the English version of Duolingo because it makes me to improve my English skills and because the Portuguese Course is very incomplete (It just has to learn Spanish and English) . I learning German now and I think the Portuguese will helps you to learn Spanish, because , as all the Portuguese speaks know, the Spanish is very similar to Portuguese. Sorry if my text is bad to read.Its should because my English is very bad too. And congratulations, its a good example for we all.
Congratulations! I'm glad to see I could be of some help to you in Portuguese (as you were to me with German). Now, it's just practicing and I'm sure you will get more confident and you'll soon be speaking it well enough, seeing you have native friends to talk to; that sure can take you a long way. :)
Parabéns! Logo, logo eu termino a de Inglês :D Espero que você tenha sucesso com a nossa língua. Você tem achado fácil estudar português ou têm algumas coisas que são bastante difíceis pra você?
E venha nos visitar qualquer dia ; )
Há muitas coisas estranhas mas no total eu acho que português é facíl para aprender. Isso não significa que eu já estou bem em escrito ou falado ...
A mais difícil parte em português para mim é lembrando os todos acentos ... ou que ainda não entendo a diferença entre para e por e às vezes entre ser, estar, ficar.
Eu gostaria visitar Brasil qualquer dia mas eu estou com medo que tenho medo demais para voar ao Brasil. Brasil e Alemanha têm uma distância muito longa.
Desculpe por meu português mau. Talvez você entendesse pelo menos um pouco do meu texto.
Muito bom o seu texto!! Qualquer um pode entendê-lo perfeitamente!!
That is the result when I try to write without any help whatsoever. But usually I ask at least a dictionary from time to time. Also for hard to remember conjugations: conjuga-me.
It feels like an accomplishment to know that my text was understandable ^^ thank you
Entendi tudo que você disse, há uma coisa ou outra que pode ser melhorada, mas isso não torna sua resposta menos impressionante! Espero poder escrever como você em Inglês logo. Desejo que você consiga superar seu medo e possa aparecer por aqui. Valeu!
Parabéns! Você acha que conseguiria ter uma conversa com um nativo? Pois sou uma nativa! Se tiver dúvidas, é só me chamar :)
Acho que eu possa falar com um nativo mas a pessoa precisa falar devagar comigo. Meu amigo é brasileiro e diz que ele precise se concentrar porque minha pronúncia não é boa. Mas a comunicação funciona.
Parabéns por ter terminado a árvore!.Também gostei muito de seus comentários. Pelo que entendi você não consegue compreender o português falado dos portugueses tão bem quanto compreende os brasileiros. Não se preocupe com isso. Eles falam muito rápido e mesmo eu (que sou brasileira) não consigo entendê-los muito bem. Mas tudo é prática, e como eu não tenho muitas oportunidades de conversar com portugueses, acho que com o tempo você irá compreendê-los melhor do que eu... Felicidades e bons estudos!