Translation:We are bringing the bottles to the women.
The translation gives "dalle donne" as "to the women..." Would it be "from the women?" I am also rather confused about "da voi" meaning "your place" or "dagli uomini" meaning "the men's place."
Based on what I've read in the discussions for this lesson so far, the use of "dalle" in this type of example can translate as either "to the" or "from the" depending on the context. Hope this helps!
The only explanation I can think of is that 'portiamo' is 'we bring'; so you can't really bring something from something. If it was 'to take' then that would make sense. I still don't see why it shouldn't be "Portiamo le bottiglie alle donne" though
kayzingzingy "I bring souvenirs from a trip." "I bring greetings from Caesar." :-) "Bring the children home from school." I think it's correct.
Those examples don't quite work. In your sentences, the trip, Caesar, and school are the sources of the things being brought. Here the women aren't the source of the bottles, they're the destination, hence the confusion. So why do we use the word for "from" when we're bringing the bottles "to" the women?
Further discussion on the difference between portare and prendere - http://sanniti.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/portare-prendere_ii.pdf. There is an interesting example there of "prendere qualcuno dall’aeroporto" vs "portare qualcuno all'aeroporto". Ie, when the idea is that you go somewhere to retrieve someone, you use prendere + dalle, whereas if you are taking someone someplace, you use portare + alle. This is a little counter to the current example (portare + dalle), so I'd be very interested to hear what a native Italian speaker has to say about why 'dalle' is used here instead of 'alle'.
It's my understanding that portare can mean either bring or take. Context differentiates the meaning (as pointed out by JoeM).
I also got it wrong thinking that the "da" prepositions are rather something that comes from something.
Okay, please, could some native explain to us when "da" means "to" and when "from"? xD
Da can be used in 3 situations. 1st. da = "from" as pointed out in the lessons. 2nd. in expressions of time to indicate how long a action has been going on i.e., abito in Italia da due anni = I live in Italy for 2 years. 3rd. when used in front of a name, sir name or profession to indicate to or at a person's place, residence or work place, i.e., vado da Maria = I am going to Maria's. Maria e' dal dottore = Maria is at the doctor's. So it seems that, in this case, it would mean the bottles are being brought to where the women are.
in your 2nd DA example, can we use PER instead of DA? "abito in Italia per due anni" sounds correct?
Both could be used. DA would most likely be used in a formal situation. PER is more conversational.
Given that there is no context in such a short statement, I would have thought that the assorted possibilities would all have been factored in as possible correct responses. There seems to be inconsistency with this, as with the question of why some spelling errors are "heart-breaking" and others only justify a warning!
I really don't get this answer... surely "we bring the bottles to the women" should be "portiamo i bottigli alle donne" ... to the women as dalle means from or by. Even if "bring the bottles BY the women" is what is being translated that is really bad English translation.. or at least incredibly American ... "I'm bringing it BY yours tonight" should actually be "I'm bringing it TO your tonight"
I don't see how it's "to the women", it doesn't make sense! It should be either from the women, or, the womens' bottles
I need to know this as well. So many words can be used for the same. Someone intelligent and native to Italia please help us!
I am a bit confused, it can either mean 'we bring bottles from the women' and 'we bring bottles to the women', thats complete the opposite !
le bottiglie delle donne.. the women's bottles surely also makes sense?
You would use 'delle' to indicate possession, 'dalle' to indicate 'to' or 'from'.
Why is "we are carrying the bottles from the women" wrong? "Carrying" is given as one of the correct meanings...