"Vi äter ägg till frukost."

Translation:We are eating eggs for breakfast.

December 7, 2014

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In what contexts would I use till and what contexts would I use för?


i have this question, too. i remember someone has already said in comments "till" is normally being used when you want to give something to somebody and för better enlighten for, more and better. but here we see, till is used for indeed a FOR. thx.


I tried to write some general answers below in answer to Aniklol


I love this course but they should really elaborate on the difference between seemingly synonymous words being acceptable only in different contexts. One comment said "till" is for purpose, but what is för for then? Thanks in advance.


The general idea behind Duo is that you're supposed to learn like children learn – by seeing lots of examples. Clearly that isn't enough, and we do try to give some explanations, but the use of prepositions is very hard to explain concisely, and the cluster till, åt, and för are among the hardest ones.

When it comes to till frukost 'for breakfast' I'd say it's just a set expression so that in reality there's really no point in trying to analyze it, although some of us can't resist trying to do so anyway, which is why I mentioned the 'purpose/goal' examples. One could also analyze it as the 'addition' meaning that till sometimes has.

Below just a VERY short version of the most typical uses of till vs för

till is most typically used
1) with movement to a goal jag åker till Kina 'I am going to China'
2) when giving something to someone jag ger en bok till mamma 'I am giving a book to my mom' – same with jag köper en bok till mamma 'I am buying a book for mom'

för is most typically used
1) whenever there's an 'audience': jag berättade för honom 'I told him', jag sjöng för henne 'I sang to her', jag visade den för honom 'I showed it to him'
2) in 'exchange' situations: jag ger dig 10 kronor för den 'I'll give you SEK10 for it'
3) 'concerning' det är svårt för oss 'it's difficult for us'

There are tons of other more special uses, but if you want an overview to start with, I think you should keep these concepts in mind, and try to build from these.


I don't know if this can help anyone, but till and för are basically like "à" and "pour" in French. They're very similar and can be used in similar situations, and therefore are quite confusing for people learning French.

While in English you can only say "we eat eggs FOR breakfast" in French you can say both "Nous mangeons des oeufs AU petit-déjeuner" (au means à + le) or "nous mangeons des oeufs POUR le petit-déjeuner" so using till in this sentence isn't as confusing for French ppl as it is for english ppl. Plus, in Swedish you would use för to say "jag sjöng för henne" (I sang to her) well same in French, we won't say "Je chantais à (to) elle" but "Je chantais POUR (for) elle."

So if you have some knowledge in French maybe seeing it that way could help. Moreover, this isn't the only ressemblance between Swedish and French or other European languages, like if u're used to the pronouns (possesives or relatives) in either French or Italian, learning them in Swedish will seem quite easy and familiar. Hope all of this makes sense.


My first language is French and... Damn your comment is so useful, thanks!! It all makes sense now. And you're right, I didn't have any trouble learning the possessives in Swedish because it's basically the same type of rules in French.


Can't tell you how happy I am that you said this, my native language is English but I lived in Portugal for over 10 years so i'm fluent in Portuguese and know quite abit of French since they're simular languages, its the same thing in portuguese. That helps me so much! I'm learning Swedish from an English brain, if I thought of Swedish with my portuguese/french brain sometimes might actually help me out in certain situations! :D

Nous mangeons oeufs au petit-déjeuner - Nós comemos ovos ao pequeno-almoço.

Je chantais pour elle - Eu cantei para ela.


Oh I'm so glad you found it helpfup :))

Ikr!! Sometimes learning a language can be easier if you look at it through another language. I'm fluent in both English and French and I sometimes feel more comfortable learning a language using one instead of the other. When I'm learning a latin language like Italian I don't even think twice : I use French, and I'm saving so much more time than if I was learning it in English. I have to say Swedish is a little more complicated because of its similarities to both germanic and latin languages haha...

Good luck with your languages Ann :D


Actually you can say "we eat eggs at breakfast" in English. The "at" is in the sense of sitting at the breakfast table, or eating at breakfast time. Eating something for breakfast focuses more on the act of eating, rather than the time or place.


Well yeah of course you can say We eat eggs AT breakfast (duh). Just like you can use any other preposition you like "She made an announcement DURING breakfast" or "She wrote an essay ON breakfast". But the meaning is different for each preposition and this whole thread is about eating smth [food] FOR breakfast. So you can't say AT in this case. If we were focusing on the place or time like you said then yes AT would be appropriate.


As a French, I really thank you!


Tack så mycket!


Are you an angel? Tack så mycket!!


Can someone explain why this is till frukost and not för frukost? This is one of the few things that makes absolutely no sense to me..


We often use till with expressions of purpose. Vad ska du ha den här till? 'What are you going to use this for?' (as in 'with what purpose' or 'as a tool for what') – I guess there's an idea that till expresses a goal so purpose is close by.


Could it mean: We eat eggs until breakfast [comes/arrives]? In other words all night :-)


Both tills and till are acceptable in this sense before a noun, but it isn't recommended to use till this way to start a subclause.

till i morgon and tills i morgon both work, but only Vi håller på tills imorgon 'We're keeping at it until tomorrow'. (or like here, tills frukosten kommer)


Idk but it is the same in German where they use to instead of for. "Wir eßen Eier zum Frühstück"


im completely lost i thought till was to and för was for. what makes it different in this sentence


Prepositions are very irregular in translation even between relatively closely related languages such as English and Swedish. When having something for breakfast, the preposition to use is simply "till" in Swedish, but "for" in English.


Why is the English translation "we eat eggs at breakfast" not acceptable?


Speaking from an native English perspective, "at" in this context would imply that you eat eggs "while at the breakfast meal", while "for" implies that the eggs are your whole meal (or at least that they are the main part of it).


Or maybe it means ..if we say at it means its every day...if we say for it means for this day only


As a side note to AlecHirsch1's comment, as a native Swede my first instinct is to translate "at breakfast" to "vid frukost", which basically means "at the time of breakfast" to be overly precise.


Vi äter ägg för frukost. general speaking, is this possible too?


No, that would be, "We eat eggs to the breakfast," or "[...] because breakfast."


Not 'för frukost'? Like: Jag vill ha en cykel för jul


No, both those sound like bad translations from English to me. Always till frukost, and you want a bike i julklapp. (literally: 'for Christmas present')


When to use för and when till?


Generally speaking, för is "for" and till is "to". But since they're both very common prepositions, there are loads of situations where straight one-to-one rules don't apply.


Can i say we eat eggs as breakfast? Or us that not proper english?


It's not very idiomatic, no.


Agg is plural too?


Yes, it's ägg for both singular and plural.


Good news is that if you get the wrong preposition, they will still know what you mean (even though they'll smirk at you - Ha!)


How do you know it's eggs plural, and not egg singular?


You don't, really - it could function as a plural, or as a mass here. But if you want to be clear about the singular, you could use the indefinite article: Vi äter ett ägg.


Thanks for explaining Penguin!


I accidentally typed "frokost" and it was accepted without the warning that there was a typo. Could it be correct?


No, I'm afraid that's the typo correction system having issues at the moment.


Alright, thanks.


Maybe it is wrong but very often I can translate “till“ into German with the word “zum“.


In the fast sentence sample it sounds like De (they) and in the slow sentence it sounds like Vi (we). This discrepancy between the quickly spoken sentence and the slow sentence happens frequently. One sounds like de the other like vi.

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