New lesson style - no more hearts!
Just a progress bar which goes up for successful answers and down for errors. What do we think?
Me, I prefer it. It avoids the frustration of losing that last heart on a silly typo or for an answer that you feel should have been accepted. Plus as the punishment is less severe there is more of a temptation to take on the answers at speed. If your losing to frequently you can just slow up a bit and refocus. I think this is going to encourage me to practise more often.
Yeah i made a post on it too, i think the best thing is now i don't rely on my reading to get me through lessons in fear of losing the precious hearts i had. Now i use and take a gamble on my listening more than twice as much as i previously did ^^
Wow, I had noticed that I was doing the same thing too. Seems we're not alone either.
I prefer it too! It was really frustrating with the "hearts system", now everything is up to your knowledge of each lesson, if you keep making mistakes you can learn directly from them, in the end you won't make the same mistake. It's encouraging indeed :)
Looks like it is only out on the web version, not through the app on mobile devices.
Love the repetition with this. It's one of the things about DuoLingo that I think is handled far better than say in Rosetta Stone. You are constantly writing and rewriting what you hear and translating text. It's huge as far as making it stick.
Ah thank you - I did try to find if there was already some discussion on this but was obviously looking in the wrong places! :-)
I think this one is awesome because when you have 1 heart remaining you get frustrated and you lose concentration,in this one you don't have to worry about hearts
I like that idea, but the hearts are part of what makes it fun. Without them we are just doing Rosetta Stone. They just need more hearts, or hearts give extra lingots
Way better. It makes you learn better by repeating the areas where you made mistakes, or areas related to them rather than the repeating then entire lesson.
Focuses on your weakness. Smart learning. Saves time and effort. :)
Does anyone else find they can't edit their posts? I can edit my replies but not the original post and that incorrect 'your' is looking at me accusingly!
I guess I shouldn't mention then that "to frequently" ought to be "too frequently." ;-)
Yes. It is a pain not being able to edit an OP. I did spot your 'Your' too. It's the quick sort of typo we all make. You also have a 'to' instead of a 'too' in the same sentence, which is also an error that I make all the time. I bet most people do when typing off the top of their heads.
I wonder why DL removed it? Possibly because once an OP gets replies, it wouldn't be good if the OP had been changed a lot. Have a Lingot.
I prefer the new 'Heartless' Progress Bar too :)
Yes - they're typos but I find them particularly distressing as I'm quite a pedant and have a ZERO-TOLERANCE approach to the mistakes of others. ;-)
I gave you a lingot for this post...since there is no way to get a lingot any other way, anymore. <grin>
Thanks! Have two in return! It looks like I'm in the control group for the test, as there are Hearts decorating the screen of today's first lesson. So, I can earn them the "old fashioned" way, still. Plus they will accrue for continuing streaks, it sounds like.
Really, the new method sounds quite good, Heart rewards aside. We'll see what Duo's statistical wizards decide after accumulating and checking their data.
Interesting, I noticed that after I received your Lingots, they dont show up in my Lingot total anymore, because I was going to give you some more back... However, I note that my lingots dont increase or decrease anymore. They must be disabled. Interesting. Thanks for those, anyway!
Hmm - not sure. Mine's gone up a couple today. On the other hand I keep switching between classes and on my French to English (reverse tree) I'm still on hearts.
That is interesting--both that your Lingots seem frozen, tliarch, and that you, Gavier, are on different sides of the great A/B lesson-method divide, depending on which base language you select. I'll have to check my other base language (Russian) later, after I finish w/ Italian for the day.
It would be too bad if the Lingots don't transfer for those who have the non-Hearts lessons. Espec. as my Hearts total did decrease! . . . . Hearts in limbo. I bet it's just a so-far-unnoticed glitch.
. . . BTW, thanks for the effort to give me more Lingots, tliarch. Very kind of you. Remember, I can still accumulate them in all the old ways and so can come by them more easily.
I like the new system so far. It took a bit of getting used to of course, but I think it's a great idea. Instead of constantly trying not to screw on translating even one word, gender of conjugation so as to not need to lose all my little hearts and start right over, I can just keep on going, with nothing really to lose and skill to gain. The last time I did a session, I actually trusted myself more, took chances on being wrong didn't always double check every word by pausing over it. I think I might learn more like this. We need to be able to make mistakes to learn and this way lets us make them, while still rewarding progress.
I do miss the automatic spoken bit though, even though we can still click to hear it read.
I like it sooo much better, because if I don't get something I can just keep on practicing until I do, and not have to redo the lesson and go through all that scrolling and clicking,, over and over,,, augh! now I can just practice and learn to my heart's content in one shot !! :0
Hearts were better. Passing a quiz with full hearts to earn a lingut was fun, even if there was nothing worth buying in the store. I liked the challenge of surviving on my last heart. It was like playing a game. The progress bar removes the apps gamification by negating the two things I found most motivating (I cannot win a shiny lingot, and programmatically I cannot fail), and makes the quizzes tedious when I bite off more than I can chew. If I mess up a couple times, I have to either answer more questions (that I may get wrong) just to get back to my previous percentage, or actively give up and quit the quiz to start an easier one. Also, the questions repeat over and over in the same format (e.g. select all that are true). I prefer the crying owl over quitting a difficult quiz.
I couldn't agree more! Please, please bring back the hearts system (at least on the mobile app)!!!
The hearts are still on the mobile app! At least on my Kindle Fire. And I like this new format (currently I am using the website) better than the hearts system. The "learn from your mistakes" thing somehow doesn't apply to me and especially not to my brother. I had to redo lesson 7 in Food at least 7 times before I passed and I can't bear to pass with just one heart lost.
Another A/B test, I guess - I don't see any changes, neither in the app, nor on the site.
This is just on the site for me at the moment. Hopefully if the test is well received they'll roll it out across the app too.
I feel that for me, this new system will take the game aspect away. It's a no brainer to complete the lesson with some hearts left, the real challenge for me is to get a lingot, i.e. without a single mistake. So far, I don't see what the challenge is going to be here.
You already use this system, you tell me, what is the challenge? I am also concerned whether it'll take more time to complete a lesson.
Well if you complete the task with no errors then it should take the same amount of time. I rather agree that the lack of a reward for completing it cleanly is a problem and one of the suggestions on the thread linked to above is to reinstate the lingot reward for a clean run. I would agree with that. There are pros and cons of course but so far personally I prefer it.
I like the progress bar idea too....but don't see any reason why they don't award a lingot for a clean run! And I noticed the XP stays the same as well - 10 for a clean run. Not that i get it that often ;)
However they are still giving out lingots for completing streaks. I got my 24 lings yesterday for my 240th plus the 10 lings for the 7 day wager. So no complaints about that :D
I've noticed there are sort of no reasons now for lingots anymore...but there is still a "lingot store", anyway. Not that I need them much anymore, but I always enjoyed getting them for a perfect run. Now, I see no way to earn them, except to have them given me by others, or perhaps some other way. Maybe its time to do away w/the Lingot Store, as well now. I liked the game aspect of the old system, but I like this also. The only thing I miss is the reward lingots.
Yes, there's not a lot to spend them on is there? I just see accruing them as another measure of progress.
There...now you have gotten another lingot...as I gave you another one! What you will do with it...that is another story.
Heh thanks! I'm hoping that Duolingo will monetise them sooner or later making me a rich man! ;-)
Also, I guess you still get Lingots when you reach 10-20, etc day streaks...so you can get them....still. I'm still not sure what to use them on anymore...since the hearts are gone and there is little need now. Here's hoping you become fabulously wealthy in Lingots!
I'm excited about this, hope this will push through so the rest of the population, such as I, will be able to experience this new learning style. It has become exponentially harder to learn French, I think this method will greatly help. :)
My thoughts exactly. I like the new lesson style for the same reasons. But now it is not important if I earn lingots or not. I used to use lingots for heart refills, but now that I don't need them, there is nothing in the store that I want to buy.
I agree, i think it is a much better way to do the practices. Will they be doing this for the tests?
Good question! I'm not sure how that would work. I've finished my tree so can't do a test to try it out. Is anyone still working on their tree who can see how it works?
I love this new way! It's been a few days since I've done my Duolingo lessons, mainly because I kept losing hearts for the silliest mistakes. I recently returned to college after many years, taking French this last semester, and doing Duolingo alongside my class helped tremendously! However, losing hearts got so discouraging. So this morning when I signed back on, I saw this new way and…yay!! I love when it repeats what I missed because then I'm actually learning and not being 'punished'. <double thumbs up> Way to seriously improve on an already amazing language program! A+
This is great. I am more tempted to practice now and actually because of this I moved my daily goal to Regular from Casual.
I think it's fairer. Sometimes you have a single heart and duolingo doesn't accept a certain answer that you know is suitable.
I broke all my hearts, are here anything else except of these trips and tricks, and exercises? I mean, is the learning process including only these two tips?How am I gonna know much in order to get over the levels?
I am sorry but i just hate this new format. It takes me 20 minutes just to get one passage done...
Personally, I prefer the heart system. I like the incentive of getting more XP for doing better and it can get really frustrating to lose progress for making typos or for sentences that the hints give very little help on, as often happens in Irish. I feel that the heart system better challenged my knowledge without being so punishing for getting it wrong. I think the new progress bar would be better suited for timed practices to add extra challenge, but for regular lessons, it's just frustrating. I used to be able to gauge about how long a lesson would take me because I have limited time to practice. Now there's no telling how long any given lesson will take and no matter how well or poorly I do, I will still only get 10 XP. That really destroys the gamification that makes Duolingo a good system.
Well put! It's a real bummer that it's the same outcome no matter how well you do. Not knowing how long a lesson will take bothers me too. Maybe they'll modify how the progress bar affects the lesson, lingots, and XP, and the app will go back to being fun again!
It would be nice to have some modification to the system to allow for less frustration and more rewards for doing well, although I still really liked the hearts. It made me feel like I was playing Zelda to learn languages, and that was fun.
Yeah... I mightn't have minded them so much if there were more, like 10! And they're especially frustrating on a tablet or smartphone because hearts count typos, and I HATE smartphone keyboards. I make at least 2 mistakes in every 5-letter word when I type on one of those things.
disagree. I think hearts are bad because if you lose all of your hearts you have to start all over again.
To me, that's not as bothersome as losing progress in a lesson. If I lose all my hearts in a lesson, I feel that it's because I didn't study or practice enough, and it makes it more likely that I'll simply try again, paying more attention to what I'm doing, or go back and study some of the grammar points for that lesson before trying again. Then again, I only ever lost all my hearts once, so it never got frustrating for me to lose hearts. Losing progress to me is more punishing than simply not gaining progress, especially since getting a question wrong makes you lose more progress than getting a question right makes you gain. So you can't just make it back up very easily.
is it just me? or are the hearts back on the iOS? My iPad is now showing hearts.
I'd be interested to find out too. They were quite fun when I started DL on Android, but I agree with most posters, you advance a lot quicker without them.
The iPad app now has the hearts thing. The iPhone has a progress bar (no hearts) and a new look that uses characters of people speaking the phrases in voices that are male or female. It seems that duolingo may be rolling out a new iOS interface. I installed the iPhone app on my iPad and I'm much happier. The heart thing is a show-stopper for me. I guess some people like gamification, but I have my own real incentives to learn another language. I'm really grateful to the folks at Duolingo for creating this wonderful resource.
I like it! I get more practice within the lesson instead of getting bumped out and (maybe) going back in.
I don't think there should be any punishment at all. I think that it should stay on a level until you get the right answer.
Maybe we should be given the option to choose, from the meter system to the heart system... Idk just a suggestion... I kind of miss the hearts :/
Hi. I am on android and duolingo always had the strength bar but it just switched to the hearts system today and now it's so frustrating that I don't even want to continue learning swedish. Is there a way to change it back?
How about retaining the bar but awarding a lingot if no mistakes were made?
How do you get rid of the health in game but I don't know how! It's so annoying!
Hey everybody. They brought lives back and it practically made the mobile app useless for learning. It no longer teaches you anything. I just hope they don’t change the website to the lives system.
Health system is worthless, not conducive to learning. May have to look to another program