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When will Irish be added to the Kindle app?

[deactivated user]

    I have a Kindle Fire and we have not yet gotten Irish, which is currently available for iOS and Android. I was hoping we'd have it by now. I asked about this in one of threads about Irish being added to Android a couple of weeks back but never got a reply from anyone.

    Does anyone know when Kindle users will get Irish?

    December 10, 2014

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    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidcwalls

    I have wondered this as well. The app on my Kindle Fire is still running 2.7.3 from early September. I suspect the problem lies with Amazon and the length of time it takes them to certify apps for availability on their store.

    I have considered uninstalling DuoLingo, then using the Google Play store to reinstall it, but it is already unstable on the Fire (the app terminates suddenly on me now and then - do you ever get that?), so I wasn't sure I wanted to go with a less supported config.


    [deactivated user]

      The only time I have a problem with the app terminating on me is when I have issues with my internet connection. Otherwise the current version of the app has been working quite well for me.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulCulloty

      Galaxyrocker's right, like you when I read that Irish was on Android, I deleted and reinstalled it, but the appstore hasn't updated yet. Incidentally, I've never had trouble with the stability, could be your broadband?


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zennjennc

      I was wondering that too. I've been waiting til Jan to start Irish hoping to get an update so i can use my Kindle or phone app (also droid os based). My fire app also quite unexpectedly but I also have shoddy att internet service.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/galaxyrocker

      It's on droid phones, just not updated on the Amazon app store.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulCulloty

      E-mailed the Appstore last night, they replied that the latest version they had remained 2.7.3, but didn't state when or if they would update it.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidcwalls

      Today I loaded the Duolingo app version 3.2.0 from the Google Play store onto my Kindle Fire, and now I have Irish. These are the steps I took (this process is called sideloading):

      1) Completely uninstall Duolingo from the Kindle Fire (when I say completely, I mean to also remove from the cloud)

      2) Find an android device that works with the Google Play store (basically, anything other than a Kindle Fire). Alternatively, find a friend who has such a device (that is what I did).

      3) Install Duolingo on the other device from the Google Play store.

      4) Backup the Duolingo app on the other device - this will create a .apk file.

      5) Move the .apk file to a location available to your Kindle Fire. I used OneDrive; DropBox is another easy way. Unsurprisingly, Google Drive doesn't seem to work.

      6) Goto Settings / Applications / Apps from Unknown Sources - turn this On.

      7) Open the .apk file on the Kindle Fire. This will run the install.

      8) This is not necessary, but I would recommend: Go back to Settings / Applications / Apps from Unknown Sources - turn this back Off.

      You're done. Go learn Irish!

      Note: I strongly recommend that you do not use any .apk file you find on the Internet. Download the app yourself from Google Play store or have someone you trust do it. Using a .apk file from the Internet is apparently the quickest way to get a virus on your Kindle Fire.

      Note 2: As far as I can tell, Amazon does not in any way discourage sideloading.

      Note 3: If you go to the App Updates screen, it indicates that Manual Update is required and tells you that the Duolingo app is sideloaded. It also gives you the opportunity to "Update" it back to version 2.7.3. As future versions of the Android app are released on the Google Play store, you will have to sideload them again to get the update.


      [deactivated user]

        Amazon doesn't openly discourage sideloading but they happily tell you that it's unsupported for good reasons. I'm personally not comfortable with sideloading. To do it you have to bypass several of Andriod's built-in protections and as the infosec adage goes: systems can be secure but users aren't. Sideloading third party apps in Andriod is definitely a case of users making a secure system insecure. If you are willing to risk it with your devices and your data, fine. Good luck. But I'm not. I can use my laptop to study Irish until a properly verifiable Duo kindle app update is available.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidcwalls

        I agree that is it worthwhile to carefully consider the safety implications of installing software on your devices. Conservatism in making decisions about security is a good tendency, and equally, embarking on an endeavour without understanding it is a bad tendency. I would not wish to encourage anyone to engage in risky behaviour, hence my strong admonition to avoid downloading .apk files from the Internet. But, in the interest of fully informed discussion, I must disagree with you on several minor points:

        1) Systems cannot be secure. Security is not an off/on setting. It is a series of decisions and trade-offs between usability and protection. I point this out because misunderstanding it can lead to complacency and greater danger: if one were to suppose that either carefully following Amazon's recommendations or adhering to certain specific settings could keep one secure such that further vigilence beyond those steps was unneccessary, one would be wrong. (Please note that I am not implying that you have made this error, just that it is a risk

        2) The procedure I outlined does not bypass built-in Android security. The vast majority of Android users are able to get exactly the same results without bypassing anything. What is bypassed is trusting Amazon to be somehow better able to identify Duolingo as the publisher of the app. I trust both Amazon and Google to do a reasonable job of making sure it is really Duolingo that has submitted the app to the store. I am certain that the slowness with which Amazon adds Duolingo upgrades to the store has nothing to do with security. The setting that is turned off in step 6 (and back on in 8) does only one thing: it ensures that you only install apps from Amazon's store.

        3) Characterizing this process as "sideloading 3rd party apps" is a bit misleading. Anyone who runs Duolingo on a Kindle Fire is trusting 3 parties: Duolingo, maker of the app; Google, maker of Android; and Amazon, maker of the KF and tweaker of Android. Sideloading Duolingo from Google is trusting exactly the same 3 parties.

        4) The implication that sideloading Duolingo from the Google Play store definitely makes seems unsubstantiated to me.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulCulloty

        Plus, if Amazon updated the store in accordance with new versions of the app, it wouldn't be necessary. Incidentally, by visiting a certain well-known alphanumeric app web site, sideloading can be avoided entirely, and the Kindle system is entirely unscathed.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidcwalls

        I can't resist asking: what is the well-known site?

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