Swedish: Useful links and discussion topics, an overview.
We'll try to collect links to useful discussion topics here. We plan to write more explanatory texts about various subjects in the future, and add the links here.
- Välkommen|Welcome The official welcome thread. Please read before starting this course! It has answers to many frequently asked questions.
- Swedish online dictionaries and lexical resources
- Introduction to the Swedish Language Video by Blehg
- List of nouns with vowel change (umlaut) in the plural.
- Compound words and joint morphemes
- Some general rules for forming the plural of nouns
- Swedish-English false friends
- Words for relatives
- About mamma och pappa
- 'Du' and 'ni'
- The gender neutral pronoun hen
- Vill ha, tycker om and lagar mat About some verbs that may be difficult at first.
- Tycka, tänka and tro, what's the difference?
- Infinitives with or without att
- Dropping har/hade in the perfect tense
- Till och med, ändå, ännu, även
- Verkligen, faktiskt or egentligen?
- Före och innan, what's the difference?
- What’s the difference between här/hit, hem/hemma and var/vart? – on motion and location
- God or bra, what's the difference?
- Something about words for color – hopefully we'll get a longer text about this soon, but for starters there's at least some information in this thread.
- Middag and other meals in Swedish
- Cookies and cakes
- Time and money in Swedish
- Sport or idrott, what's the difference?
- Thread with some good answers about Jo det har jag
- Thread with good answers about "the" vs "my" – the pocket or my pocket?
- ’Kunskap är viktigt’ Common gender noun + adjective in the neuter, why?
- Some cases of nouns without an article [köpa bil, gå på restaurang]
- Professions and similar without an article
- Speaking about body parts in Swedish
- Deponent verbs (verbs like det finns, det känns, jag hoppas)
- en or ett – some tendencies
- Simple present vs present progressive – Swedish has no 'is reading', how do we cope without it???!
- The det är construction - how to start talking about things
- Introduction to Swedish word order
- Swedish sounds Good sound clips of vowel sounds, etc at Digitala spåret (they have some good exercises too)
- Pronunciation help Native Swede (Hashmush) pronounces sentences from the course for you, you can even leave a request! Really helpful for those sentences when our TTS is wrong (not so many any longer since we got a new voice, see below). Edit, it seems that these recordings have expired since the site they were on doesn't provide longtime storage.
- The pronunciation of de and dem
- How should the word arkitekt be pronounced?
- Swedish R's: How to pronounce them?
- Blehg has made several very helpful videos about Swedish pronunciation, see a list of them here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/6502614
- One of Blehg's videos is about pitch accent. You saw that video and now your inner nerd just can't get enough – you want find out everything there is to find out about pitch accent. This discussion contains not one but two links to documents that will make you very, very happy.
- List of known pronunciation errors of the new voice: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/7316662
- devalanteriel is making his own recordings of some sentences in the course where the pronunciation doesn't sound that great. Check out this thread: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/23723515
- Colloquial Swedish – post about how spoken Swedish actually sounds and some differences between what we say and what we write
As far as listening comprehension is concerned, I can recommend http://svtplay.se It's SVT's online streaming website that allows you to watch their shows, although if you're outside of Sweden you are mostly limited to news programmes. What's really helpful is the fact that almost all of the shows in their archive have Swedish subtitles.
Finally, if your Swedish is more advanced, you can head to to http://sr.se, which is Sveriges Radio's website. I think they provide live streaming of all their channels. P1 is particularly superb, because it is purely a talk channel, meaning you're never interrupted by music.
The SR show "Språket" is great if you're learning Swedish, and the episodes are all available as podcasts: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/avsnitt?programid=411
If you use a VPN you can watch Swedish TV programs. For beginners some of the childrens' programs are useful, eg Djur med Julia - Animals with Julia http://www.svtplay.se/video/2388381/djur-med-julia/avsnitt-1 Each video has Swedish subtitles
For me the learning curve shoots up radically as soon as Possessives come into play. I think there are a couple of causes: firstly, the awful speech rendition; secondly, the lack of separation of singular and plural. Personally, I think I would learn more, and more effectively, were this part staged into separate units for singular and plural. There's a lot to get in this short section and it is delivered in a pattern that feels confusing, as though there's no clarity to what we're supposed to be remembering. Having a goal explained (eg, now you're going to learn singular 2nd person, etc). As it stands, Possessives seems to me a sudden rockface in an otherwise manageable upward hill.
I was looking for something to complement and specially help me in memorising "strange" words of the Swedish Duolingo Course and I found this course in Memrise!
It may be added to your list, its a great index of all words in the DL course and may help everyone!
Hejsan alla! I don't know if these links are already shared here somewhere or not, but if you guys would like to here some real Swedish you should test these radio stations. It's great fun. First, I consider myself lucky as I live in a country where Swedish is the second official language. Not only because it's possible to actually use the language but also because Fenno Swedish is a lot easier to understand and speak (at least for a Finn) than Sweden's Swedish. So, if you think the same way or would like to introduce yourself to Fenno Swedish, I recommend listening to these radio stations:
X3M is more of a radio station for young people and Vega has more content like the news and documentaries and music for grown-up's taste. It also features local radio stations.
If you feel like listening to Swedens Swedish I recommend listening to Sveriges radio's stations: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/allakanaler.aspx
P1 sends talk shows
P2 sends classical music, jazz, folk and content in minority languages
P3 is a channel of popular culture (quite similar to Yle X3M)
P4 sends the news, local programs, talk shows, documentaries and sports (similar to Yle Vega)
You should especially note their Radio Sweden service that offers little newsclips with easy-to-understand Swedish: https://sverigesradio.se/radioswedenpalattsvenska
Both Yle and Sveriges radio have mobile apps as well if you want to listen to them on the go.
My recommendations, hope you enjoy listening to Swedish!
The Blehg videos were very instructive! I actually found two more, both about the Swedish vowels, but maybe they are so new that you have not had time to add links to them yet.
Tips! When you have watched the videos about Swedish language, I recommend this one as well. It explains how the map of Europe has changed since before WWI. As far as I understand, it is also created by Blehg.
Here's a YouTube video that might be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHe7f_L7S2Q. It's a little on the homemade side, but she is slow and clear. A more formal (and excellent) version of this kind of material are the Academia Cervena videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epqzb44SWAU. I also use a variety of definition and pronunciation sites: Forvo.com, Google translate, dict.cc (ensv.dict.cc) and Dicios (en.dicios.com/sven/). Forvo has native speakers and if you become a member, you can compile a "favorites" pronunciation bank. Google translate works OK most of the time, but may actually provide too much information for a beginner. Dict.cc is in beta so it does not have all of the words pronounced, but when they are, they are pronounced by humans. One really great feature of dict.cc is that you are taken to a word's inflections (nouns and verbs) simply by clicking on it. Like Dict.cc, Dicios does not have sound files for all of its words. When it does, the word is pronounced by a human and, most importantly, played over and over on a constant loop until you stop it. I have found that the repetition of the word over and over is what has finally helped me truly hear the unique vowel sounds and consonant sounds of Swedish. A single vocalization of a word simply did not give my ear enough time to dissect what it was hearing. Hope this helps.
This is from a show for kids called "Fem myror är fler än fyra elefanter" (trans. 5 ants are a greater number than 4 elephants). The video shows their song about the alphabet, I would personally say that the big elephant in the video is a bit nasal in its pronunciation of some letters. (The big elephant have a dialect very particular for Stockholm so he is not wrong just not necessarily representative for the nation as a whole)
Anyway - hope it helps!
It's a quite pedagogical kids' show - with every episode dedicated to a letter or a number (I think).
Yes and no regarding pronunciation. How the letter is pronunced in the alphabet and how it is pronunced in different words may differ a lot. In the english language the letter "W" is a good example. But at least we do not have many diphthongs making it even more different.
Try the lesson on inflections: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQx3ACpbXhk. The first time I listened to it, I realized that there could be some serious linguistic landmines lurking out there for me and it scared me a little. Now that I've learned a little more Swedish, it is funny again.....As raunchy as they are, you will learn a lot.
Hej! Tack för det! So happy that Swedish is on duolingo - thanks duolingo team. One question though, are you still working on the voice that reads the swedish words? 'De' is pronounced as it's written in duolingo, whereas from what I understand from Swedish friends, is it not meant to be pronounced 'Dom'? Or are there just different ways of pronouncing it depending on where in Sweden you're from?
Maybe I should mention this here too: we're now (2015-02-10) beta-testing another voice that pronounces de correctly. If it wins, and it probably will, everybody will get the new voice instead. People who still have the old voice can hear the new one at ivona.com (select Swedish Astrid from the menu).
I suppose "de" is technically pronounced as it's written, especially in somewhat older Swedish, but people in general just pronounce "de" and "dem" as "dom" (to such an extent that "dom" is almost becoming an accepted written alternative to "de/dem", much to my distress). You could get away with pronouncing "de" as it's written, but if you were to pronounce "dem" as it's written you're just going to sound silly.
I am using this book - "Swedish an essential grammar" . It seems quite good :) here is link: http://jons2580.free.fr/75%20livres%20d%27enseignement%20de%20langues/Swedish%20essential%20grammar.pdf
That link didn't work for me but I found it by googling "Swedish an essential grammar pdf" http://www.readersstuffz.com/downloads/ebooks/Language%20Books/Swedish/Swedish%20-%20Essential%20Grammar.pdf
On PC's, at the bottom of the correct answer screen for each question, there is a "Report a Problem" button and a "Discussion" button. On Android phones, the bottom of the screen has a flag icon and a speech bubble icon for these functions. For issues of poor or alternative translation, idiom, clarity, etc. use the Report a Problem button. The response time on the Swedish site is VERY fast. There SHOULD be a general support tab on the left side of your computer screen, but mine has disappeared. You can always get to general support by scrolling to the very bottom of the screen and clicking on Help.
Thanks everyone for the links and info :) I just came to Duolingo two days ago, and am absolutely loving this site. I find it's also insanely motivating to come to the discussion forums and see the amazing levels that so many people are at (and in so many languages)...! It's sort of like adult Brownie points, or something. :)
I don't know if this has already been posed, but here is a link to the Goethe-Verlag tests and exercises in Swedish. You choose your native language and the real fun can begin! :) http://www.goethe-verlag.com/tests/index1.htm
BTW, tack for all the links and all your amazing help guys, much appreciated.
You should try Swedish comics.There are plenty of good ones.E.g.Arne Anka | Dagens Arbete http://da.se/2015/01/arne-anka-3/ or Rocky by Martin Kellerman.Martin Kellerman (@kellermannen) | Twitter https://twitter.com/kellermannen.Here is a list of the best comic books chosen by the Swedish Comics Society.Alot of links there.Pristagare | Urhunden http://urhunden.se/pristagare/
The Klartext, a news program in easy Swedish: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/default.aspx?programid=493
Here yo might find useful a searcher of verbs that gives you every conjugation of every verb once you enter the infinitive. If you do not know the infinitive, try to write a word as close as possible and the searcher might lead you to the word you were looking for.
Thank you, Biceee, this list contains many useful links that I have not seen before. Have a lingot and thank you for sharing.
I didn't know where to post this without making a new discussion, but I have a question about swedish accents. It sounds to me like the language is spoken very "nasily", and I especially notice this in women. I can't really tell regional differences, but I know I mainly listen to people from Stockholm, which are less nasily. Is a nasal sound in the voice common/intentional when speaking Swedish? Sometimes when I'm joking around I make my voice sound really nasily on purpose. Should I actually talk like that? Sorry for bringing this thread back up, but I didn't want to start a new discussion. Tack!
So you have some basis for comparison, try going to Forvo.com where you can input a word and hear it pronounced by native speakers - all genders and ages. The locations of the speakers are shown on a map, so you can hear regional differences. If you set up a Forvo account, you can save words to make your own pronunciation library. You can also submit a request to have a word pronounced. I really like listening and reading along at 8sidor.se. Also, there's a bunch of movies and TV shows on Netflix. I figure that the diction used by news presenters and actors is probably the the clearest and the closest to "standard" you can get.
This is the first time I've heard anyone claim that Swedish is spoken in a nasal way. Do you have any examples? Any videos or recordings?
I completely disagree with this: > I can't really tell regional differences, but I know I mainly listen to people from Stockholm, which are less nasily. Stockholm is the only place I would consider having more nasal sounds than the rest of Sweden.
Are you sure that you don't confuse it with some other phenomenon? Like the vowels i, u and y?
I actually understand what Dobie42 is saying. For example, when I watch "Djur med Julia," (don't judge) the vowels, H's and J's all sound sort of nasally. They're not as nasal as French, but they sound like they sound like they come from the back of the mouth up towards the nose. Here's an example: http://www.svtplay.se/video/2488941/djur-med-julia/avsnitt-12
Oh my god, I couldn't watch more than a minute of that.
She does have a kind of nasal "å" sometimes. But I don't think I would consider this something standard. The "h"s sound like they're pronounced in a non-standard position in the throat, possibly a bit higher up than normal. Also, her pronunciation of "kanske" makes it obvious that she's from Norrland.
Disclaimer: I'm just a hobby linguist, so don't trust anything I say.
No judging here ;) I actually enjoyed that video. But yeah, that's the sound I'm talking about, just not as strong in this video. Maybe nasal is the wrong word for it. I'll link some in a bit. It's more of something that I notice passively, so I need to track down some of the videos.
Maybe my ears just perceive it as being stronger or more nasally than it actually is..
I'm sorry you disagree, but there's a reason I asked this question...because I didn't know. I'll link some examples when it isn't 3:30 in the morning.
Here, I'll correct myself: from what I'm used to, people from Stockholm seem less nasily. To me.
By the way, I'm not necessarily "claiming" it is spoken in a nasal way, I'm just asking, because I don't know if it is or isnt .
Why does pewdiepie aka (Felix Keliberg) say that Vill du hungla means: Do you want to dance. But then when I search up on google translate what it means it says: Do you want to make out? I am confused. Please help because I am young and still learning this language. THANKS!
Here are the sentences: http://pastebin.com/LKCqqkaq
Here are the grammar notes: http://pastebin.com/wGKjdXyp
I make no guarantees about the completeness or formatting. I'm providing this purely as a help to fellow learners, and I ask that you not use it in some way that would negatively impact Duolingo or the course creators.
Wow, thank you VERY much. This will make it possible to continue working the the excellent Duolingo material while we are in Sweden the coming month. I am planning to put the sentences all one by one on flashcard which makes it possible to flick through them while on the go when having those little moments we have to wait or are travelling. Please, take a lingot for your efforts.
Hej killar jag hoppas att du kan svara på mig. Jag har startat en grupp i WhatsApp för all nationalitet att gå med och diskutera språk Jag hoppas att du kunde gå med här(English translation :Hello guys I hope you can respond to me. I've started a group in WhatsApp for all nationality to join and discuss languages I hope you could join here) https://chat.whatsapp.com/DDC0AwD7YT246yBxaUFCHD
Hej! I’m very glad I found this forum (I’ve been using the app, which I don’t think has a direct way to navigate here).
I am trying to move to Sweden and duolingo has been very helpful in teaching myself the language again. My first language is (american) English but I also spoke Swedish with my family when I was young. It has been over 25 years since I spoke Swedish regularly though, so I definitely need practice.
I’m especially glad to find the links to the pronunciation videos, as half of my family is from the Göteborg area and the other half is from Åland, so I expect I am likely mixing what I remember of pronunciation and not even realizing it! Tack så mycket for all the helpful information!