Some help with mitbringen vs bringen
Ich bringe dir das Buch.</pre>
Here, I am bringing the book to you. That is my goal and the purpose of my coming to you.<pre>
Ich bringe dir das Buch mit.</pre>
This sentence implies that I am going to you anyway and I could just bring along the book. In English you would probably say bring with me or just bring but German just uses mitbringen and it is kind of strict. Like… you’re having a party and I am invited and I already said I’d come. Then you call me and ask
Kannst du mir mein Buch bringen?
I would be quite confused. Why do I need to bring you your book? Can’t I just bring it with (me) when I come, later? I mean, people would understand it but the mit is not really optional. There is a difference between mitbringen and bringen and people feel it. So try getting used to the mit.
Coincidentally, I have met people in various regions of USA who will end their sentence with a preposition (which is not considered good form in the more formal US English!). One might hear, "I will go with" (I will go with you) or "Can you bring it with?" (Can you bring it with you?). Perhaps German sentence composition has remained around in these areas!
A good page that nicely explains things can be found at: http://marathonsprachen.com/german-verbs-with-separable-prefixes-trennbare-verben/
Those are not valid English sentences, but it has nothing to do with ending them with prepositions. I can say "she's the person I will go with" or "I will go with her" or "she is the person with whom I will go." All are fine. A preposition is definitely something that you can end a sentence with.
It is the old trennbares verb trick. Split the prefix off the verb and leave it dangling at the end of the sentence. Thereby encouraging people to try and include the apparent meaning of what seems like an extra article or preposition into the sentence.
Every time a verb prefix that I haven't seen split off before is sent to the end of the sentence for punishment, I rack my brains trying to figure out...what could this possibly mean? How could it possibly fit in this simple sentence?
Of course the actual meaning of the separated prefix is already included in my understanding of the sentence.
It is just a question of practice until eventually the separated verb prefix seems natural. Using anki to practice sentences with trenbares verbs, it doesn't take very for long for that to happen.
So, the better way to ask someone to bring your book along with them would be "Kannst du mir mein Buch mitbringen?" then? Google Translate sure doesn't pick up on this nuance! The translation given for the above sentence is: "Can you bring my book with me?" (totally wrong, correct?) - or do I need to separate "mit" from "bringen" when it's in infinitive form as well?
From what I'm picking up on, not sure if 100%, but if you omit the 'mit' the meaning becomes that the reason for you going to where ever you are going is to bring the people,with the 'mit' means you're already going to your destination and you're bringing your people with you.
I think--but could be wrong--that the distinction between "bringen" and "mitbringen" is point-of-reference
mitbringen - to bring along, for example, "I'm having a party and told my friend to bring along a date."
bringen - to take along, for example, "When you go to the bank, take your ID card."
The only context I can think of in American English that I've heard "bring" mean "take along" is in South Park when Towlie says, "Don't forget to bring a towel."
In this example, I would say it's different because the teacher is already at the destination. If you're about to leave for class and mention to your housemate that you have a test, would he say, "Don't forget to take a calculator" or "Don't forget to bring a calculator"? In my part of the world, we'd use "take". Although, I think it could go either way if the housemate is also in the same class and will also be going to take the test.
There's so much nuance in language that I don't even think about until someone asks for one of these distinctions. It's a little overwhelming when I try to sort out the loose "rules" that apply to my own dialect.
"Leute" is plural and is used as an accusative in this sentence. The "e" on "seine" is the plural ending for an accusative possessive pronoun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declension. The "en" on "eigenen" is the plural adjective ending for all plural nouns preceded by an "ein" article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_adjectives. It helped me a lot to make my own chart of all this.
Thank you for the explanation. I always think that the preposition 'mit' will mean that the dative must be used, but I guess that because it is part of a seperable verb and goes at the end of the sentence it does not have this effect. So could I say ''Bring es mit dir'', where the 'dir' would be in dative because the 'mit' comes before it? Thank you
As you start a new section, there is a liitle (tip) section on the right hand side before you start giving additional information I suppose as to what one needs in this section.....NOT SO ON THE ANDROID version.....the question is, does anyone know how to enter this area after we have started a section.....I mean, I personally feel like the library is now closed but I need to research and learn.