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"- Har du inga byxor? - Jo det har jag."

Translation:- Don't you have any pants? - Yes I do.

December 13, 2014

181 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Why is a review lesson introducing new material? While I understand that Jo is different in this case I have never encountered this before.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Riri194826

When the question has a negative tag, we usually use "Jo" So in this case, since it's- "Har du inga byxor?" "Jo" But if it's "Har du byxor?" "Ja" This is what I know


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CaliforniaNorma

Thank you! Have a Lingot for your sage advice :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WildSage

Yeah it is really annoying. I've never encountered Jo until the review and it came with no explanation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trilby16

That always annoys me too. I'm trying hard to learn this, but when random idiosyncrasies of svenska are thrown into a lesson with no prior explanation... arg! It's like, here you go.... Wrong!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jbolliger_vafud

I think it is because they are still working on the course and it isnt 100% so new things keep getting added to all lessons. I had that when i was doing Norwegian and it got so confusing i had to start completely over again


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CaliforniaNorma

I think it's fun! It's like ..um..learning? Things come up and..hey, a new word in my face, yay! It's life. I'm grateful to the team and all my fellow and sister conspirators :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Conanz

Where are these lessons?! :'(

Are they available/accessible through the android app?!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MaryBeth378619

I found that the whole thing is different on my pc than the android. Check it out.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

There are some discussions in this forum about alternative translations. I would like to point out that the best translation of the second part of the dialogue in this case is really as it says above, Yes I do. The word det in the second sentence does not refer to the pants. It is an empty word, more like the formal subject in phrases like Det regnarIt rains, it's a placeholder word that needs to be there, but doesn't really represent anything. (it's just not a subject here)

We use this construction a lot when answering questions.
- Har du stängt dörren? - Ja det har jag.
- Have you closed the door? - Yes I have.
or
- Har du sett henne? - Ja det har jag.
- Have you seen her? - Yes I have.

and in similar ways we use the construction det gör jag:
- Bor du i Stockholm? - Ja det gör jag.
- Do you live in Stockholm? - Yes I do.
or
- Talar hon svenska? - Ja det gör hon.
- Does she speak Swedish? - Yes she does.
and
- Har du en bror? - Ja det har jag.
- Do you have a brother? - Yes I do.

So you see, when there's a do you have in English, you repeat the do part in the answer, just as we repeat har in Har du stängt dörren? Ja det har jag. And if there isn't a har to repeat, we use gör instead. The second sentence does not mean "I have it/them/whatever". It means "I do".

NOTE TO EVERYONE: this comment is only about why the last part of the sentence is "det har jag". In this comment, I use simpler examples, not with a negated question, but with a normal question. With a negated question (don't you have …?), you cannot answer ja. You can only answer nej (if you don't have it) or jo (if you do have it).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/funtaco

Firstly, thank you so much for all of your excellent explanations... you have helped clear up so many of my misconceptions.

Secondly, why does jag come after det har? In the sentences I have seen so far the verb seems to come after the subject, e.g. Jag har, hon äter, etc. However, it seems to be completely the opposite here. Is there a grammar rule I am missing or is this simply an exception?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

It's the V2 rule: the verb goes in second place in all sentences that are not questions or subclauses. Apparently ja is not included in the counting, so that the 'sentence' is Det har jag, and within that unit, the verb needs to go in the second place.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NogoBogo

Wouldn't "det har jag" then translate to something like "it has I" or "that has I"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

Closest literal thing I could think of in English would be 'that I have'. det is just a placeholder, jag is the subject here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MetroWestJP

"That I have" is a perfect translation of "det har jag". I was going to suggest it if you hadn't. And of course, "that I do" is the prefect translation for "det gör jag".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hjtunfgb

After thinking about it for a while, I came to the following conclusion:

The "det" in all of these sentences are the placeholder of the object, "gör/har/är" is the verb following the V2 rule, and "jag/du/..." is the subject. The construction is pretty much like English's "Yes, I do"; but while, in English, the object is omitted, in Swedish, there is an inversion.

This is just an educated guess, am I correct? And if so, is there any particular reason for the inversion(like being related to questions or something like that), or is it just because that's how people use it?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

You can't say that in either language. It has me would translate to Det har mig. To clarify, you can say that in Swedish but that's not what it means.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kass.S646

(really late question, but) Is this like the phrase "Det vet jag" or "Det vet han inte heller"? -for the response part


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hrafnunga

As for grammar rules, I think it's only when answering a question that the order is such. If it follows yes/no, that affects the order. There may be others which I haven't learned yet.

The order is slightly similar to that of old/middle/early modern English. The usage of "det" is very much like the middle/early modern English usage of "that" - for example: Speakest thou Swedish? Yes, that I do. Sometimes still used in the U.K. in formal settings or by the Gaelic peoples. An even more archaic rendering would be "þæt dō ic" - because English was influenced by the Nordic languages through Viking incursions into the North and East of the British Isles (not to mention the fact that it was already a West Germanic language related to Dutch).

I welcome corrections as I do not actually speak Old English (yet).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Old/Middle English is very intersting. I think they should make a course for it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tthomastx

That would be really awesome if they did a course for old/middle english. it would help with a lot of reading for literature and i would find it very interesting, they really should look into it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

They need a volunteer that is fluent in the language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LelandSun

As with other highly inflected languages, in Old English the word order is not as rigidly fixed as in modern English, but that was already the way before the Viking invasion that commenced at the end of the 8th century. When most word endings were eventually dropped, Middle English and modern English relied instead on word order to resolve the meanings of sentences. Thus, subject-predicate became the predominant norm in indicative statements.

Even then, as JohnWycliffe points out, we haven't entirely abandoned starting a sentence with the object. Poets, in particular, took advantage of this construction whenever that suited their purpose. Here is one of my long-time favorite such instances, from John Milton's Paradise Lost (1667):

Him the Almighty Power / Hurled headlong flaming from th’ ethereal sky, / With hideous ruin and combustion, down / To bottomless perdition, there to dwell / In adamantine chains and penal fire, / Who durst defy th’ Omnipotent to arms.

Starting the sentence with the object pronoun "him" makes immediately clear that it is not the subject. With our attention focused on the object (referring to Lucifer), it is all the more vivid to read what was done to him. The final pentameter of the sentence is a dependent clause that refers all the way back to the first word, and that works well because the object has been at the center of our attention all the while. Admittedly this construction gives the sentence a formal, antiquated flavor, even from 17th century's perspective, but that was very much the intention considering the subject matter.

Aside from verse, we encounter the object-first word order even in ordinary discourse today, as in John's example "That I do." The statement is immediately understood, and in the right context it sounds perfectly natural.

It just so happens that I recently came upon the BBC documentary The Adventure of English (2002) on YouTube. (Episode 1 begins the narrative from the arrival in the 5th century of Germanic tribes that conquered the Celts. From the languages they brought with them emerged the language of Beowulf. The summary of the Vikings' influence on English grammar appears at about 35 minutes into the episode.) This program makes the assertion that the collision with Old Norse rather took English away from its Germanic roots, or that it helped to hurry-along its process of modernization. Old English and Old Norse both employed the practice of tacking-on articles and number- and gender- and case-indicators to the ends of words. There was already a tendency for word endings to lose their distinctness, and it is precisely because these two languages were so alike and yet different enough that this process was accelerated to the point that cases could no longer be distinguished by word endings, and prepositions needed to be inserted and word order took on a new importance.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PiotrBajbak

this does not work. The answer I need to choose to pass this exercise is with "jo" not with "ja".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

The comment you're answering is about the other part of the sentence, det har jag, which also needs explaining.

When you answer a negative question in Swedish (a question like don't you have …, you cannot answer with ja, you can only answer with either nej (if you don't have the thing) or jo (if you have the thing).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hannah832422

This is the first time I have actually seen this explained! Tack så mycket! Here, have a lingot!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Damirmmmm

But this isn't a negative question. It says "Har du inga byxor". What is negative about it that requires "Jo"??


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Inga means no or none.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Damirmmmm

Tack så jättemycket!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KattSkold

Thank you for the ja -vs- jo explanation. Up to this point, I had always viewed them as the exact same word - interchangeable by preference alone, so I had no idea why "ja" hadn't been acceptable. Your answer was exactly what I was wondering/looking for.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amandawesc

as an aside to your note- jo and ja both mean yes; but ja is only 'correct' when the question has no negative conjugation? I do not remember learning about "jo" previously, so do you have any comments on the proper/formal use of jo? Thanks!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hrafnunga

Jo is like German doch or French si. You could think of it as meaning "on the contrary" when responding to a negative question. To borrow from thorr18 at the bottom of this thread:

Jo is used to answer yes to a negative question. Ja is used to answer yes to other questions. Positive: "You are entertained??" Ja Neutral: "Are you entertained?" Ja Negative: "Are you not entertained?!" Jo Negative tag: "You are entertained, aren't you?" Jo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nane1983

As a native German speaker, this was the easiest explanation I could get. Tack så mycket!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/adamgallag1

very helpful thanks. be great to have in the tips and notes section.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paularizing

It's also like that in German, with the difference that people use these forms only when emphasizing the task:

Hast du die Tür zugemacht? - Ja das habe ich. But as I said, this construction is not often used.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/johninbigd

This answered a couple of questions I had. This construction was confusing to me, but now it is starting to make sense. And I need to keep reminding myself of the V2 rule, which puts the verb in places that confuse me initially.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NikolMalja

In slovakian language we have something similar we say something like this : Yes I did it instead of just saying : Yes I did. We say "it" always in these types of answers so I like to think that swedish does the same kind of thing. By the way slovakian language like swedish doesnt have the present continuous tense we just use present simple for everything. Just some random fun facts here :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LelandSun

First of all, thank you, Arnauti, for you very helpful explanations here and elsewhere on the discussion forums. I would like to ask a follow-up question about this topic.

I see that the example question "Har du stängt dörren?" is in the past perfect tense. In spite of its appearance, the response "Ja det har jag" is too in the perfect tense, since "stängt dörren" is implied. We can thus understand that "Ja det gör jag" would not be a suitable reply due to its mismatch of tense with the question.

On the other hand, "Har du en bror?" is in the present tense, although the verb is also "har". In this consideration, would it also be possible to reply "Ja det gör jag", as in English where the reply could be either "Yes I have" or "Yes I do"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

To Har du stängt dörren?, you could answer Ja det har jag gjort, where gjort is a form of göra, and Stängde du dörren? can be answered as Ja, det gjorde jag, so yes, the tense has to agree, but you can still have the verb göra.

With Har du en bror?, you can't have göra in the answers, it just sounds odd, as if having a brother was some kind of action you could choose to perform or not perform.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LelandSun

Thanks, Arnauti, for clearing this up.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/B.Weber1

Does that mean that 'Nej det har jag' is grammatically correct? I first came across this on a select the answer question with no clues, guessed 'nej' and it was marked as wrong.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

To a negative question like 'don't you have …?', you can either answer nej, det har jag inte if you don't have it or jo det har jag if you do have it. So if you have the thing, like here, you need to choose jo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/B.Weber1

Okay, that makes sense to me now. Tack så mycket!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nasser677522

Nej, det har inte jag. Would that be odd?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WSayeth

Slightly. It puts stress on "jag" in such a way that you imply that you know someone else who does. If that's the case, its a correct sentence


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sandeepa2

Tack så mycket


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trilby16

"Do you have no pants" -- Added to my list of sentences I would never utter. Because it's almost nonsensical.

Yes, we have no bananas - we have no bananas today!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/batatafrita18

Thanks Arnauti, you are awesome!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danielfawcett

Why can this not be "DO you have ANY pants?" as opposed to "DON'T you have any"/"do you have NO"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

Do you have any pants? is an open question, which in Swedish would be Har du några byxor?.
Don't you have any pants? is a negative question, one that assumes that the answer will be no. We need to have a negative question here, because what we're really trying to teach you is that you answer those questions with jo instead of ja. (if the answer is 'no', it is still nej)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danielfawcett

This makes a lot of sense, thank you! Have a Lingot


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NightCreature

Why do you answer with jo instead of ja, that makes no sense to me. In Dutch were you also have these negative questions the yes, ja also, doesn't change and neither would it in German.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ViArSkoldpaddor

Doch, in Deutsch würde es sich ändern. It would change in German, you wouldn't say "Ja", you would say "doch". I thought that was "toch" in Dutch.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NightCreature

You wouldnt answer a negative question with toch, it would be ja or jawel.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ViArSkoldpaddor

I see, thanks.

In German the contradiction to a negative question ("you don't have pants, do you?") would be answered with "doch" (to mean "you are wrong, I do have them"), since "ja" would be ambiguous and could mean either "yes, you are right, I don't", or "yes, I do have them", which are two complete opposites.

It seems to be the same in Swedish.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

That's just how Swedish is.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NightCreature

There has to be a reason for this, if I understand the reason it is a lot easier for me to remember.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

The reason is that normally ja means you agree with someone, but nej means you disagree. When someone asks you a negative question, you sort of agree and disagree at the same time, it's a different kind of 'yes' from when you answer a normal question. It's a kind of 'yes' that also carries a sense of contradiction in it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

I know what you mean about needing a reason. I say that to all my Swedish friends who try to help me with Swedish. This is in response to a negative question. See these examples:

Har du mat? - Ja, det har jag.* (Do you have food? - Yes, I do.)

Har du ingen mat? - Jo det har jag.* (Don't you have any food? - Yes, I do.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Now that you explained that Arnauti it actually makes a whole lot more sense than it did before! Have a lingot!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

I'm happy to hear that, jarrettph.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseeV64

In Dutch the answer to a negative question is "ja" or "ja.....wel": "Heb je geen broeken?" "Jawel, die heb ik."/"Ja, die heb ik wel." (or "Nee, ik heb er geen." when you've only skirts and dresses ;-) )


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Soasamuel

In Italian for instance, it is emphasised with the intonation of the voice, but in Swedish it is a total distinction!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrydwatson

'Jo' is interchangeble with 'ja'? Or is one more informal? Or are they the same but just alternative spellings?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zmrzlina

Jo is used to answer yes to a negative question, like French si or German doch.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrydwatson

French si, got it. Tusentack


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NogoBogo

I don't remember covering this material before...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/creativemetaphor

I haven't learned this yet, though I see from other threads this is a common issue? I only got this word/sentence after completing prepositions when I did a 'strengthen skills'.

Does this carry the meaning of "Yes I do have pants" or is it agreeing that I don't have them?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ViArSkoldpaddor

The "jo" part is disagreeing with the negative question, i guess it could be losely translated like "but of course" in english, but not quite so emphatic. So it is a bit like saying "but of course i do" (have pants). (The less emphatic bit is extrapolated from german "doch", not sure how much emphasis it carries in Swedish, would be nice if one of the native speakers could confirm.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/superdaisy

Why does "yes I have them" not work?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

It sounds strange to me because the question is whether you have any (whatsoever), so how can these purely hypothetical pants suddenly be "them"? But I asked an American friend who said this sounded OK to them, so I'll add it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/superdaisy

Pants is plural in English--or at least the "s" ending tricks the brain into thinking it's plural. Thus, "Where are my pants?" "They are in the bedroom." sounds better than "it is in the bedroom."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

Yes, but my problem was that they're replaced with a pronoun in the first place, since they weren't previously known. It's like talking about something in the definite form the first time you mention it. (to my Swedish ears)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jayna_Johns

Native English speaker here, I actually agree with you. I think "yes I have some" should be accepted before "yes, I have them", as like you said, the pants haven't been introduced yet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

I guess since pants are plural "some" doesn't really say anything about how many of them you have? That's the only thing that worries me with this phrase, except what I wrote in my long comment about short answers. I've added this answer now.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

To further elaborate, if you'd said "Yes I do, they are in the kitchen", that would have sounded perfectly normal to me. Then I'd feel they were "properly introduced".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexisLinguist

That's something we do quite often in American English, as far as I know. I definitely get what you're saying, though. I'm likely to go either way, for no reason whatsoever. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

Good to find out, these nuances are pretty hard to know about for non-native speakers. I'll just point out that you should probably not say this in Swedish. - Har du inga byxor? - Jo jag har dem. would at least make me go What?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexisLinguist

Thanks for the info, I'll definitely curb that tendency when I start speaking Swedish. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/creativemetaphor

In English we refer to them as 'pants' or 'a pair of pants' even if only speaking of one item of clothing because way back in Medieval days they used to be two different pieces of clothing that were worn together, one for each leg. So in English, pants is actually plural, but referring to a single item of clothing, that historically was an actual pair - two items of clothing worn together.

That means in English, no one would find it odd to reply to "Where are your pants (singular)" with "I can't find them!" It would rather sound odd to reply with "I can't find it."

So English treats pants as a plural word, even if it is a singular garment. This is true for underwear, panties, shorts, etc. All treated as plural words in English.

This gets even more convoluted when discussing something about the pants, like you might say "pant leg" in the singular, but "pants pocket" in the plural.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

This was not my issue with the use of them, as I stated in my following comment.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cynyork

I've often wondered why we call them plural. Tack


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Yes I have some sounds better than Yes I have them for a question like this. At least from my perspective of English you were right on Arnauti.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

You do not use them to refer to undefined pants. It's simple to use the versatile "Yes, I do" because it can be used as the answer in every one of these examples:
"Do you have your pants?"Yes, I have them".
"Do you have the pants?"Yes, I have them".
"Do you have any pants?"Yes, I have pants".
"Do you have some pants?"Yes, I have some".
Or, when in doubt, just answer "Yes". :)
Maybe Duo should offer an English-for-English-speaker's course. I don't mean that as a joke or derision, but rather I think it might be helpful for people to go into the other courses already knowing the meaning of words like genitive and maybe the IPA! Sorry, I'm sure there are better forums to post that thought.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mike-burns

I would never negate a negative question with the word "yes", in English. The answer should be " no, I do ".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

"Don't you have any pants? - No, I do." does not sound right. You might say No I don't but not if you DO have pants.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jxxmxxj

With the right tonal inflection, "No, I do!" would be believable coming from American English speakers (at least from some parts of the US). (The connotation would be something like "No, you're wrong! Where would you get that idea?!")

And I agree with GSmithUF that "You don't have any pants?" would be more likely (and accept the same responses).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WildSage

Yeah. I went with No - that is how it is used where I am from. And I'm not getting why that is wrong.

But they waited until a review lesson to introduce Jo at of nowhere then expected people to magically no what the word meant. I hope they add to an actual lesson this when the redo the tree.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GSmithUF

Well, in American English I don't really hear someone say "Don't you have any pants?" we say "You don't have any pants?" or some other derivative. "Don't you have any pants?" sounds foreign. I agree with mike-burns, but I also might say "Yes, I do" to "You don't have any pants."

More likely would probably be "Do you not have any pants?"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

I won't dispute that but both would get the same response.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/4070milesapart

I am a bit confused here. So one could or could not use "jo det gör jag" as an answer here?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

The rule is that with modal verbs (like ska or kan) or auxiliary verbs (like har), the first verb is repeated. With other verbs, we use gör instead.
Kan du läsa? Ja det kan jag 'Can you read? Yes I can'
Ska du läsa? Nej det ska jag inte 'Will you read? No I won't'
Har du inte läst? Jo det har jag. 'Haven't you read? Yes I have'
but
Läser du? Ja det gör jag. 'Are you reading? Yes I am'


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OpenVMS

So does he/she has that damn pants or not when the reply is "jo det har jag"? You don't have it, right? - No, I have it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

Yes, they have pants. Jo, means "yes".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ilenuca_mare

so my answer was: "do you have no pants? i have them" and was marked as wrong. the suggested correct answer was: "Do you have no pants? Yes I have them." can someone please explain how important "yes" is? and does its absence change the meaning? cause to me it sounds the same ... thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ViArSkoldpaddor

The learning point of this sentence is the word "jo", which is a contradiction of the negative question. Since this is the important word in this sentence, it is kind-of important to translate it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GlitterNinja101

All I did was not put the little "-" symbols because this was one of those "listen and type" things, and it said I got it wrong...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Don't use punctuation. You can't go wrong then.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GlitterNinja101

I honestly can't tell if that was sarcasm or not...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Was not meant to be, simply telling you what I do to hopefully help. Other than apostrophes, punctuation is not checked by Duolingo and this is especially helpful in timed practice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GlitterNinja101

Oh. That is helpful, though. It was odd, I used punctuation such as periods and commas, but left out the dashes, and i was counted as wrong. :/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/britt668621

I get the reason for the use of ja and jo. I think we actually do have several "types" of yes' in english, its just that we are using inflection. If someone were to say to me , "do you not have any pants?" I could either answer ( in english) "no i don't" with very little inflection. Or i could use "Yes! I have them" ( with lots of inflection and emphasis on that instance of yes. if I were to use yes here with no inflection, it would sound strange. ) the funny thing is, answering this question with "no i have them" i would most likely be nodding my head yes while saying no i have them.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sufyazi

Where in the lesson was 'jo' taught? I really don't think I have seen this before.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LSMWhite

I'm so confused - I've never learnt jo before and it's just come up in my review skills. Is it like the equivalent of "si" in french? i.e responding the affirmative to negative question? Tu n'as pas un pantalon? - SI, j'en ai un. - Har du Inga byxor? - Jo det har jag

I read through all the comments but I'm still not sure...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

Yes, it's like si in French.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

French has si? I thought that was Spanish. You learn something new every day. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/isabel.hali

"Yes" but replying to a negative question, to my understanding.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MannuBeyHive

What is the difference between "jo" and "ja"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hrafnunga

Jo is used to answer yes to a negative question, like German doch or French si, whereas ja means yes in all other situations.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/odelie-

I'm a native French speaker and "si" just means yes and is hardly ever used, at least in my part of the world. Where does this explanation come from? I'm just curious because I've never heard of it having a specific function other than being a formal synonym for oui.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

Says si is "used to contradict a negative statement" and "Uncommon in Québec."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/si#Interjection


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/odelie-

Ahhhhh, makes sense! Thanks, I learned something about my own language today.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/johnnysabu

How would one answer "No I don't" to this question? Nej det har jag - I assume? If so then from the drop down menu I had 3 answers to pick from, Ja, Jo and Nej. I know when to use Ja or Jo but I wanted to see if "Nej det har jag" would be correct to answer the question "Har du inga byxor?" but it wasn't correct apparently.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Nej det har jag inte but it's not a correct translation of this sentence so it wouldn't be accepted.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarionGeorge

what is the rule for using jo rather than ja?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

See other comments.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mick796963

Its easy to do a literal translation to English. Just imagine how Yoda would say it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nasser677522

I think you guys can think of "jo" as saying "on the contrary"... But I'm not sure about this. I'm not fluent English speaker :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nasser677522

So can "jo" (by its own) be a shortcut answer?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GaelicGirl2

might be more a comment regarding english. But I was wondering if instead of the suggested "yes I do" you could say "yes I have (them)" It feels much more natural to me. (especially in a contradicting sentence like this, "I HAVE" seems to put a bit of extra emphasis)

(if you can't say it like that, I guess it's the dutch influence. Cause you can have pants, you don't DO your pants haha. "Heb je geen broek" - "ja(wel) die heb ik (wel)" similar to the swedish construction)

Curious for the answer, thnx :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

In English, you don't do your pants, as you say, but you can easily say "Yes, I do have pants".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SusanArsco

Trousers are pants in British English!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

They use trousers and pants interchangeably in most or all of the exercises, like this one:
https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/6742365


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lagolas2010

I try to say like "Don't you have pants? Yes, I don't" but duo marks it wrong and corrects me like I should have written "Don't you have any pants? Yes, I do" why so?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

In this exercise, the speaker does have pants.
They answered with Jo because it was a negative question (with don't instead of do) and they are contradicting that negative. Maybe that's why Jo sounds like a combination of yes and no :)
Details in other comments.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LelandSun

That's how it works in English. The "yes" or "no" simply affirms or denies having pants. You would reply the same way regardless whether the question is phrased as positive or negative. To say "Yes, I don't" is like saying yes and no at the same time.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ArpsTnd

What is the purpose of the "-"'s? Dialogues? Then how to write it in nonlinear form? More like, how you see it in novels.

"Don't you have any pants," asked he. "Yes I do."

Something like that, now how to write that in Swedish? (you could remove the "asked he")


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GSThina

This is so difficult


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leon415206

Why not..jo jag har det


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BigChungus070734

Can't the second part be/ Yes, I do have pants.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

Sure, but that's a little redundant to say pants again and the exercise doesn't have that redundancy in it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nika0106

"Jo det har jag" shouldn't that mean "Yes I have" ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

But then an English listener would think you meant "Yes, I have [done something]" Instead of the intended "Yes, I do [have something]".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseeV64

The answer to an English question "Don't you ?" is "Yes, I do" or "No, I don't". You repeat the verb.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandar648083

Curiosity, in this case why 'Jo' det har is correct but 'Ja' det har is wrong?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseeV64

Arnauti explained in the first comment on this page that the positive answer on a negated question is "jo". There is no why, it's just the way it is.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/M4gicMike

"Dont you have any pants" is esentially the same as "do you have any pants". It will gain the response so should be deemed correct


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kati626338

Word do is missing


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseeV64

Swedish is not English. The literal translation of "Jo det har jag" is "yes it have I" = "yes that have I". But that's not a proper reply in English. So the translation of the reply on the question "Don't you have any trousers?" becomes "Yes, I do."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/geirhardur

I clicked Ja and it marked wrong correcting me with Jo. ..what?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arnauti

You can't answer a negative question with ja in Swedish. If the question is like Don't you …?, your options are to answer nej for no ('No, I dont') or jo for yes ('Yes, I do').


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Unknowd

Why does swedish ignore the fact that the sentence is negative? So "jo" would confirm that you don't have it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Well that is the whole point of using jo instead of ja. If you would say "Ja", then you would be confirming that you don't have it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jstallin

The above seems to ask: Do you have any pants? to which "Yes" is the answer. "Don't you have any pants?" is possible in English, to which the "Jo det har hag." makes sense. Can the second question be asked as follows: Har du inte inga byxor?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

"Inga" means "no" as in none. "Do you have any pants" would be Har du några byxor.

inga - no / några - some/any


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NovaAlbist

I typed: "ja det har jag" But it told me the answer was "Jo det har jag" I was never taught "jo" but I think it means yes... Shouldn't "ja" be right too though?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jarrettph

Jo is used when countering a negative question. If you said "ja" to this question it would mean "Yes you are right, I have no pants" If you want to affirm that you do in fact have pants, you must use "jo".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/keerthana07

will jo, det gör jag ! work here ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/keerthana07

Oh . We use det har jag and not det gör ja because the initial sentence had a har in it ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/katy.doench

I don't understand det har jag...this is the first time I'm seeing it and there's no translation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

The translation can be seen at the top of this discussion page, before the comments.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dohee15

why Jo not Jag?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

Read the other comments. (and jag = I.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NinjaBinjaGAME

I too, do not have pants


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

but the person in the exercise does have pants.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Malte01

Does "Jo" means "Doch" in german?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShaneSincl3

Ah, teaching us the essentials I see!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bjluciane

If there's a question and an answer there should be a different reading/ intonation. This is hard to listen to.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseeV64

That would be nice! However, it's a TTS ;-( Maybe a Next-generation TTS will be capable of this feature.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nathalie866349

V2 rule can be "jo, jag har det" too? I am asking because I write jag befor det.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseeV64

I don't think that's a proper reply in Swedish although you do apply the V2 rule. Arnauti wrote a long comment about answering questions above on this page.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sjmcarter

Why is the English translation given as "don't you have..."? As a native (American) English speaker, the more natural wording would be "Do you have any...".

I am trying to understand if there will be a difference between the two introduced later, or if Duolingo is choosing the first construction for a specific purpose.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mamajelli

Doesn't "don't you have any pants" mean the same as "do you have any trousers?" The answer is Yes, I do!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mokvinna

Duolingo gives this sentence as the correct translation: Do you have no pants? Yes I do. It is not correct English.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trilby16

What the WHAT?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kibranoz

What is the dofference between ja and jo?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thorr18

Already asked and answered in this page, several times.
Jo is used to answer yes to a negative question.
Ja is used to answer yes to other questions.
Positive: "You are entertained??" Ja
Neutral: "Are you entertained?" Ja
Negative: "Are you not entertained?!" Jo
Negative tag:"You're entertained, aren't you?" Jo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/facundohst1

Why jo instead of ja

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