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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DogePamyuPamyu

FINISHED MY DUTCH TREE! Reflection Time!

So after 54 days of 1 to 4 hours of learning per night, I finished the Dutch tree! It was lots of fun and I feel really good about myself.

I have been learning German for four years and this helped my Dutch tremendously. I didn't get the two confused as I thought could happen. In comparison to German, Dutch is FAR easier. Waaaaaaaay less grammar, much closer to English en het is gewoon makkelijk te spreken. It's nice that there's only two articles, het and de, and it is absolutely glorious that there are no adjective endings other than an -e on the end of some adjectives! In my opinion, anyone who classifies themselves as proficient in German should learn Dutch.

As to my speaking/writing/reading abilities from this... I would say that I am between A2 and B1 in speaking, a bit closer to B1 in listening, and B1 in reading and writing. Duolingo teaches you the very basics of the language -- so all necessary grammar to construct complex sentences, lots of random vocab, lots of common vocab. It puts you in a position where you can confidently go to the country and become fluent in a year, or continue learning the language at your pace and make good progress.

From week one, I reconnected with two online Dutch friends with whom I talked to every day. I forced myself to write in Dutch and told them to correct my mistakes. I used Google Translate for words I didn't know, and through that I learned lots of vocab. By typing to native speakers, you will see their colloquial language. There's A LOT that Duolingo doesn't teach, for example, the common use of "gewoon" or "het maakt niet uit" -- I saw those repeatedly while talking to my Dutch friends, had them to explain it, and was able to create even more meaningful sentences.

Critique on the course itself... There's more positive than negative so I'll start with that. The Dutch team is evidently very intelligent and knowledgeable about many subjects. On top of that, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS! The puns were awesome, the sentences made me crying from laughing to hard -- I think I laughed so hard that i even got abs. The only thing I really dislikes, which was out of their control was the speaker voice. I absolutely hate the speaker voice. It still confuses me. I sometimes can't understand it, and it sounds nothing like a native Dutch speaker! It's a cross between a German and a Brit semi-accurately pronouncing Dutch words. Many words were pronounced weirdly, and some were even pronounced in American English. For the most part it was okay, and it's all we have so we have to make it work.

Tips for people starting Dutch...

  • Find friends to type and talk to, this is ESSENTIAL
  • Subscribe to a ton of Dutch YouTubers so you can see visuals of what is being spoken about and you can pick up on the accent much better
  • Listen to Dutch music for listening practice (I own every single song Eefje de Visser has ever put on iTunes, she is my bae, ily5ever)
  • LISTEN TO ALPENZUSJES! It's cute Dutch carnival music, sometimes very funny, but very catchy and fun to learn the lyrics to!

I WANT TO THANK THE ENTIRE DUTCH TEAM AND THE DUOLINGO COMMUNITY FOR INFLUENCING MY LIFE SO GREATLY. MY GOAL IS TO BECOME PROFICIENT (NOT NECESSARILY FLUENT) BY MID 2015, THEN START SWEDISH. THIS COULD VERY WELL INFLUENCE MY LATER LIFE GREATLY! I CAN'T EXPRESS MY THANKS IN WORDS!

PS: I'm going to make a video of me speaking purely Dutch and post the link within the coming weeks so people can give me feedback on my accent and stuff. Thanks so much for offering Dutch as a language on Duolingo!

December 16, 2014

17 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Simius

Congratulations! It looks like you put a ton of effort in and found some great ways to supplement Duolingo with other material.

Thank you for the feedback, by the way.

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pskully

I just finished the Dutch tree today, and I completely agree with this! (Minus having studied German, I never did that).

Gefeliciteerd Dogepamyupamyu!

Dank je wel, Team Dutch!

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/snowflake_s

Congratulations to you!

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/snowflake_s

Magnificent and congrats to you! I'm learning Dutch as well but with limited time to practice it will be a long time before i get there but i will slowly but surely finished my Dutch tree, thanks for the inspiration and for the tips and congratulations once more.

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Susande

Gefeliciteerd! En succes met het doorleren.

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lernhase

Congratulations!

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMerrie

Gefeliciteerd! :)

Ik wens je veel succes met het doorleren van Nederlands!

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sherlockian

Congrats on your progress!

December 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kai_E.

Awesome job, Dogepamyupamyu!!

Looks like your well on your way to advanced proficiency. It's definitely good to reach out to native speakers and learn how the language is used in practice. Duolingo is good for helping with grammar and vocabulary, but there is a whole lot more to be learned outside of it too, and it seems like you're managing with that pretty well!

December 18, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SJBlood

I've actually seen some videos/heard some songs in Dutch and even though the voice says them in a way, I force myself to say them as they should be spoken, but I'm not sure I'm doing it right. For example, is it true that the final n in verbs is dropped? (e.g. spreken being said as spreke)

Also, are schijven and schrijven homophonous? xD

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DogePamyuPamyu

I think for many words the n is dropped... That's what I hear whenever a Dutch person talks.

I believe schrijven is pronounced with the r?

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMerrie

Yes, 'schrijven' is pronounced with the 'r'. When I say 'schrijven' out loud, I kind of drop the 'ch'. It's still there, but not as explicit as when I say 'schijven'.

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SJBlood

Why? Do you roll the R or is it a guttural one? What about "ch"? Is it like a soft G or a hard G

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMerrie

I do that, because, well, that's just how I learned it. I guess because 'schr' is hard to pronounce, or something like that.

I can't roll my R like the Spanish/Italian, no matter how hard I try (I wish I could). So I roll it uvular, not gutteral. (Though it sometimes is a bit gutteral, I suppose) :)

Pronounciation of the 'ch' depends on where you live. It's either soft or hard. I speak with a hard G, never with a soft one.

EDIT: I pronounce 'schrijven' like this, and 'schijven' (kind of) like this.

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SJBlood

I didn't use the phonological terms of the sounds, because not everyone would know them, but thanks a lot for your answer! It was really helpful!

By the way, I can't make that uvular trill sound like that. So frustrating! x(

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMerrie

Ah, yeah, it's hard. Try to gargle, that should help! :P

Fun fact: I can make the uvular trill, but not the alveolar, but my mom and my younger brother can't make the uvular trill, and can make the alveolar trill.

December 17, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HarryStryker

Congratulations and thanks for your story and tips. Helpful and inspiring.

December 21, 2014
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