"Except for the wine"

Translation: Tranne il vino

[coolness0000]

Hello, in italian eccetto means except and tranne means except for

[thmarchi]

I'm confused on when to use tranne and eccetto. It seems random. Can someone clarify?

[GabrieleTrovato]

"Tranne" and "la stessa cosa" are approximately the same thing. ;)

[formaggiamente]

In another translation to italian, my answer was marked incorrect because it lacked "per". If you answer "tranne per" here, then that is also incorrect. In both of my cases, I was asked to translate "except for" to italian.

When should I use "per", and when should I leave it out?

[Viaggiatore]

"Tranne per" is one of the Americanisms that Duo produces occasionally. Forget it, unless you want to learn an Italian that nobody else understands.

[formaggiamente]

Thanks :)

[tamsinclarke]

I'm confused when to use tranne and when to use 'nonosante' which is the wording suggested in previous sentences.

[Italiammo]

Nonostante, in my understanding means despite; more than except.

[CharlesAdams]

"Except beer" (with no la) correct: "Except wine" (with no il) wrong. Why?

[xxChristina]

While the article should always be used in Italian, it should definitely be there if the English translation uses "the".

[Viaggiatore]

I don't think there's much difference. http://www.wordreference.com/enit/except

[Micheletto15]

Omg, i had put " Eccetto il vino" and i am wrong. I give up.

[Mithtian]

Why doesn't it accept "fuorche" as "except for"?

[Trev756863]

Well, I answered this incorrectly so I need to do it again anyway, but the response at the bottom is "Salvo per il vino". Is this new to DL ?

[Davoskan]

I think I get it: Eccetto always goes with 'per', whereas tranne does not. Right?

[Viaggiatore]

"Eccetto" doesn't require "per".

[LevioD]

But DL says it requires: "Eccetto per il vino" (Correct solution)
"Eccetto il vino" is marked wrong

[VipulKapoo]

I answered "eccetto il vino" and it was marked wrong. I remember the last sentence was "i eat fruit, except for apples" which was translated without "per"

I'm confused

[Davoskan]

But it's not wrong if you use it, is it?

[Viaggiatore]

I think it is: http://www.wordreference.com/enit/except

[reginadel]

you are right: eccetto per and tranne without per

[WouterWesselink]

Why is 'senza il vino' wrong? I don't understand

[krispykracker]

Senza=Without, Tranne=Except. These are different words.

[shaita23]

Could you say "fuori del vino"?

[Whoviansrock]

No that would mean outside the wine instead of except the wine

[ManueleFer]

no

[jess28423]

Should it be "tranne per il vino"