"Vorrei che tu venissi alle nove."
Translation:I would like you to come at nine.
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The English version "I would like that you came at nine" might make it a little apparant clear how "venissi" fits in here as the imperfect.?
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This is some weird time loop of a sentence, even in English.
"I would like (present) that you (in the future) had come (past)." F....
Perhaps the nearest thing in English, also using the subjunctive, would be "I would like it if you were to come at nine". Note that the "were to come" is getting close to "venissi". Although the English does not exactly have the past continuous (imperfect) construction about it, it is still very close, and definitely not in the future or pluperfect.
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Agreed, why not present subjunctive? Does the conditional 'vorrei' mean it has to be in the imperfect ?
If the main clause is in the past tense OR the conditional then the dependent clause is in the imperfect
If the two verbs are contemporaneous you would use the present subjunctive. You use a past subjunctive to express the venire has already happened previous to the wishing
Then, does this sentence read something like: "I would have liked it if you had come at nine"? Because as it stands, "I would like you to come at nine." sounds as though "would like" and "come" are both events in the future.
Why would I use venissi here, instead of venga? What is the difference between "Vorrei che tu venga alle nove" and "Vorrei che tu venissi alle nove"?
If you have the conditional you have to use imperfect subjunctive. You can say "Voglio che tu venga alle nove", or "Vorrei che tu venissi alle nove"
"If you have the conditional you have to use imperfect subjunctive."
Everything I needed. Thanks.
I am beginning to think that in my dash to colour all the medals on my tree gold, this tense is a tense too far for me :(
What is the real world application of this phrase? I am really not sure about this.
Is it a polite way to ask someone to arrive at nine? Or is it more that someone arrived at eight and I want to express she/he had better come at nine?
Vorrei (present conditional) che tu venga (present subjunctive) alle nove. Volevo (imperfect) che tu venissi (imprefect subjuctive) alle nove.
There is no way to adjust in English for this:
(i would want/ that / you / came / at nine)
(Present tense hope,wish / that / past tense action).
I suspect it is pretty weird in Italian as well.... Oh, DUO.... How you make us suffer.
you could use it (mi piacerebbe che tu venissi alle 9), it's a synonym. In my opinion it sounds more like a polite request and less like an imperative request.
I don't know if this means AM or PM, I had heard that Italians use a 24 hour clock but a lot of duolingo examples are ambiguous
Literally: "I would like that you arrived at nine" but English speakers don't say it like that
no but you could say " I would liked you to have arrived at nine" but it was apparently wrong.
No that is grammatically wrong. In Italian the present tense requires the imperfect subjunctive. But is not referring to the past so that is wrong. In any case, were this sentence in the past you would need to say "I would have liked you to have arrived by 9", but we arent talking past here
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I'm wondering if the conditional in Italian doesn't take a particular subjunctive ...? It's peculiar to toss that into this exercise.
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According to the hints, 'vorrei' can mean 'I would want.' So, "I would want that you would come at nine" should be accepted. I reported it 07/11/21.
A native soeaker would say around nine not at nine - it is not an appointment
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Why is the past subjunctive used here? "To come at nine" gives the impression that it should be in the present.
