"This scared me the most."
Translation:Questo mi ha fatto spaventare di più.
Why "fare" is obligatory here? ...mi ha spaventato...was not accepted. I think spaventare means by itself "to scare", doesn't it? I understand "fare" is necessary I express "to scare" with "paura" (mi ha fatto paura), but I don't see why spaventare can not stand alone.
I have the same question. Why "questo mi ha spaventato di piu" is not correct?
Fatto is to make so you need both = fatto spaventato. To make scared. Di piu is the most.
That would make sense if "spaventato" were an adjective. But it's a verb. It should be able to stand alone. It is a transitive verb, past tense, so avere should be correct.
I can see, "fa triste" "fa felice" but again, those are advective not verbs.
using fare with an infinitive is called 'fare causitivo'. it expresses the idea of someone or something forcing someone to do something. here is a page on that. http://italian-in-plain-english.blogspot.com/2010/02/fare-causativo-or-how-to-get-someone-to.html and another. http://www.nspeak.com/newbasic/grammatica/nuova_pa34.htm
Spaventato is the past particle of spaventare.
Past participles are used with great frequency as adjectives. Sometimes, it's impossible to say that a past participle is a verb instead of an adjective. The best example I can think of is è morto = "He has died/he is dead".
Or sono spaventato = "I am scared"
Sometimes it depends on the auxiliary verb: Io l'ho spaventata - I scared her.
To get technical, past particles used in transitive verbs are not adjectives (and take the auxiliary avere), but can be seen as adjectives (often "predicate adjectives" which further define or modify the subject of the sentence), in which case they take the auxiliary essere (or perhaps stare, but off the top of my head I'm not absolutely certain about stare's role in such sentences.)
That's one of the reasons that the past participle has to agree with the subject when the auxiliary is essere - it's a kind of adjective, and adjectives agree with the words they modify.
I answered the same, but then I thought about it... 'Mi ha spaventato le ragazze'... 'I have scared the girls.' As opposed to, 'Mi ha fatto spaventare'... 'I have made scared' (been made scared). Think in English, you don't 'to scare' when you 'get scared'. In Italian, it seems you make weather and emotions.
'le ragazze' is the subject of your sentence. not of Enphlengminguous' sentence which lacks agreement between subject and number or person and subject. it doesn't make sense. it seems to say 'it scared me the girls'
KenColatru: yes, but there are more ways to say 'scare' than just 'spaventare'. the verb used above is 'fare' + 'spaventare'. you can also use 'impaurire' and 'fare paura'. ('fare scappare'= 'scare off')
With the words "Mi ha spaventato le ragazze" we can have only a subject: le ragazze. The verb is wrong and this is why I tried to correct the mistake. If you say that there is a lack of agreement between subject and..., and "ragazze" is not the subject, what is the subject? Mi? Ha spaventato? There is nothing else
In your example " I have scared the girls", "Le ragazze" is the object, not the subject.
berto's sentence isn't "I have scared the girls". his sentence is "the girls scared me". and 'the girls' is the subject.
Everyone with a question about this sentence, please read all of vastasio's comments below.
"Questo mi spaventava di più" means "This scared me more (than another thing)".. It implies a comparison...
In order to say "the most" rather than "more", we need "fare". I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but that's just how the language works.
As Italian I can tell you that even the correct answer "Questo mi ha fatto spaventare di più" doesn't sound good in Italian..I'm doing the reverse tree for my English, and even for me it was difficult to find a good expression that sounds good and at the same time is correct for Duolingo... It was better "Questa è LA COSA CHE mi ha fatto spaventare di più".. meaning literally "This is THE THING THAT scared me the most" but I don't know if it would be correct for Duolingo...
Hi Vastasio, as an Italian can you explain why "questo mi spaventava di più" is wrong ? why is " ha fatto" needed in this expression and is there a subtle difference in italian between "fare paura" and "spaventare" or do they have the same meaning ? hope you can help grazie
Hi Terence.. "Questo mi spaventava di più" means "This scared me more (than another thing)".. It implies a comparison... Fare paura and Spaventare have more or less the same meaning...
Another question for you vastasio, if that's okay. I see a few other people have asked something similar, below, and I think your post above may be touching on it. When does "di piu" mean "more" and when does it mean "the most"? I thought it was only ever a comparison, but it sounds like the rest of the sentence determines which it means? Thanks!!
Hi Mary...you understand if "di più" means MORE or THE MOST by the context...when it means MORE you have always a comparison...so, if you are talking about the film Terminator, you can say "Robocop mi è piaciuto di più= I liked Robocop more (than Terminator)"...If you are talking about films in general, you will say "Robocop è QUELLO CHE che mi è piaciuto di più= Robocop is the one that i liked most"...
So, when "di più" means MOST, you will find something like Quello che, La cosa che, il film che, etc....The one that, the thing that, the film that...
I hope it's clear, but if you have other doubts, please ask:) I think it's something easier to understand with practice than with theory, and that if you read a text in italian and find "di più", you can easily recognize what is the meaning
That should mean that, since we don't have a context, "di più" here can mean "more" or "the most"?
Does Italian use "il più" to signify "the most"?
Another question. I know this is three years later, but maybe you or another native speaker can answer.
Why is "Questo mi ha spaventato di più" wrong? There is a thread above this, but none of the answers seem very conclusive.
The only answer I have for you is spaventare seems to require the aux verb fare. To scare someone is to make them scared. I couldn't tell you why it doesn't function like other verbs. Just that's the way it is. I know that's not satisfying. If I learn anything more, I'll pass it on.
I don't understand why 'questo mi ha fatto paura...' is not accepted here. Is there some linguistic subtlety I'm missing?
Ibam very curious too, can someone answer Sureed's question please. Why is paura not right in this sentence?
Fece is the 3rd person Remote Past (passato remoto) of the verb fare. Thsi tense is considered a little old fashioned these days and you will (almost) never heard it spoken. However, you'll see the tense a lot in books written about the past.
Does spaventare always require an auxillary verb ? Is one scared (passato prossimo with 'avare') or is one MADE scared (using 'fare' as the auxillary verb). Or do we just ditch it all, be brave Italians, never be scared, and forget this verb?
That would be continuous in the past, as in 'This was frightening me most", I answered 'Questo mi spaventò di più.' and it was not accepted. I think it should have been.
I thougth "più" meant "more" and "il più" meant "most". So why wouldn't it be "del più" in this sentence?
Questo mi ha spaventato di più works in Reverse Context, but seems to be wrong here. Why?
Where do you see "fece"? Anyway, I think you mean a passato remoto form of fare: http://italian.about.com/library/verb/blverb_fare.htm
The first correct solution Duo suggests is: "Questo mi fece spaventare di più".
This is why I keep struggling with the feelings section: I keep forgetting that it's 'made me more scared' and never 'scared me more.'
I think the master teanslation by Duolingo seems use power over reason; language can never be dependent on one sole solution! O, sancta simplitas!
This seems somehow archaic - literally "has made me [to] fear". Simpler would be, "Questo mi ha spaventato di più".
Also, "di più" can mean "more" as well as "the most", can't it?
passato prossimo should cover this situation. It's an indefinite past action. "Questo mi spaventavo piu"
mi questa ha spaventata la più...Why is this wrong? Thank you in advance
I think "mi" has to go after the subject "questa" and before the auxiliary "ha."
the most/ worst in Italian is : il peggiore, pessimo di piu' means : more.... not sure what should be the best solution here,
I wonder...if we use "di piu" to mean "the most" here, what would we use to mean "more"?? I also thought we would be using "di piu".
Perhaps simply because many people haven't gotten to passato remoto yet. One thing I've noticed in DL is that things make sense in review sessions that didn't make sense the 1st or 2nd time through. For example, the appearance of phrases using the Imperative mood in modules which are presented prior to the module on Imperatives. You get through Imperatives, and then have a strengthening session which returns to the module where you first heard complaints about Imperatives being presented too early, not having been studied yet. So, maybe this is simply an observance of the fact that many people just haven't gotten to passato remoto yet. But I really don't know it for a fact.