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And the next course is...

Apparently Norwegian.

Now my hopes of Filipino are shattered.

Thoughts?

January 12, 2015

129 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/linguafiqari

We may as well accept that fact that it could be a while before our languages get on here... :(


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

What language do u want Adam?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/linguafiqari

I'm surprised you don't know yet!

<h1>አማርኛ! - Amharic!</h1>

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

So do I! It's a beautiful language and we need an African language seriously! It's related to Arabic and Hebrew, being a Semitic language. Are u Amhara?

Sorry I didn't know like its the same as not knowing that @StrapsOption wants Maltese, sorry.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/linguafiqari

It's alright, I was just surprised :) If you want to learn it, I've started making a site for learning Amharic:

http://adamyoung1997.wix.com/learnamharic

I'm not Amhara, I'm from Hungary :)

የአማርኛ ቋንቋን በዱዎሊንጎ ላይ እፈልጋለሁ


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I'll check it out!

Edit: it's an awesome website. Wow!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Matthew_Phelps

What an awesome site :)

Check it out everyone!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SkillsInPills

Just because it's not the second language coming out for English speakers doesn't mean it won't come out at all this year :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StrapsOption

Don't worry, not giving up!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Go Straps! Maltese will be here by the end of the year! Waiting


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heimaey

I'd love to learn Maltese. I've heard it's heavy in Sicilian words (50%+) and grammatically more Arabic. It's one of the more unique languages in the world.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StrapsOption

Unique is right! The Sicilian you heard about is actually a dialect of Arabic of which Maltese is the only living descendant - it's called Siculo-Arabic. As a result, it's very Arabic and very (though not quite as very) Italian, and then there's some English from the British occupation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Poor @StrapsOption. I share your pain. I truly do


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StrapsOption

Huwa imdejjaq ħafna.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FKrasniqi

Good spy work! And yay for Norwegian!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JaneEmily

OH MY GOD NORWEGIAN?!! Yes, I can finally learn the language of my distant heritage! Eeeep! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I thought you were English


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JaneEmily

I am.. I'm born in England. But in my family history, my family on my mother's side originate from Norway (we're talking hundreds of years here) hence distant heritage :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Oh... So you are distantly part Norwegian. I get it


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JaneEmily

Haha yes :) it's easy to get confused though so don't worry ^_^


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Oh... Where you live in Cornwall are there bilingual signs?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fr224

And now you what it feels like to be an American.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JaneEmily

I don't get what you mean but I guess that's a joke? :P

I have several different heritages through my parents bloodlines but yeah. I have nothing against Americans though ^_^ everyone is cool with me :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fr224

Since Americans are a mishmash of different ethnicities, when people ask for our ethnicity, we say someplace, usually where we have never been or have only a few times, have no idea how to speak the language, and our closest family connection to there is 100-200 years away.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UNILABIANO

I wonder how many centuries will pass before people just think of themselves as "American" without reference to the home of their distant ancestors. I also wonder how long it took for that to become the norm in other countries.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rhythmixed

I was hoping for Arabic or Hebrew, but Norwegian seems like fun!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I too hoped for Arabic or Hebrew but oh well...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Priya7

I wonder if Deliciae signed up to contribute...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

Wonder no more! I hope I finally get to give something back. ^^

I'm still not sure whether I remembered to tick off the box for moderating though, the possibility that I forgot is haunting my dreams.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jayway223

You should be accepted. Your English is wonderful! I sometimes have to remind myself that you're from Norway. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

You flatter me, Jay. Thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jayway223

It is only the truth. ^^


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ChristianofPeace

I wouldn't have known you're Norwegian if he hadn't said something. So congrats on your amazing English skills.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

Thank you! I swear you're all just trying to make me blush.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jayway223

Mission accomplished. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

You can probably change it afterwards.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/oskalingo

Hijacking this thread to recommend two very beautifully written Norwegian novels.

Is-slottet (The Ice Palace) and Fuglane (The Birds), both by Tarjei Vesaas.

They are written in nynorsk, which was unusual at the time they were published. Both are available in good English translations.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Subalzero

I already applied for Filipino, hope it will.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/knittingirl

It would make sense since we have at least one highly dedicated contributor :D I was hoping for Latin though :(


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

Aww, I'd love Latin as well! I've forgotten so much of what I've already learned, but at the same time it's helping me immensely with learning other languages.

Who knows though... the year is still young! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RikSha

First Norwegian, then Latin :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thidrekr

Quite happy to hear that. Working on Danish now, Swedish next and Norwegian will be great to compare and contrast. Here's hoping that Icelandic comes someday, although I know the language poses a lot more challenges than the other, more conventional Scandinavian languages.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MauriceReeves

With a smattering of Faroese too, right?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thidrekr

Hah...that's a very Icelandic word there!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RikSha

Really? Could you please elaborate on that?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/seahamba

YAY! I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO LEARN NORWEGIAN!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Skoldpaddor

Let's not jump to conclusions too quickly, here. Maybe he saw that Epic Awe is taking Italian. It could be an Italic language. Or maybe it's just a language that a lot of Norwegians want to learn. Or...eh, who am I kidding. Probably Norwegian.

But if it isn't, I predicted that. Keep me in mind, folk.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iskhjrathaiva

Well, Bokmål or Nynorsk? There seems to be some differences between them...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

Taking a shot in the dark here: Bokmål.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

Bokmål would be the likely choice, but we'll see. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KansasBurri

I'd assume Bokmål since its the most commonly spoken variant.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anachron

It's the most commonly written variant.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fveldig
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Why was this downvoted? Norwegian Bokmål is strictly a written language. Not a single Norwegian speaks "Bokmål".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/spanishzacd

Quick explain the difference between Bokmal and Nynorsk. I'm only familiar with romance languages and Western Germanics.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BLT

I'm not Norwegian and don't speak it, but I always understood that there is no official spoken standard for Norwegian at all; all dialects are considered "correct." However, for the purpose of written communication, there are two major standards. Bokmål is the more commonly used, and is the closest to the dialects of Oslo and the surrounding region. Nynorsk is preferred in the more westernish regions, where the dialects are closer to it. All government and official stuff is available in both, and legally a certain amount of things have to be printed in Nynorsk.

A Duo course in Norwegian would most likely use Bokmål with pronunciation in the Oslo dialect, as the two correspond very well and are the most common of their respective forms.

I think.

Don't quote me on this.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anachron

@BLT: As a Norwegian, I approve of everything you said.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heimaey

Scandinavia is pretty diverse in terms of dialect - this map gives a good idea:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/305/8/a/the_scandinavian_pronouniby_vatterholm-d6mfu1v.png


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Azure_Waters

Ohh!! How exciting (: this is great news!! ^_^


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/buunny

I love it. I hope it comes out soon!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UNILABIANO

I'm half Filipino, but I'd rather learn Norwegian because I admire the works of Hamsun and Ibsen.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heimaey

Now all we need is Icelandic and all the IE Scandinavian languages will be represented. OK there's still Faroese so we should just do that too please - and Finnish!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MauriceReeves

And if we get Finnish then Estonian too. They're from the same family.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fveldig
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I'm so excite !


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jayway223

Don't jinx it! :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnIsAPandah

Oh no... Norwegian and Vietnamese are coming!! :D Just... um... don't go into Beta after I finish my French tree, because that would be a disaster >.< You see, after I finish French, I do the Reverse tree and Swedish. And if Norwegian and Viet come after I finished my French tree, then it would be Reverse+ Swedish+ Norwegian+ Viet. >.<


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jayway223

I don't have an order. I go with what interest me most. I would suggest that you do the Vietnamese course after French because that language seems more personal to you. And your parents speak it! You'll be fluent in no time, Lucky Ann. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnIsAPandah

I actually have an order:

  1. French

  2. Reverse + Viet

  3. After I finish 2, Swedish

  4. Norwegian :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SkillsInPills

Cool! I like Norwegian


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/spanishzacd

My favorite part of hearing people of other Germanic languages speak English because they always say "it is logic" instead of "logical" lol.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/spanishzacd

Just wondering why Latin hasn't been taught on Duolingo yet. I know it's a "dead" language but it is still very useful in several fields.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

What type of Latin? Vulgar Latin?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thidrekr

To do it thoroughly, you'd probably need two courses: "Classical Latin" and "Medieval Latin." However, there's also "Living Latin," which aims to make Latin suitable for contemporary use and this might be the most appropriate form for Duolingo.

"Vulgar Latin" would be very difficult to teach, if only because it's sparsely attested and the line between it and "proto-Romance" languages can be difficult to ascertain. This form is probably best left to serious Latin scholars.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Ok so it isn't Proto Romance?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thidrekr

It's an academic distinction mostly, describing the very gradual transition from Vulgar Latin to a distinct Romance language. Where does, say, "Vulgar Latin" end and "Old French" begin? Those kinds of questions get complicated.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Ok. Yes it is complicated


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lennonmacca

Honestly I hope not... I really want Norwegian to be here at some point, but come on? We just had Danish AND Swedish. I mean, maybe pick something from another language group this time? It seems weird and unfair if Norwegian comes now. Like aren't there ANY other languages out there to choose from apart from these tiny Scandinavian ones?!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

I think there are a lot of things that play into it, like the availability of a decent TTS voice, the pool of bilingual moderators to choose from, popular demand, and whether the languages use another writing system or have any other quirks that would be challenging to implement.

I'm sure there are many more languages Duo would like to release if they had the resources and the framework for them, and I personally would love to see more African and Asian ones, but Norwegian is a quite popular choice, as well as an easy language to learn and implement.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I am thinking of applying for an Igbo for English speakers course


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae

I hope you do, and that it's accepted! If you know someone else who might be able to contribute, you should ask them if they'd like to apply as well - to make sure there are at least two people available to work on the course. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Sure I will find some


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EveAdelle

Vietnamese is also coming.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lennonmacca

Yeah I know, but that doesn't take away the fact that Scandinavian languages would be kind of overrepresented here. Especially when you think about how small they are. It's just weird. I do want like every language to be on here, but it would be much more refreshing to see something else than Norwegian this time, that's all I'm saying.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

There are a lot of immigrants coming to Norway, alot of them can't speak the language and are unable to get a job and so on. If they have access to a course like this, it would be so much easier for them and for us.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dottedmag

Refugees and family members are provided with government-paid language courses. All the others are coming with a job offer in a pocket already, right?

Anyway, using Duolingo is much more pleasurable than sitting in a dull classroom, I really wish it had been available several years ago, would save a lot of time.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

I don't know about the government courses. They seem ineffective IMO. There are a few beggars in my city. It is a pity to see them there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

I mean, on the plus side they're all out of the way now and they'll turn to other language groups. I think in part it's because there was already a contingent of people who wanted Scandinavian languages, and then once they had one it started drawing more and more people who wanted the other ones so the demand got higher.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thidrekr

They're not completely out of the way; there's always Icelandic, which I'd be absolutely thrilled for them to offer here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Azure_Waters

Yes! I agree (: Icelandic is wonderful ^_^


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SkillsInPills

And don't forget Faroese.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ForgedbyHistoria

There are a handful of different languages coming here like Turkish, Ukrainian, Russian, and Hungarian. Those will put a balance to the Romance and Scandinavian languages. And by the time those courses are released, and Norwegian is well on its way, there will be even more languages in development, such as Vietnamese.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

I mean, I don't mind, I was just trying to make the other poster feel better. The only other language I really want that's not yet in the incubator is Japanese, and I know that'll come when Duo is ready for it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heimaey

I get it but also keep in mind that Scandianvia has one of the highest if not the the highest internet usage per capita - and they all speak remarkably good English. As such, it's probably easier for DuoLingo to find people to mod these courses - get the word out to your bilingual friends in other languages to contribute!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I get what u mean. Too much Scandinavian languages in a short amount of time


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MauriceReeves

Well, we have a Turkic language and a Uralic language coming in, and Russian and Ukranian, plus a conlang (Esperanto), and Vietnamese all in the Incubator plus Romanian and Polish, so the next set to come in before Norwegian, are not Scandinavian.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

Yes. It is also smart to just round up the Scandinavian langauges in one go, since they're all so similar.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Ja, I think that Vietnamese was a reverse course. Apparently


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StrapsOption

Yes, the reverse course is out.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MauriceReeves

I hear you (and I'm not one of the downvoters, shame on them) but there are other languages coming: Turkish, Hungarian, Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Polish, Vietnamese, and Esperanto. Other than Russian and Ukrainian, they all come from different language families.

In addition, demand has been very high for Norwegian, and there is a good number of volunteer moderators waiting, and there are quality TTS services for Norwegian.

I know some people want Japanese, Mandarin, and Cantonese, and Japanese is even the language that Luis would most like to see in Duo right now (he said that in his last AMA on reddit), so I'm sure it will happen.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Thanx for not being one of those down voters! I actually up voted your comments :)

You have a very valid point. I myself was in a rant mood then :) though the Scandinavian languages are doing heaps well now, maybe add Maltese, Catalan, Swahili, Amharic, Tagalog or a language that isn't Indo European. That was my main point.

Good night. Ka chi foo. Nos da.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MauriceReeves

I would love Swahili! It's such a beautiful language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JayJackJohnson

Aww, I was hoping for Hebrew.

It has way more speakers than Norwegian.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nblaisdell

I would have preferred Hebrew too... oh well.. back to waiting..


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JayJackJohnson

Yep...

I got a ton of dislike on my post lol


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I know funny. I mean no offense but Hebrew was higher in demand


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JayJackJohnson

Yes, I agree.

I have no idea why our thoughts are so offensive to these people


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StrapsOption

No reason for downvoting there..


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

Yes Straps no reason at all


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MusingThoughts

I know. Like seriously people down vote for no reason these days


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/linguafiqari

How will this course even work? No one speaks Bokmal do they? I thought it was just a written language...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/_Wanderlust

I'm having a great time with Danish but Norwegian was what I was looking for specifically, so I'm quite happy!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/caitie_did

Well, that's cool, but I was hoping for Hindi. On the other hand DuoLingo not getting Hindi means I won't get distracted from Italian so that's good.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UNILABIANO

You can do the English for Hindi speakers course and pick up a bit that way, I think.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RikSha

Just can't wait to catch the next Scandinavian owl! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shirel.tai

It kinda leaves me in a problem whether to learn this or finnish after I finish learning dutch. The problems of a multilingual :'(


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heimaey

Good luck with Finnish ( to us all ). That language horrifies me.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shirel.tai

Indeed, it is quite intimidating at the beginning, plus the fact that it is SO different from my native language, but i do not intend to give up quickly.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linaria1

This is brilliant! I have lots of foreign friends here in Norway who are desperate for something like this! Hope I get to contribute :D

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