DuoCheck: See how many XP until the next level
Note: This handy little trick comes from Dmitriy_K in the Russian forums. He posted this a few weeks ago and I thought it was so helpful, I just had to share it. All credit goes to Dmitriy_K or whoever originally made this
Ever since Duolingo removed the XP bar, many users have tried to come up with an easy and effective way to display how many XP are left until the next level, and I believe this is by far the easiest and most effective method to date.
It's called DuoCheck. All you have to do is click the link and it will display what level you are on in each language and how many XP remain until you reach the next level. Simple as that!
Of course you could use a user script or try to figure it out by viewing your total XP on the app, but I think this is so much easier.
Hopefully this little tip helps you out until the XP bar returns in its new form. And again, all credit goes to Dmitriy_K...I am merely the messenger!
Do you know if DuoCheck is calibrated to allow for levels beyond 25? I received this in my inbox, which makes me think that someday people will have the option to get to level 26. But, the DuoCheck just tells me that I need to get - such and such number to get to the next level (aka back to level 25, which is my current level.)
The DuoCheck link doesn't have any special insight into the staff's potential addition of more levels, although the way it is written, it would work perfectly if more levels were ever added in the future.
Thanks. That was what I wanted to know. I was hoping there was some way of moving faster without doing more practices. I still make mistakes on the easiest of sentences, but I lived in Argentina for a while, and while I never had to speak much Spanish there I did get a lot of the vocabulary down. So the slow introduction of new nouns is a little boring.
That is a very handy link, but I do want to copy a post I made in a related thread a while back:
A little security warning: the method that link uses takes advantage of a security vulnerability called Cross-site scripting
For this reason, I proposed in my original post to audit my little script for everyone. I know how to do bad, but a good reputation is more important to me. (Sorry for my bad english)
I see the line in your original post (Google Translate actually works surprisingly well for Russian, who knew?), but I wanted to post it here too in case anybody doesn't take the time to translate. Thanks for including that part. Those types of links can be quite dangerous coming from a source that doesn't care so much about their reputation.
With respect to your English, I would say "I proposed in my original post that everyone examine my little script" or "...in my original post for everyone to examine my...." instead.
Learning on duolingo is self-paced. If you want to speed up, just increase the number of lessons you take each day. I'd recommend against rushing it though. If you don't build a solid foundation with the earlier lessons then the later ones will be harder to complete.
Incidentally XP and levels aren't directly linked to progress through the tree. I've been practicing a lot recently to improve my understanding of already "completed" skills before moving on. This is giving me a lot of XP, even though my progress through the tree has slowed down somewhat.
Like so many other people, I can't see my stats from my own page, but one of my friends has been providing me updates. At first I was excited, but the number of XP that's displayed beside "Next Level" continues to INCREASE, so I assumed it was the number of XP that I'd earned TOWARD my next level. From what's been written here, that doesn't seem to be correct. As of this moment, that number is 10157. Yesterday, it was less than that. Thoughts?
I have to say I find both the metrics and their conclusions highly questionable.
In this particular case I would think that the existence of such tools as DuoCheck would invalidate the results of any A-B testing for this type of thing anyway. I regularly use a script to check my progress to the next level. Giving me a way to do this within the context of Duolingo itself can surely only increase my engagement with the site...
Edit to reply:
I myself have only been using Duolingo for 2 months, but from what I read on the forums, this isn't the first time they have made a change which hasn't necessarily been received as a positive one... I get the impression that many are engaging and staying engaged despite these changes rather than because of them, and that sooner or later if they keep basing decisions on what may well be faulty premises then they are going to end up with something unworkable and the whole thing will collapse....
Well I wouldn't expect such a thing to be telegraphed, sudden or even initially noticeable.. I expect (if it happened) it would be a long slow decline as people lost motivation and dropped out, or moved on to other tools. over time the percentage of people finishing trees would fall.. the turnover rate would increase... eventually the popularity would wane and though there might be a few hangers on for a long time to come, eventually it would become too unprofitable to continue being viable. I've seen communities slowly fall apart in the past, once the thing that holds them together is gone. Duolingo has a good thing going for the moment, but if they keep making changes which result in decreased motivation on the part of the users (and I'm not just talking about the XP bars here) they may find themselves scrambling to get people interested again, and there probably wouldn't even be a clear indication of what changes were the critical ones that caused it all to go wrong.
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you said the metrics show that "including the XP information on the profile was actually detrimental." How can this be? I do not see how knowing that information would slow a person's progress. It's like going on a road trip and not knowing how many miles you've driven or how many miles until the destination. For me, I find it enjoyable to monitor my progress by xp and level. It's fun to watch the numbers progress. It's an added feature of the gamification experience. Otherwise, why even have Levels at all?
The amount of time it takes for a test to run depends on the number of people participating and the strength of the results. In the case of the reduced XP test, the sample size was huge, and according to Luis, the results were clear quickly. Most tests last at least a month though.
For this test with the XP information on profile pages, the sample size should be similar, but according to a post by one of the staff (kristine maybe, I can't locate it anymore), the initial findings were indicated that including the XP information on the profile was actually detrimental to whatever metrics they were considering. At that time, she said that they'd continue the test to get a larger sample before making a final decision. Based on the lack of movement on that front, I think it's safe to assume that the results held negative. It'll be interesting to see what new idea the team comes up with for showing that info.
Edit to reply (we're at the post limit):
I wasn't making a statement about the validity of the team's conclusions, just relaying what they've told us about the testing in the past.
Generally, I agree with you that some features seem obvious enough to implement even with contradictory test results (especially this one with respect to the progress information). It's important to remember though, that we're not privy to the whole picture. Specifically, we don't know what metrics Duolingo is looking at when they talk about "user engagement", nor what their business goals are (maybe new users are more important than existing ones?). Even worse, the users on the forums are only a small subset of Duolingo's user base (something like 70% of all users are app-only, and only a fraction of the remaining 30% visit the forums). Though the positive feedback for DuoCheck in the forums seems like a tidal wave of support, the hundreds of users that have found it useful pale in comparison to millions of data pieces from the users in the related A/B test. Duolingo historically has put their faith in the numbers over opinions from the forum users, and taking a step back to look at the big picture, I don't necessarily fault them for it. After all, the system has clearly worked well to get them this far :)
That's a fair perspective from someone that hasn't been around long. A couple of the recent changes (Coach, XP progress) have generated a bunch of negative feedback. As with any changes you make to software, the well-received ones here rarely generate much discussion outside of "well it's about time" comments. Recently, the team has been running almost 100 concurrent A/B tests. If you've only heard complaints about a handful in 2+ months, that's a pretty good result, and definitely not a sign of some sort of slip into a site-wide collapse :)
Edit 3 (to DeanG6):
It's a funny result, isn't it? I've got a rather analytical/engineering mind, and it's always difficult for me to see how "more features" could possibly be a bad thing. After all, the people that don't want to use the feature can always just ignore it, right? A/B tests have a way of challenging our preconceived notions, specifically the one that shouts "yes, information! gimme gimme gimme", haha.
I don't do marketing/advertising by trade, but I have done some minimal A/B testing myself in the past for my company. I'll give you an example from there, since I don't know the specifics about Duolingo's results. -- I noticed that one of our competitors was not displaying the price of their product on their landing pages (in fact, they weren't displaying it anywhere, you had to request a quote). In my mind, this was ridiculous. If somebody's interested in purchasing, they're obviously going to ask about the price, so why not just save everybody the trouble and provide it "up front". So, I did a test on our site that hid the pricing information and the results were rather inescapable. We had a 10% increase in one of our main indicators for sales when we hid the price and made no other change. The result really surprised me, but hey, the numbers don't lie (even when the change seems to make things more difficult for the user).
With respect to Duolingo's test, I suspect that something similar is going on. Perhaps when they show the progress indicator in plain sight users that are far from leveling up actually get demotivated? Perhaps the "ends" of getting more activity from most users justify the "means" of taking some enjoyment from users that like tracking their progress in a detailed way? Maybe the "power users" that like to track their own activity are on the whole sufficiently self-motivated enough to keep up their activity in spite of any changes to the UI they dislike? There's several possible reasons for the test to have turned out that way. We just have to trust that the team is doing what's best for the company, even when the results seem unintuitive.
He didn't for me. My coach is active, AND I see current XP with number needed to next level. This is referring to Spanish, Italian, Portuguese courses (from English). My English course (from Spanish) does not show XP.
EDIT (reply to BaconChomper) -- my xp and xp to next level are visible only on my profile, not my homepage. And apparently if you can see it on your own profile then you can see it on other people's profiles too.
The link doesn't work but the script itself still does. If you copy the following text and set it as the address of a new bookmark you can use the bookmark to activate the script. (Note: This isn't actually the DuoCheck script originally posted in this thread, but a similar script originally posted here.
Yes, I just checked this link again myself, and you're right, it doesn't seem to work anymore. I'm not the original creator of this, so I can't say for sure why that is, but at any rate, it isn't really necessary anymore since Duolingo added the XP needed to reach the next level to the users' profiles (as in this image) a while after I posted this.