Why is Irish so hard?
Ok, this is day 2 of Irish on Duolingo and I find Irish to be the hardest language yet. It just doesn't have the same types of grammar as Germanic or romance languages. Maybe its just me but there doesn't seem to be any consistency in word order or endings....Any help?
Word order is VSO (Verb Subject Object).
I'll try to give a very basic overview of the present tense.
PRESENT TENSE - VERBS WITH ONE SYLLABLE, eg. glan (to clean), cuir (to put)
A, O, U = -aim, -ann, -aimid I, E = -im, -eann, -imid
Glanaim - I clean
Glanann tú/sé/sí - You/He/She clean(s)
Glanaimid/Glanann muid - We clean
Glanann sibh/siad - You/They clean
Ní ghlanaim - I do not clean
An nglanann tú? - Do you clean?
Cuirim - I put
Cuireann tú/sé/sí - You/He/She put(s)
Cuirimid/Cuireann muid - We put
Cuireann sibh/siad - You/They put
Ní chuirim - I do not put
An gcuireann tú? - Do you put?
PRESENT TENSE - VERBS WITH TWO SYLLABLES, eg. críochnaigh (to finish), éirigh (to get up)
A, O, U = -aím, -aíonn, -aímid I, E = -ím, -íonn, -ímid
Críochnaím - I finish
Críochnaíonn tú/sé/sí - You/He/She finish(es)
Críochnaímid/Críochnaíonn muid - We finish
Críochnaíonn sibh/siad - You/They finish
Ní chríochnaím - I do not finish
An gcríochnaíonn tú? - Do you finish?
Éirím - I get up
Éiríonn tú/sé/sí - You/He/She get(s) up
Éirímid/Éiríonn muid - We get up
Éiríonn sibh/siad - You/They get up
Ní éirím - I do not get up
An éiríonn tú? - Do you get up?
Ní + séimhiú (h).
Ní adds the letter h to all verbs except those starting with vowels or the letters st, l, n, r, sm, sp, sc. These can be remembered with this mnemonic: ST eLeaNoR SMiles in SPanish SChool.
An + urú (Mb, Gc, Nd, Dt, Ng, Bp, BHf)
An eclipses the letters b, c, d, t, g, p, and f. All that means is that you put another letter in front of it. You can remember which letters take which eclipses with this mnemonic:
Before He Finishes.
I hope this helps to clear a few things up. I completely understand your frustration. Irish can be an incredibly difficult language to learn from scratch. Nevertheless, I hope that you continue to learn it because it is a beautiful language that really needs more speakers!
Thank you so much! I agree, it is a beautiful language. I have alot of Irish ancestry and would like to learn the language of my ancestors. Would you know where I could find a chart for these verb endings?
No problem at all. I'm very glad to be able to help you!
I really admire that you're learning Irish, even though it's very difficult. I'm sure that your ancestors would be delighted with you!
This post has been inspired by the Lingot Gaeilge Gods. Go raibh maith agat.
Old posts filled with gold should never die! Lovely, succinct statement of some useful rules. I truly believe more of this put in simple terms would be super helpful for people everywhere learning Irish.
Remember, it's only your second day! :) Irish was hard for me at first too. There just aren't nearly as many shortcuts to take in terms of familiar cognates and grammar. But keep moving forward in the tree and do frequent reviews, and you will find that before long the older stuff starts becoming easier. I found that at first I had to practice older stuff a lot more frequently than Duo's algorithms were telling me to. Also, there are so many helpful links in the forums here for grammar and pronunciation help. At first, the explanations were kind of overwhelming, but I bookmarked things and after studying Irish for a month or two I went back and found the explanations to be very helpful. Good luck!
The reason it's so difficult is that it's not what you're used to. It'll get more familiar with time and become easier to understand, I'm certain of it. Just keep at it!
Agreed - nothing inherently difficult about it that you couldn't also see in other languages you're unfamiliar with.
Irish is kicking a lot of folks' behinds, so you're not alone at all. I've had to go over the basics over and over just to learn them. There's a reason I'm only on level 5. :/
Yeah, Irish is proving to be the most difficult language I've ever attempted...I think the biggest problem for me is actually the differences in pronunciation/spelling--since I can't get a handle on how a word is pronounced, I have trouble remembering what a word means, which makes recognizing the grammar difficult...
I have the same problem. Get book one of Buntus Cainte. The book has sixty lessons and two cds, and each lesson has a dialogue at full conversational speed. It helps.
Yea I’m on about day two as well and the structure isn’t hard it’s pronouncing things that is so difficult. The rules for what is silent and what isn’t is so different. Like half of the letters in lots of words aren’t said or are very subtle
Irish is a Celtic language. All of the other languages that you're learning on here are either Germanic or Romance languages, which tend to be grammatically similar to English and share many cognates with it.
It's definitely tough. Initial mutations, genitive case, all the different ways of using numbers... yikes. I'm pretty determined to get it though! A big thing that helps: immerse yourself as much as you can. Watch Irish TV (TG4 is great), YouTube channels, listen to Irish music, get some e-books that are completely as Gaeilge, join Gaeilge-only forums, etc. I joined a Gaeilge-only FB group and I just read what they post (like a total creeper, lol)... most of which I don't understand, but as time goes on, I'm finding I understand more and more. There's a Duolingo Irish study group on FB as well.
I started watching Pocoyo on YouTube from TG4. It is a show for preschoolers but totally cute and really beginner level.
It gets easier. Some things are difficult to grasp, but you just have to practice.
I will tell you what I told someone else here on Duolingo...
I think the main thing most people don't realize is that the Irish & English language are completely different. Sure they have some similarities when it comes to vocabulary, but that would be expected due to the geographical proximity of the speakers.
English is a Germanic lanaguge & it is related to languages like German, Dutch, Danish, and Swedish for example.
But Irish is a Celtic language & it is related to languages like Welsh, Cornish, Breton & Manx for instance.
It is your second day! You just need more practice (: ! Don't be discouraged! It just takes some time & perseverance! I wish you the best of luck! (:
Irish and English are both members of the Indo-European language family so they aren't "completely different". They're definitely right up there though. o.0
I suspect what also throws people is they are likely comparing English to the Germanic or Romance languages, both of which it shares quite a lot with. I it were compared to, say, a Slavic or Indian language how similar is that to the English-Irish comparison? I don't know the languages to be able to answer that. :P
Indo-European is a massive family of languages. It also includes Hindi, Greek and Latin.
Yes, Irish and Welsh are both Celtic languages. But as far as I can see they are completely different. Welsh is much more related to Germanic, Romance and even Slavic languages in grammar and structure, even in vocabulary; but Irish has nothing do to do with any Germanic, Romance or Slavic languages.
I'm studying Welsh and Irish (both Celtic languages) and I can say that they are not even a little bit related. Maybe Irish could be more similar to Cornish, or Breton or Manx.
Although Irish is an Indo-European language (like English, French, Russian and Hindi), it's quite different from the Romance or Germanic languages that are common on Duolingo. :)
It is definitely harder in my opinion. Lots of practice and consistently...like every day. And then you'll start to see some phrases and spellings and structures will start to become easier.
I am now starting to get the hang of the have the 'Is maith liom ' or 'I like ' sentences and some other basics. The basic questions are still giving me a headache, but with consistent practice I know I'll get there.