https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Irish for English speakers has graduated from Beta!

After 21 weeks in beta, Irish for English speakers has graduated and is now in Phase 3! This means that this is the first Incubator created course for English speakers to reach this milestone! But wait! The journey is just beginning!

A big thanks from everyone at Team Irish: alexinIreland, laura.doherty, dubhais, Lancet and odoinn (as well as our wonderful mentors mukkapazza, Ker and vivisaurus)

Comhghairdeas!

January 16, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luis

HIGH FIVE GUYS!

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Thanks, Luis! high fives back

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lavinae

This isn't over yet.

ಠ_ಠ

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Indeed it isn't, my dear Lavinae....in fact...this is just the beginning

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January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Oesterreich7

Lavinae, I told Alex in the Irish chat (or was it the Dutch chat?) that the next challenge could be a Dutch/Irish for Germans ;). Could make for a good tie breaker. ;)

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lernhase

That would be amazing!

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Sore loser. Just accept defeat and take a bow :).

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vivisaurus

Congratulations for creating such a wonderful course and thank you so much for sharing it with your fellow duolinguists! =]

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Indeed, hopefully given your expertise in Swedish and Portuguese, we may soon see Swedish for Portuguese speakers in the incubator . :)

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

throws a bouquet! ...eats bouquet?. Oops

Irish graduates from beta bunny

Congratulations Alex, dubhais, Lancet, odoinn, and laura!!!! :D

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Thanks, Usagi! What a wonderful Bunny!

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ReidHT

Congrats! That's a short time span compared to some other courses... that's so awesome!

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Synesthete24

Ok, both bunnies are adorable. But that is ADORABLE!!!!!

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ReidHT

Thank you! I had to find the perfect cute animal to congratulate them with. :)

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CharmingTiger

Woohoo! I'm not even learning Irish right now, and I'm really happy about this! You guys have obviously created a well-thought-out tree. I only have an inkling of what goes into creating an entire language course, and I want to say... I have mad respect for you guys!

-Congrats Team Irish-

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Go raibh míle maith agat :D

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Oesterreich7

Congratulations Team Irish. :) It seems like you and the Dutch course are tied in the Itch competition. I wonder what the tie breaker will be. :D

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Very good question, Ö! Only time will tell...

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/knittingirl

Congratulations Alex and the rest of team Irish! You beat Dutch this time :)

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Go raibh míle maith agat! [Insert evil laugh here]

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hohenems

Congrats Alex et al.!

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Thanks, Herr Hohenems :D

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Teenage_Polyglot

Congrats! Whats next for Team Irish?

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Azure_Waters

This is so exciting!! I am almost done with my Irish tree and I must say, I have had an absolute joy learning Irish!! (:

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rebecca_R1

Way to go, Team Irish! You guys rock! :D

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jitengore

Congratulations, Alex and team. Awesome achievement!

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Congrats!

Its a bit strange though, didn't you still need to tackle the audio problem?

Anyway, so now you can start making the reverse tree. I'm sure with all the experience you've accumulated it should be a cinch to get it to beta (and also expand the existing tree), probably less time than the original course. I also read about the bonus skills that could be added. Any hints as to what they may be?

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

Well, we are this close to getting the new voice and Duolingo didn't see that as something that should stop us from graduating.

We have some ideas for Bonus skills that we mentioned...examples include: a skill for each of the 3 major dialects, Irish history, Irish mythology, Irish proverbs, among many others.

Re: Reverse course...we haven't actually talked about doing a reverse course. While it could be useful for users who want to practice that way, it doesn't really have any practical use since pretty much every Irish speaker also speaks English.

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/oppikoppi

A reverse course does seem like a lot of effort for nothing in my opinion as well.

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulCulloty

And once the team have added all the features for the English course, plenty of French, German and Spanish seem to take an interest in the language, so lots of potential for other courses in future years!

January 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Well, more is tends to be better than less in most cases. I presume that most Dutch speakers are also fluent in English, that didn't stop the course from incubating. Also, the future is uncertain so at some point in the future maybe Ireland will eventually possess many L1 speakers who don't speak English.

I hope the new speaker is certainly better than the last, so no more issues arise. Also on that front, are there any new tools in the incubator to aid future courses when dealing with audio related problems, like stats on failure rates with some audio lessons or the possibility of crowdsourced audio?

Anyway, according to our unofficial incubator stats, your team took 305 days to graduate from beta. Quite an accomplishment for an endangered language.

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

I presume that most Dutch speakers are also fluent in English

I would still say that the English for Dutch speakers course is more useful than an English for Irish speakers course ever would be (well, just looking at todays landscape)

I hope the new speaker is certainly better than the last, so no more issues arise

Oh, it will be

are there any new tools in the incubator to aid future courses when dealing with audio related problems

Not currently. Contributors don't really deal with audio. That's the Duo Team's side of things

according to our unofficial incubator stats, your team took 305 days to graduate from beta

For anyone interested, that breaks down to 161 days in Phase 1 and 144 days in Phase 2

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Not currently. Contributors don't really deal with audio. That's the Duo Team's side of things

That's surprising given that Duolingo can't ever hope to speak all languages, and many languages lack good TTS. Hopefully this is high priority on the todo list.

P.S. To commemorate this occasion I've just added a trivia item based on your course to the Duowiki trivia/quiz.

Enjoy.

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexinIreland

>That's surprising given that Duolingo can't ever hope to speak all languages, and many languages lack good TTS. Hopefully this is high priority on the todo list.

What I meant is that we report any issues to them and they solve the issue...all we can do is disable audio for a particular sentence.

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

I missed 3 questions..... Was I just in denial that it's taken a very, very long for the first one to graduate from beta?

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

@usagi:

Not really, I intentionally added a tricky question.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

@ Dessamator :PPPPPPPPP

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anthgrl

This is great news! Congratulations Team Irish, and thanks to all of you for the hard work you put into this course. I can't wait to (re)start the tree! :-D

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NaRudaiDana

Comhghairdeas a foireann na hEireann

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/juliecaesar

Congratulations, this is amazing! That you for all your hard work!

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wombatua

Great! So what does this mean, exactly?

January 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fimatic

Once a course is built with most of its words and is released into the public, it means that the course goes into the beta stage. The Irish course went into beta around 4 months ago (and started development about 8 months ago; which is a relatively fast time to make a course stable). Once a course has graduated from beta, that pretty much means that the course is bug free and is now considered a "stable" course, so the course is now official and ready for use in all ways. Hope this helps :)

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wombatua

I know what beta means in a computerese sense. My question is what this means for Irish on Duolingo. Will there now be immersion? Does anything change? None of these entries here actually tell anyone what difference it makes to users that Irish is out of beta. That's what I want to know.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fimatic

Oh, okay- it's just more of a celebratory thing, the only substantial thing that's changing is the number of potential bugs. I think that immersion for Irish will be added in the future; it's not currently implemented.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wombatua

Right. I get the celebratory stuff - I'd just rather there be a little meat with the celebration. Great that it's out of beta - but do tell what that means for the average user. Having done a little Irish last night, from what I can tell, it doesn't mean anything.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

It means the course has less technical bugs, like features working incorrectly, and far less grammatical mistakes.

Also it is a signal that a new course may be added within a few months because staff dedicates less time to level 3 courses.

Beyond that, there is generally no difference.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GeniusJack

Yay!!! COMGHAIRDEAS!!

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Synesthete24

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/earthkissed

does it have immersion yet? that's what i've been waiting so anxiously for to sign back up for it.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

I just signed up and don't see it yet.

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fimatic

Wow, congratulations! The course is getting close to having as many learners as there are speakers of Irish on Earth- I think that this course could actually make Irish a more known and popular language, globally. Good luck to your future goals with the Irish courses! :D

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Brina431719

Congratulations, guys!

January 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sir_Alec

Starts learning Irish!

January 18, 2015
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