"Lui ed io vogliamo una birra."
Translation:He and I want a beer.
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In italian grammar you say "Io e lui" and not "lui ed io" as they wrote.
In another place in Duo Ita the inversion is there for an exercise, as it would be here if consistency prevailed.
I agree, however I believe that they just did this to showcase an instance of using ed although it has many other examples to use, perhaps I guess their aim is to remain very basic. For instance like how a preschooler speaks. Just gussing though.
On the whole 'e' is the more common version of 'and' used. However, almost always when the 'e/ed' separates two identical vowels you use 'ed' instead of 'e'. So for lui ed io it is because there is an i before and after the ed. Apart from that I'm afraid that when ed is used instead of e the best answer is 'when it sounds better'.
What about the sentence "Lei e io" duo is accepting but does not "Lei ed io"? Very confusing
Because "would like" is generally considered to be the present conditional tense in Italian. For example, the difference between "io voglio" (I want) and "io vorrei" (I would like). In this case "we would like" would be "noi vorremmo."
Man, I could not make out "vogliamo" no matter how many times I listened to it.
Agreed - the recorded voice in the Italian lessons is extremely hard to understand. I was doing some Spanish lessons and found the voice in that one to be much better and clearer. This one sounds way too robotic and unnatural.
Because in English it should be "He and I". HIM is a word that recieves action, HE is a word that creates action.
Basically it's because if you took out the 'and I' 'Him want a beer' or even 'Him wants a beer' sounds wrong.
Does anyone know why ed means a "twentieth-century artist" as well as "and"?
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Does this mean we're sharing a beer or we each want one? In English we'd use "each" to clarify, but how would you do this in Italian? "Ognuon" seems awkward.
English is not my first language but I think "lui ed io" should translate as "him and I". I could be wrong
Well, we know it is feminine because it ends with an 'a'. If you are asking why any word is masculine or feminine. I don't know if there is a particular reason.
It also is in Hebrew, probably because it ends with the feminine vowel ה' as well. Wine (Yayin) is masculine (in Hebrew). Funny think, languages.
in the explanation either 'e' or 'ed' can be used when expressing the work and...
but is saying one over the other used more with certain economic culture? for eg, would a middle class/posh person use one word over the other?
So the English rule of the first person coming second is reversed in Italian? Does it make any difference whom is paying for the beer?
Sorry? I'm not sure which rule you are talking about. He and I want a beer is the order it would be in English. I and he want a beer sounds awfully wrong.
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Grammatically, 'I and he want a beer' is correct. It sounds awfully 'wrong' only because as the original poster realizes, it is polite to put yourself second/last when you are speaking of yourself and another person or persons (Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice and I all want beers).
If you would say, 'I want a beer and he wants a beer,' then grammatically, there's nothing wrong in saying, 'I and he want a beer.' You are using the subject-form of the pronouns in both cases.
It's just not considered polite to 'put yourself first.' The reason it sounds 'awfully wrong' to you is possibly that you are either well-brought up and surrounded by well-mannered people, or well-educated and surrounded by people who are attuned to the differences between how a laborer/uneducated person speaks and how an educated person speaks. You've acquired the idiom of the educated class without knowing that there was a 'rule' involved - the rule of good manners, not of grammar.
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Ah, now I see why you were puzzled that there was a 'rule' about 'I and he' vs 'He and I.' Clearly your mother brought you up to speak well as a matter of course. As a former English instructor, I wish there were more mothers like yours.
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No, they are not. They are two different verbs, so they are grammatically different, and they are two different registers - 'would like' being more polite/formal than 'want' in this context.
They aim at the same end: getting a beer. But that does not make them the same, any more than a sword and a pistol are the same if they aim at the same end of killing an enemy.
Imagine this scenario where you are at the table with a group of people and you are speaking to the waiter who is taking your order.
So the order to the waiter could go like this :-
The lady in the red dress wants a Tequila Pop and a Marigrita. The lady in the black dress wants a Pina Colada and the guy with a bow tie wants a Martini Dry. These three ladies want a stout. This dude wants a whiskey. He and I want a beer.
It is more polite to put the ladies' request first, then the men's and lastly oneself's.
Ok, now the fun part is to make that request in Italian! Hehee
surely "he and I would like" is the polite way of saying "he and I want"???
For the record, if someone would like something it means they want it. They are just being polite and asking for it, not demanding it. To want something implies that one feels one has a "right" to it.
Ok, so I got that Italians really say "io e lui" not "lui ed io", and when to use "ed" over "e", but would I still use "vogliamo" (1st person sing.) in both cases? I know we would in Latin, but I want to be sure. Thanks!
Why don't you use 'vogliono'? It's third person right? Is it because of the 'I'? And if that is the case, is 'He and Jacob' the third person?
Yes, it's because of the "Lui et moi" Because of the "moi" That would make it the first person plural. Vogliamo. "Jacob et lui" would be third person plural. Vogliono.
Do you mean io instead of moi? And is it true that it actually should be 'Io e Lui' instead of 'Lui ed io'
Hadn't heard that rumor. Don't know (look an English sentence without and explicit subject!). If duo uses "lui ed io", I should imagine it's correct. But that doesn't mean "io e lui" isn't correct. Did you try "io e lui" and they marked it wrong?
I take what I read in here with a grain of salt. Everybody seems to have their agenda. Namely they want you to talk the way they do. Not me. I mean I advocate, but after that it's up to you. I must have some other agenda.
I got the "write what you hear" lesson. I listened in the slow mode several times and finally put "vera" because it didn't sound at all like a "b" to me. Even after seeing the answer (which had occurred to me, but I dismissed it, because "v" is what I kept hearing), I can't hear "birra." I'll go with it, though. I checked here to see if anyone else had that issue with listening, but looks like I'm the only one out on that limb. So must be my hearing.
I also see "ed" for first time.. Please, guys, explaine me why "ed" instead "e"?
Horrible use of English!!! He and I want a beer seems so unnatural and awkward.. we would probably say 'we both want a beer' or 'Mike and I want a beer'.
I translated vogliamo as "would like" and it was considered wrong. I thought it was more polite to write "would like."
I put "He and I would like a beer" and it was marked incorrect. IN the UK, 'want' is considered brusque and slightly boorish, maybe in the USA 'wanna' is normal?
I am UK English speaker and agree that 'want' is a bit crude if you are asking for something. Interestingly I was thinking about it and realised it's different if you are giving or offering something to a close friend or a child it seems perfectly reasonable to ask 'Do you want a cup of tea, do you want a beer, do you want some chocolate'. It is more formal and respectful to ask 'would you like' so we would probably say "Would you like...beer/chocolate/cup of tea?".
You have still not correct this despite repeated complaints. I gave a viable translation of what was there in the Italian.
"Him and I want a beer." is not correct? Have I been saying this incorrectly in English for my entire life? Has anyone else made this mistake?
Pardon, but.... we want "A BEER"? Seriously? And no one comments on that? It should be "... want BEER", we don't use the "A" article with uncountable nouns. You can say "a can of beer/ a glass of beer" but you CAN'T say "a beer", as you can't say "a milk" or "a water". Correct the mistake, it's elementary school grammar
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Hello, I am going to comment on that.
Don't you say "A coffee, please." to a waiter, meaning a (cup of) coffee? It is a colloquial expression, isn't it?
Do you personally never say "A beer, please", meaning a (usually long glass of) beer or a (bottle of) beer or a (jug of) beer?
You say you can't say "A beer", but I would say I can say it, meaning not the uncountable beer you are referring to, but a countable glass or bottle of beer.
My concern is if they will get a beer or two, as I have already commented on the Italian sentence above.
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What does this Italian sentence actually and really mean?
Do they (both he and I ) want one beer to drink together?
Are they going to share this one beer?
Or does it mean that each will get a bear of his?
In other words, he will get his beer and I will get mine?
Will the waiter bring one beer or two beers to their table? What do you think?
I wonder how they are going to order to the waiter: "Una birra, per favore!"?
I was getting stuck on my conjugation of "to want" and when I googled it, most websites suggested it should be voliamo rather than vogliamo. Anyone know why voliamo would be wrong here?
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This is some of the worst pronunciation I've heard so far on this app using this child's voice
The animation that I had was the kid. Then when I got it right he had a sip of his drink and burped. Classic.
