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"She had earned nothing." which sounds very natural is not accepted. It should be. In English, negation is often expressed that way!
They wont change it i reported so many times they took away my report privelegies
It should be either "She had not earned anything" or "She had earned nothing."
You left out the "not." Nada translates to nothing, but no translates to not. Basically, you left out a word and that's why it was marked wrong. As to the reflexive, I'm not sure on that myself.
Changing the anything to the use of the word nothing is the same as using a negative before the verb. If you wish to translate word-for-word, Duolingo is the place for you., but languages don't behave that way. The DL programmers need to add this as another possible answer. But in a year's time, the staff has been putting out larger fires.
From what I understand (from getting this wrong before) it is because the verb 'ganar' means 'to win' or 'to gain', whereas 'ganarse' means 'to earn'...I'm guessing that this is because when you have earned something, it is as a result of your own actions. Hopefully someone can give you a better informed answer soon, but for the time being, that's my take on it :)
In Spanish, you use the reflexive when the indirect object (the part of the sentence telling to whom or for whom) is the subject. It is implied that she had not won anything for herself, so the reflexive is used.
I think that this is because when the verb 'ganar' is reflexive, it means 'earned', and not 'won' or 'gain' like it can without this.
According to Spanishdict.com, ganarse can mean to earn or to win, e.g.
ha sabido ganarse el afecto de todos = she has managed to win everyone's affection
In fact, on another question in this lesson, Duolingo uses "ganarse" to mean "to win": "Él se había ganado un premio" Duolingo translates as "He had won a prize."
The question then is, if ganarse can mean "to earn" and "to win", can it also mean "to gain"? Personally, I see these as splitting hairs and virtually synonymous (i.e. "to gain" is somewhere between the definition of "to win" and "to earn" in many cases), though others may disagree.
So to me, it seems not valid to say that "Ella no se había ganado nada" cannot mean "She had not gained anything", and I've reported it to Duolingo.
Nice reply, and you're right, there is not a massive difference between win, gain and earn so "She had not gained anything" is probably OK.
The hint lists all 3 options for the reflexive form:
se había ganado
(I/he/she/it/you) had gained
(I/he/she/it/you) had earned
(I/he/she/it/you) had won
If 'gained' is wrong, it should not be listed. I chose 'gained' because it's the first choice, and was marked wrong yet again (March 2015).
Something similar happened to me with another question in this lesson, for 'demostrado'. The hints listed "showed, proven, demonstrated". I chose the first one, 'shown', and was marked wrong.
DL is very confused on this - on an example two examples ago it rejected "ganarse" for "earned" and simply used "ganar" ( ie rejected SE habia ganado) but in this example it DOES use " SE habia ganado" for (had) earned.....AND in the posting above swingophelia says DL is using "ganarse" for "win"??
I had thought that "ganarse" was "earn" and "ganar" was "win/gain" but now am very confused but it looks like they are interchangeable??
Sorry, I still don't get it. Why is this reflexive, but the answer to the previous question "Ella había ganado más dinero" = "She had earned more money" is not?
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I would also like to know this, I put "Ella se habia ganado mas dinero" for that question and the se was crossed out. It doesn't seem to be very consistent.
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I'm not sure that this is reflexive, but rather a clarification that it's a she, not a he, who won/earned/gained.
"Ella" is the subject, which is obviously feminine.
"Se" can never clarify gender because it can mean himself, herself, themselves, and itself when it is used in the reflexive form; him/her/them/it when used as an indirect object; and one/they when used in the passive voice; among other things, I'm sure.
'She had not earned herself anything.' I wouldn't have bothered including 'herself' if the 'se' Wasn't there. I would have thought if you dropped 'se' it would just be 'She had not earned anything.' Anyway... boooo!
She had not earned anything herself. Why is this less correct than whithout ”Herself“? Reported
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Lucky, I totally agree! If Duo did not want the word se included, why was it in the sentence? I think Duo is playing with our brains!
I'd also like to know if, "She had earned herself nothing" should be accepted for "Ella no se había ganado nada."
Earnt is really archaic and is not in most dictionaries. Earned is what is used instead.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤! Just because 'the net' is heavily biased toward American users, does not mean it is not or should not be used. Sadly, I notice this week that yoghurt is now spelt the American way in Tesco
so far I used to think similarly: win = ganar; acquire = ganarse; achieve = lograr; succeed = lograrse. But now I'm not even by far sure.
Would "She had not gotten herself anything" be an acceptable translation?
So in Spanish I gather double negatives are not only okay but the rule? Because "I had not won nothing" would be incorrect in English.
I'm very fluent in Spanish, but I have always wondered if it is OK, because I think "Ella se ganó nada" is also correct...
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In my experience, [Ella se ganó nada] is not correct.
There must be a negation to the left of the verb, in this case no: Ella no se ganó nada.
Negation: studyspanish.com (Grammar Unit Two).
To answer this, as I learned in my small amount of formal education in Spanish, always use double negatives. Unlike English, where a double negative actually makes a positive sentence, you should use a double negative unless using the word nunca or jamás.
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Deborah, "hi" from the USA. Some of those Aussie sayings were a real hoot! Regarding several verbs ending in "-nt" suggested in this thread for past tenses, the only one used commonly HERE is "burnt," for example, burnt toast.
The study someone provided, showing use of that style of verb to be at a mere .05% worldwide, wouldn't raise any expectation for Duo to recognize it, though it's fine to use regionally.
Let me be clear before I say the next part; I am from the "Deep South," and in casual talk or joking with friends, I may say, "Ain't you got no manners?" or, "Didn't yo' mama teach you nuthin?" But even we no longer use the archaic style of "learnt" for real conversation, because no matter how smart we are, people from anywhere else think we sound ignorant speaking that way.
There used to be a TV show with Andy Griffith and Gomer Pyle depicting "hillbillies," or people now mostly called "rednecks," who had VERY deep-South accents unchanged by mingling with other regions, and they would use ALL of the ones mentioned farther up the thread.
I think it's interesting linguistically that those are heard commonly in street lingo in big cities in the North, although the northerners or city folks would NOT like their speech compared to that of southern "rednecks"! ;<)
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Neither was 'She had won nothing'. IMHO She hadn't won/earned anything is the same as the above. Oh well.
I think you're confusing some vocabulary here: win = ganar; acquire = ganarse; achieve = lograr; succeed = lograrse.
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SpanishDict.com gives as translation for all three - win, gain, earn as ganar. I am thinking of a situation in which someone has said sarcastically about another's behaviour, " She has not gained herself anything!" ie She has behaved like an idiot and lost her friends' regard for her... so I agree that achieve could have been used but my phrasing is perfectly normal within my circle. But I think you have supplied the answer anyway, that in Spanish you would use lograr or lograrse.
It looks like you can use either "ganar" or "ganarse" because they both mean the same thing. Is that correct?
ganar means "to win" (like a game or a contest or a race, or a prize, the lottery, etc.) and also "to earn." The reflexive use means "to earn one's living" or, obviously, to earn something by the subject's own efforts. But you can use that meaing non-reflexively, too: Gana un buen sueldo. (He--or she--earns a good wage.)
If you translated, "Ella no se había ganado nada." to mean "She had earned nothing", you would be okay. But, if you said, "She had not earned nothing", I think it would probably not be a great idea to accept it because, even though it would be understood, it is normally not acceptable to say a double negative in English.
She had not won anything. Worked so dont think the ganado part is the issue its you need the not and anything part.
