https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HaruHoshi

What about Breton and Britanny?

Demat everyone :)

I'm on Duo for some months now and as you've all noticed, we can learn Irish, a celtic language, so what about the native language of my country, Breton? (Brezhoneg) Everybody here in Britanny speak French (because France forced us to since they had us invaded), but a lot of us still speak the celtic language in family context, my boyfriend for example ! There is also TV channels, newspapers, books, TV series, which are still in Breton, and even Diwan Schools (bilingual French/Breton) and everything where I'm from is written both in Breton and French, so it's absolutely not a dead language :) Sadly in my family we don't speak it anymore for 2 generations, I just know some words/expressions from my mother and I would be SO glad if we could learn it on Duo ! Don't hesitate to look for informations about Breton, it ressembles Welsh a lot and it's a really beautiful language, and our culture is vivid and very, very different from the French one, more close to the Scottish/Irish/Welsh etc ones than the French actually ! Here is our anthem, the Bro gozh ma zadoù :3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT34lBdVgls

Kenavo and Breizh dieub :)

January 24, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

I believe that all the Celtic languages should surely get a place here on Duolingo so that folks of Celtic blood can keep their languages alive.

You need to find some people who are willing to create and moderate a Breton course.

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConorHoughton

It would also be cool to have Brittany's other language - Gallo; it would be so interesting to be able to learn a little of, and to compare, the multiple regional languages of France, Spain and Italy. Of course, even with the incubator mechanism, it must take a lot of time to add languages and there are so many!

I wonder if they have considered a category of "short tree" languages, with only a dozen skills or so, like "exhibition sports" at the Olympics, as a way to gather a community around small languages on the site before building a full tree. I guess the problem is that the fixed cost of showing people how to use the incubator tools is still the same, whether they are to do a full tree or a short one, however, I imagine they are gradually streamlining and automating that.

Another mystery is how that is to be monetized, I guess there are lots of people who would like to learn Breton but far fewer who speak Breton and want to learn French, which means the immersion won't translate in the useful direction.

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HaruHoshi

I think learning Gallo from English would be difficult, because that would require to speak at least a bit of French to understand. I do speak Gallo and so do my grandparents and my father, but none of us would know how to teach it :/ (my father's family is from the east part of Britanny and my mother's from the west part) but your idea of "mini courses" sounds great, that would be very interesting !

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ErinAndW

Funny you mentioned the idea of short trees, because Navajo and Hawaiian were just released like that! Foreshadowing in real life!

October 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rewjeo
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I would love to see Breton on here. Personally, I'm actually more interested in learning Welsh and Scottish Gaelic (on account of my British heritage) but it's my understanding that Breton has been struggling more than the other Celtic languages (on account of the French government having some absurd idea about linguistic purity in France, as though there are not a huge number of diverse languages native to legally French soil) and I would love for it to get any shot at surviving it can.

I mean, the French government really crapped on Breton. It went from over a million speakers in the 1950s (it was for a very long time the healthiest of the Celtic languages) to only 2-300,000 come the 21st century, a sizable majority of whom were senior citizens, and only ~30,000 of whom actually used the language. There are revival efforts now, but that to me is a terrifying decline of a language and culture that I would love to see turned back as much as possible.

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

Please apply on the incubator only then is there a vote to make breton a possible.. either English to Breton (open to over 1 billion people) or French to Breton

May 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/deguo

I'm sure people would love to learn Breton if enough contributors can be gathered and it eventually reaches the Incubator. France is one of the only European countries not to give rights to speakers of minority languages, meaning France's indigenous languages are in a lot of danger.

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HaruHoshi

France had in the past no consideration for our culture and language. For example, when my grandfather (who had Breton as his mothertongue) was in school, there was in the rules "forbidden to speak Breton and to spit out on the floor". It was just lately that France realised the mystake and decided to rehabilitate Breton/Gallo and to promote our culture, but it was too late, Breton had widely disappeared as a mothertongue /: Today we try to revive it the more we can because us in Britanny love our country and our traditions :)

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Meiriona

I am a little bit late with my comment sorry... it has been the same for us in Belgium with Walloon - just forbidden... unfortunately, we find it very hard to give life again to our local language without a proper sense of the culture it was carrying :-( - that seems to be easier for the celtic languages, even if it took time to find their way, they did it !

I am going to learn Walloon just because I do not want it to die - but also Breton :-)

June 5, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Frederik81

Well maybe your BF wants to contribute making a Breton course?

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HaruHoshi

Maybe his mother would like to do it, I will ask her the next time I see her ;)

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Azure_Waters

I think Breton would be a lovely addition (: I don't know why but I have such an affinity for celtic languages. We need to make sure that we keep these wonderful languages alive!!

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MySecrecy

I totally agree with you. I don't know where it is coming from but something tells me to learn every celtic language existing. I'd love to be able to study and hopefully learn Breton on duolingo.

July 11, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vandesnieder

I'd love that. I'm learning Breton at Memrise, but I really miss the audio.

January 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Yuger1

I hope they will add Breton as soon as possible:)

If they want to add Tamazight language, i would like to help, i am an Amazigh and i speak it. The Amazighs are the indigenous people of North Africa, or what we call Tamazgha. with a population exceeding 30 million in what is now Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Algeria, Mali, Morocco, Niger, the Canary Islands and Siwa oasis in Egypt.

The Amazighs are also known by the name “Berbers”, which derives from the Roman term for “barbarian”, a name given to anyone who did not speak Latin.

January 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gruamaire

barbarians for the win

November 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Azais

Hey, I just wrote a post on breton, with a presentation of the language + ressource links. Everyone one interested can add links there : https://www.duolingo.com/comment/7542040$comment_id=7549471

March 15, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AngeCelte.g10

Demat! I can't wait myself for a Breton course. Maybe from French, it would be great. I can learn from English, like I do for Welsh now, bit still. I love Welsh, as every other celtic languages, but Breton is more near me. I am not, I am from Québec, Canada, but I have a remote Breton branch in my family tree, and my fiancé's are nearer: his grand father was breton, from Vannes I think. Here in Québec I know there is a little Breton diaspora, I saw a show of breton and gallo music and we even were thought some dances. So this interest me a lot! Also, for the very few words of Breton I know, I can already see it is close to Welsh, with "amser"-"amzer" for exemple. Since I wish to learn loads of different languages, I thought that learning them by families might help me.

So, following this discussion and hoping to see a class someday! :D

Kenavo!

May 5, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arthfoel

This the language I would like to learn the most next. I'm from Wales and our Saints and ancient scholars are the same as most of the Breton and Cornish Saints and ancient scholars. Our ancient folklore and the Breton folklore come from the same roots. My town in Wales has a road sign pointing to Locminé (Breton: Logunec'h) in Morbihan.

Ideally I would like it focussed on one of the dialects, but any route in would be good. A lot of the materials for learning Breton are from French and I would like a version from English (or even from Welsh), but if a French to Breton version was available, then I would work a bit harder on getting my French up to scratch.

In my understanding the Breton and Cornish languages are like Brothers and Sisters, while Welsh would be a first or second cousin - if you can count to twenty in Welsh, then it takes about a minute to learn the slight differences in Cornish and Breton. Irish and the Goedelic celtic languages are more distant relatives, who speak with the same constructions, but have moved that much further apart over time.

July 15, 2016

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    Yes, Cornish and Breton are very closely related. The two communities remained connected culturally and economically well after the Bretons were forced to the European continent up until more modern times when English colonization of Cornwall supplanted much of the native Cornish culture and language. Unfortunately, the Cornish language was poorly documented, and when it technically died out, there was not enough records to reconstruct the language in entirety. So they turned to Breton to help fill in the gaps. There are some notable differences between Breton and Cornish--Breton has been influenced by French is ways Cornish never was--but yes, the relation between is very strong.

    I studied Breton before I started Welsh and it is has made it easier. I think Welsh is overall an easier language to learn than Breton, but I think knowing a little one will definitely help with the other.

    And yes, most resources for Breton are French language resources. There just isn't much interest in Breton outside of France right now.

    July 24, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KungKras

    I vote for breton :)

    March 3, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erwancaer

    What about breton on Duolingo so ? Any news ? I don't see that language in the incubator for the moment. Anyone knows more about it ? Thanks

    May 9, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tazi387704

    I also vote for Breton!

    July 15, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    I speak Welsh and have also learnt Irish, Breton and Scottish Gaelic. Duolingo Irish has realy helped and there are nearly 200,000 learning Welsh on Duolngo now too. Chans mad da'r vrezhonegerion. PS I only get a 6 on my welsh flag as i am looking at it as a teacher not a pupil Petroc ap Seisyllt

    June 16, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erwancaer

    "chañs vat d'ar vrezhonegerien(/vrezhonegerion)" mod-se e vez lavaret Petroc2. "chañs" zo benel, neuze ez eus ur c'hemmadur dre vlotaat (m->v). Kavet e vez kemmadurioù en holl yezhoù keltiek me 'gav din./// that's how we write petroc2. "chañs" is feminine, so we change the first letter (mad-> vat) as we do in all celtic languages. It's nice of you to wish good luck to breton speakers :)

    April 29, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    evel boazh ar geriou 'estren' zo gourel e Kembraek.... Met chans zo benel e kembraek ivez ... siawns dda da=mat dda=vat

    May 4, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erwancaer

    Ar frazenn skrivet ganeoc'h a oa e brezhoneg, 'gav din, ne vern penaos e vez lâret e Kembraeg rak ne vez ket cheñchet reizh ar gerioù pa vez tremenet d'ur yezh d'eben... N'eo ket gwall sklaer an afer-mañ, ne ra forzh 'vat !

    May 4, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheSpeakingEagle

    Os gwelwch yn dda!

    October 9, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ethnocontinuo

    I'd really like to make this happen once I'm a bit more advanced in Breton (either as a course for English speakers or for French speakers). Any native speakers here like HaruHoshi interested in building a course with me?

    August 9, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zikalify

    upvoted

    February 25, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leafhuntress

    From all the celtic languages Brezhoneg is the one i want to learn the most. Please Duolingo add this endangered language, it would mean so much!

    February 17, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/buunny

    Are Brittany and Irish languages close in linguistic terms, like do they share a family?

    January 25, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rewjeo
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    Irish and Breton are both Celtic languages, but in different branches within that group. Irish is a Goidelic language, like Scottish Gaelic and Manx, and Breton is Brythonic, like Welsh and Cornish.

    January 25, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    They are as close as German and French to each other! ie two seperate branches of the celtic languages at least 3000 years apart. Welsh ad Breton are much closer separated 1500 years ago.

    June 16, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DiaouligRuz

    Me a vefe prest da sikour treiñ Duolingo e Brezhoneg ;) I would be happy to help translating Duolingo in Breton ;)

    March 3, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EvdogMusic

    Please apply on the incubator ^_^

    March 6, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DiaouligRuz

    I did it several times, but no answer so far...

    April 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gruamaire

    can you contact Duolingo? just wondering

    November 29, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HerrArbo

    Post about this on the French Duolingo forum too, if there is one.

    May 4, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Meiriona

    I vote for Breton

    May 5, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnCatDubh

    I’m all for it, it could complement the Welsh course nicely and help out a moribund language. Question though: how will the rhotics be pronounced? Traditional alveolar or common velar?

    July 5, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas_

    I would love to see Breton too!

    March 6, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Adele290429

    I vote for Breton!

    March 7, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Durellion

    Breton and all the Celtic languages will one day be on DuoLingo. We just need people who can create the course.

    April 27, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DiaouligRuz

    There are a lot of them actually! It is always a pain for speakers of minority languages in France to have their language included because they are not taken seriously. Since our languages are recognised by no one, webmasters are always very reluctant to add our languages. Take Facebook, for instance: it took such a long time before we could convince them to add Breton, and once this was done, the interface was translated in a record amount of time! Nowadays it is the turn of Duolingo and Twitter to make us wait for ages... There are very competent and motivated people who would be more than happy to contribute to Duolingo. For that, we just need to convince the right person to press the right button ;)

    April 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Durellion

    I just contacted the Celtic League about creating teams to develop courses for Breton and other Celtic languages. We'll see what they say.

    April 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vikqueen

    I am in love with the Celtic languages. Out of the modern six, Breton is the most intriguing. Plus that French twist makes it sound like no other!

    June 26, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erwancaer

    french twist ? what do you mean ?

    June 27, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vikqueen

    The influence of French on the language.

    June 27, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erwancaer

    Most part of breton speakers are not "twisted". Among those who have learned the language recently there are some, you're right, but it's seen as un uggly way of speaking. Not "sexy" at all ! °°°°°°°°°° Ne c'hallez ket lâret e vez klevet levezon ar galleg 'ba beg an holl. E-touez ar re o deus desket n'eus ket pell zo ya, e c'hall bezañ, hogen divalav da vat eo an doare-se da gomz 'vit ar vrezhonegerien. N'emañ ket pinvidigezh hor yezh 'ba levezon ar galleg...

    June 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arthfoel

    It doesn't look like your English and Breton are translations of each other. I've been having a bit of fun trying to see if I could guess the translation of your message, but I have no knowledge of Breton and it isn't something Google translate can help me with - we definanetly need a Duolingo course. I've been trying to guess Welsh equivalents for the words:

    Lâret - ???

    Klevet - Clywed - to hear? Holl - holl - all/everything? Desket - Dysgu - to learn? pell - pell - far/distance

    C'hallez? - Cael or Gallu? Ne c'hallez ket - I can't/I don't get???

    divalav - difalio - something like ruin or not looking after yourself?

    da - da yezh - Iaith

    I'm guessing galleg is gaulish or French and vrezhonegerien is Breton/breizhoneig

    Since Vikqueen asked about the influence of French - I guess levezon ar galleg, means influence of French?

    June 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DiaouligRuz

    By the way, the translation of Erwancaer's message would be something like: "You cannot say that the influence of the French language can be heard in everybody's way to speak. Among the people who have learnt it recently maybe, but this way to speak is ugly for Breton speakers. The richness of our language does not originate from the influence of the French language."

    June 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DiaouligRuz

    That's it more or less ;) Just a small mistake, "desket" is the past participle of the verb "deskiñ", which indeed means "to learn". For those who would be interested, here is an online English-Breton dictionary: https://glosbe.com/en/br

    June 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vikqueen

    That makes sense. In many languages having a strong non-native accent is unappealing. I'm still enamored with this language! Thank you guys for your information.

    July 7, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erwancaer

    DiaouligRuz is right ! Thanks a lot and sorry my breton is far better than my english...

    Arthfoel : lâret = lavaret/lavarout = to say (infinitive here but "lavaret" is also a past participle). Well done in any case ! Desket e vo buan ar yezh ganit !/You'll learn breton quickly !

    June 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arthfoel

    Trugarez vras//merci vras/diolch yn fawr i ti a Diaoulig Ruz.

    Yes I really would like to learn Breton/Llydaweg. We are celtic cousins and I realise that there are big differences, but so much similarities.

    June 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Durellion

    Breton would be a wonderful addition. I think it, and all the other smaller languages of the world, deserve their place on DuoLingo.

    January 16, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vasi_vega

    +1

    March 11, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Karibu_safi_Safi

    I am french, with family living in Bretagne, so I would LOVE to learn Breton !!!

    April 26, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Charles61094

    Breton, but also Gallo and Norman are considered to be endangered by the Unesco, Duolingo would be a good way to save them from extinction (it worked for Esperanto, which isn't even a "real language")

    September 24, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LouisKG

    Still widely spoken within Breton, great addition to the app.

    December 2, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shoouyx

    I vote for Breton! Either from French or English, but I would love to see it on this website! I wish I could contribute to the making of the course.

    December 28, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    Brezhoneg from English would be fabulous

    April 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AmazeBalls8

    We really need all of the celtic sources here

    May 16, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    Brao tre e vo da lenn a selout ar Brezhoneg war Duolingo. Posibl e vo dre ar Galleg pe ar Saozneg ( yezh brasoc’h Duolingo) hag sur a walc’h ez eus kalz a Gembregerien, Skosed hag Iwerzhoneger dedenet en hor yezh.

    May 19, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    Dont forget to make comments in the french “francophone forum” too

    May 19, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tee433930

    I vote for Breton also. It is what brought me to Duolingo. I decided to learn French in the meantime. I plan on visiting Brittany and would like to be familiar with the native language also. Thanks!

    June 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Keli648680

    It would be interesting to have Breton course in French and English. I began learning it five years ago in an association and it's a nice language. I'm not enought fluent to help, I think but it would be so nice.

    August 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ColtenRobi1

    I know this is a dumb question but how do i go to the incubator?

    August 8, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Petroc2

    search duolingo incubator. it should show up

    April 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Delorme.

    Kenavo

    January 9, 2019
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