"L'estate è per i giovani."
Translation:The summer is for the youth.
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Agreed. I think what is being said here is that since summer is when school breaks occur, it is especially enjoyed by younger people.
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The real question is why don't school breaks occur in Spring or Autumn, When it's nice out?
School breaks occur in Summer because it's so hot it's hard to be in class.
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"The summer is for the young" works, and actually sounds more natural in English. (Native English speaker.)
According to my dictionary it should work:
i giovani = the youth, the young people, the young, the young ones, the youngsters
I wrote "The summer is for the young ones" which was incorrect according to duo
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Report this, because when the meaning of the word "one" is modified by an adjective, then that word combination together functions as a noun/pronoun with particular properties. In Engish grammar, this is called narrowing the meaning. That is why you'll sometimes hear the verb "narrows" substituted for "modifies," as in "The adjective 'young' is narrowing the meaning of the pronoun 'one.' "
Talk about age discrimination! I guess I'm stuck with winter ... though I refuse to spend it in Florida!
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Be careful of what you loathe! Some people who live in Florida were "shipped" there against their will, and I'm not talking about slavery.
Absolutely. The DL sentence would never be said by any native English speaker I've ever met!
Yup. That's what I wrote (luckily it was accepted) and I came to this page to see if others agreed with me. Our sentence is better than theirs!
[British] I'd say "for the young ones" or "for the young" [rather patronising] but not "for the youth" as that would mean for the young man (singular).
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Not exclusively. Oxford dictionaries include a definition "young people considered as a group." http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/youth
"The summer is for the young" would be the usual English translation. "The youth" usually refers to a single young male person and not to young people in general.
No one would EVER use 'the youth' in this context in English. One might say, 'the youth of the country were up in revolt'. In this sentence, it's totally and utterly wrong. Either 'the young' or 'young people' would be an acceptable translation. NB I am a UK English speaker and a professional translator (from French)...
You'd never say '..for the youth' in English except in the very unlikely situation where you had a particular young (male) person in mind. Surely it should be Summer is for the young. No?
Is "l'estate è per il giovane" also correct, or would that be referring to a specific young person?
Not really English. "Summer is for the young." Two errors in six words!
To quote George Bernard Shaw, who gets credit for it, It is "a pity that youth is wasted on the young."
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I think you're missing the point, Sam56525. Because "estate" is an uncountable Italian noun, it uses "il." See
https://www.academia.edu/18215698/Scoprendo_litaliano_An_Accessible_Guide_to_Learning_Italian
https://www.thoughtco.com/italian-indefinite-articles-4092996
I was marked wrong for translating "i giovani" as "the young". This is a correct translation unlike DL using "the youth". I have never ever heard anyone say "the youth" in the past 70 years. It is not an English expression that would ever be used in England, I can't speak for America.
Any ideas on why "for the children" would not be an appropriate translation?
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You're opening up a real can of worms here. That would be either bambini (although that is more of a translation for babies) or ragazzi (which also translates with boys as we learned earlier).
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"Youth" is an English noun that encompasses several different meanings, such as youngsters, pre-adolescents, children, teenagers, and preteens. "Children" is an English noun that encompasses several different meanings, such as babies, infants, preteens, adolescents, and teenagers. Obviously, it' s a sliding scale with overlaps. Babies, infants, and tots, however, are generally all considered to be under the age of five.
Yes, that should work. I answered, "The summer is for the kids." Doesn't 'children' mean 'kids'?
CoolStuffYT: Children & Kids are roughly synonymous -- so far, so good. But the Italian "i giovani' means "young people" and depending on the age of the speaker, an elderly person for example, "young people" could be well over the age of children or kids. So given the Italian, I don't believe "kids" or "children' would be acceptable.
That may be true, but 'i Giovani' also means youth. Youth means kids/children. Also, I think Children & Kids are synonymous because according to Thesaurus.com, "Child" is synonymous to "Kid".
CoolStuffYT, I agreed above that children and kids are synonymous. I have no issue with that. Youths on the other hand are not children or kids, they're older young people, teens perhaps who'd I'm sure would resent anyone referring to them as children. In its meaning as "the young", again as I said it's a relative term and for many the term could refer to people in their 20s, 30s, and older who certainly don't qualify as children or kids.
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CoolStuffYT, are you looking at it from a native Italian speaker's head, or from the viewpoint of a native English speaker?
HI Mike
I agreed with aasiempre on kids, so I should agree with 'children', too. Mind you, you can be young, you can be a kid, without actually being a child. I guess being young isn't always about years. (Please tell me that's true.)
Dunno why they marked you down for your comment. Very strange. Have one back. :)
I too tried "Children" and it hit me. Aside from being a grown man who LOVES Summer, I think "Children" should be accepted.
As someone new to Italian it seems that the article is usually- not always- translated- but in colloquial American English I think more people would say "Summer is for the youth, the children , whatever without the initial " The:. DL marked it wrong.
More than one and a half years later, it still doesn't work. 10/3/17 (3Oct17)
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In English, the textbook definition of "kids" is "young goats." However, "kids" is a slang expression that means "children," and this slang is frequently used colloquially. This being said, "kids" is not used in formal, legal, or scientific writing/speech, except in the dialogue that occurs in creative writing and literature.
"for the youth" in English sounds stilted. Should not be an alternate translation.
It is an awful English translation. Yes, "young" instead of "youth" is better.
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I tried the summer is for the young ones but it was rejected. Who says "The summer is for the youth"??
I thought that DL had changed "youth" for "youngster". No still the same using words that would rarely ever be used in real life.
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Someone should tell duolingo that this is poor English. No-one would say "for the youth". If it just came up once it would be bad enough but it seems to be their favourite sentence at the mo.
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"Young'uns" is a somewhat common term denoting children, Or young people in general (Hence the etymology, "Young One"), And I feel it should be accepted as a translation of "Giovani".
that has been said, probably many times before - but DL is deaf (or blind) to good sense!
why is youth plural and not singular. La gioventu sounds like singular to me.
No - you need the article "the" -- summer is for the young -- to make it correct.
It surprises me that no one in the comments seem familiar with this saying! Well, it doesn't matter. Summer 2020 seems to be for nobody at this rate
I've seen a lot of phrases on duo that look like publicity or interviews. Who else notices it?
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What a crazy statement . Summer is for everyone . Wake up and smell the roses . Holy Mother . Agist statement .