"Con chi sei?"

Translation:Whom are you with?

August 5, 2013

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with whom are you? is ok too, right?


Yes, 'with whom' is grammatically correct english :-)


It's correct for now but people will stop using it later on, and it will be invalidated like Shakespearean grammar for the purposes of modern writing.


it's not very colloquial; we start questions with question words: interrogatives or auxiliaries.


No native English speaker would EVER say "Whom are you with"


They might say "with whom are you?" though. But more likely they will say "who are you with?" which sounds less stuffy. I once read from a writer giving advice to would-be writers saying, "Don't make your characters use perfect grammar unless you want them to sound like a stuffed shirt."


Every English speaker should learn when to use formal, informal and idiomatic forms of the language. Your first example would be formal, but I would say "You are with whom?". The inflection would indicate the interrogative. The second example is ungrammatical but idiomatic. Dialogue in a novel would not have to adhere to all the grammar rules, obviously.


Some would. Whom has fallen out of general usage, so mostly it's English teachers and grammar nazis who use it in everyday conversation, and even then it's more often "with whom", but "whom are you with" is correct and is occasionally used.


This site is for people who are also studying proper English. Why denigrate a person for actually knowing grammar by calling them Nazis?


Good question! This discussion overlaps a lot of finicky and complicated issues, most of which I'm not super qualified to discuss, so here's a(n incomplete) explanation:

First: "Whom are you with" is not English I would ever teach to a learner. It's awkward and sounds wrong, as HaroldWonham pointed out (because it's not following the rules of any variety of modern vernacular english).

While me-of-today might not use the term "nazi" as casually as me-of-two-years-ago, (and my opinions of whether victorian-era usages still count as "correct" have changed too,) "grammar nazi" is and was a pretty casual term for people who a)constantly point out "incorrect" usage in situations where they were not asked to do so, or b) insist on following a set of grammar rules that don't actually match modern english usage (e.g. telling people to never split infinitives). Basically, disregarding that language evolves and that grammar textbooks describe correct usage rather than dictate it.

Basically, it's people who use "grammar" to jump on other people's perceived mistakes to make themselves seem "better" somehow.

Now, there's a lot of politics surrounding what is and is not "correct" English, and people who get called GNs tend to enforce (somewhat outdated) rules of the most upper-class varieties of English on people who are using... less-privileged varieties. (It's largely a classism and racism thing, but I'm sure there are other -isms it could be used to enforce.)

Here's an example: Did you notice up there where I used singular "them" instead of "he/she"? "Them" is 100% used in conversation, but some English teachers might insist on "he/she" because that's what they were taught. Here's a gap between what sounds right and what the textbooks might say.

tl;dr correct modern usage and the textbooks occasionally disagree, and people who feel entitled to push the textbooks' rules on others are being jerks and pedants.


It is not correct to say "Whom are you WITH." You do not end a sentence with a preposition. Most English-speaking people don't even know their own language.


Did you read any of the other comments in this thread.


Actually, I'll make it even easier. Here you go: http://bfy.tw/A7Eo


So, both of your replies just kind of condescendingly ignore the fact that you are super wrong. Like, did you click the link? It might not have been the nicest way to present information but that doesn't make the information incorrect.

The rules you keep citing are not correct for current English.

1) "Whom" is no longer in everyday use. "You stabbed WHO?" is just as valid a question as "You stabbed WHOM?".

2) Sentences can now be (and always have been) ended with prepositions.


Making things "easy" is part of the problem with today's society...especially where our schools are concerned.


Since it is the object you should use 'whom' in English for this sentence.


i know several families that did--mine included; the next generation does not, but they learned from TV.


We have this annoying rule in English that we never end a clause with a preposition. Few people actually observe this in daily speech. Winston Churchill best criticized thus rule when he said, "This is the kind of stuff up with which I shall not put."


That's actually a common misconception (unfortunately purported by many misguided English teachers), which simply isn't true. Not only is it not observed--it's not even a real rule. It (and the similar situation of starting a sentence with a coordinating conjunction) is actually a rule from Latin which died away in the language's transition to German.

In German, ending sentences with prepositions became the basis of an extremely important grammatical feature (verbs with separable prefixes, for all you German aficionados out there), and the rule faded.

English is not directly Latin but instead passed through being German first, and thus we inherit many properties from mama German. One of these is that, unlike Latin, a preposition is something a sentence can be ended with. ;)

The more you know!


Also we have a lot of Latin-via-French, which is responsible for a lot of the weird spellings.


Latin doesn't transition to German. Latin became the Romance languages. Germanic became German, Anglo-Saxon-->English, Plattdeutsch, Dutch, etc. Latin was the accepted language for too long, and some people tried to make it the model for everybody else.


We don't actually have such a rule. Some guy made it up from thin air because Latin or something, and then everyone got scared because someone said it was a rule, but of course it's just nonsense - it never was a rule in the first place.


There are to verbs: essere and stare that in English become To be. I did not understand the question " Con chi sei " because did not make any sense to me, since you can say " Con chi stai ". Why sei is used in this sentence and not Stai?.


Perhaps it is talking about relationships, one's partner. "Stai" would definitely work better for someone you are temporarily sharing company with, but when it comes to a long term partner "Sei" would be better.


Okay, so the general word order for questions like this in Italian is: Preposition, then question word (who, what, when...), then subject (can be omitted), then verb. Am I correct to assume this for all questions that involve a "question word"? (for lack of a better term)


Yeah, but few people would say it.


They would in England!!!!


Omg, calm down Brit boy XDD


'with whom are you' is correct using Dutch grammer, 'whom are you with' isn't, but this doesn't matter because this is English and no Dutch.


a few lessons back, sei was always she and when I used you I got dinged. Now it's you and I get dinged for she. Would you please show some consistency!


I think you are confusing "sei" with "lei"


That is easily done, I sometimes confuse them myself


Can you retake the placement quiz after you are into the language?


No, but you can take a test at the checkpoints, which will open more skills for you (depending on the results)


Why "whom"? Isn't that form used only in accusative?


I have never heard someone say whom are you with, they say who are you with.


"Whom are you with" is the grammatically correct English. "Who are you with" is actually grammatically incorrect slang. But most people aren't grammatically correct when they speak. That's true of native speakers of any language. Strictly correct grammar sounds stilted when you're speaking casually.


When the majority of the people speak "ungrammatically" in the same manner, they are the ones who are correct, not the grammar books.


why is the sentence constructed as it is - I know you should not translate directly (with who are you) but it feels clunky. Is this how it would be said in Italian today?


i put with whom are you with? it said it was wrong


One of the "with"s is redundant. "With whom are you" and "Whom are you with" both should have been accepted.


Who are you with? OR With whom are you?


Well, whom are you with is grammatically correct. It sounds pretentious, but a lot of people would argue that it is "more correct" than who are you with. It's actually a relic of applying too much logic to what is "correct" and what is "incorrect" when speaking English.


That is the right answer.


"Whom are you with?" is accepted, but "Whom are with you?" isn't. I can't see exactly why.


Try thinking of who and whom as he and him. where "he" will fit, "who" will be correct. He is my friend. Who is my friend. Where "him' will sound right, "whom" will sound right. You're going with him? You're going with whom? I have found that the easiest way to keep it straight


For anyone tripped up with word order like me, just remember that the preposition always has to proceed its object, and that the word order from statement to question doesn't change, it's just in the inflection.


Is it also acceptable to say 'Chi sei con?'


The structure is similar to my native language


As a native English speaker over 50 , I have never heard whom used in either context.


I would like to know how to turn off the notes to me saying I am losing ground with other people etc., etc., I had some old pretentious schoolmarm type bawl me out by telling me not to ask questions that have already been asked. So now I do not post questions anymore. I am not in this for competition. I am just trying to acclimate myself to the language again. I do do it everyday but resent it when the system tells me I am falling behind, etc., etc...How do I turn those notices off?


To my ear, the pronunciation sounded very much like .....Come ti sei

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